What others cases interest you as much as JBR's?

[eileenhawkeye]

I have never been able to get too invested in cases whose the threads move extremely fast. The only exception was Hailey Dunn, and it was very tiring. Sometimes I don't even notice a case until its on its 5th page, and it's hard to figure out what is going on. If you google the victim's name, all you get is a bunch of articles in random order. And everyone is using acronyms, which makes it even more hard to follow. I'll 'check in' but I don't post much on those cases. I like the JBR forum because it's pretty active, yet relaxed. It's not moving at 500 MPH, yet it doesn't go days without any posts.

 

[BBB167893]

To be honest, no case interests me as much as this one, because I believe that this case is symbolic of the terrible turn our justice system has taken since the Warren Court decisions of the 1960s and of what is worse yet to come.

I think it's symbolic of how money and experts-for-hire have poisoned the justice system and how the rich are able to manipulate their way out of trouble.

I think it's symbolic of how much control lawyers have over the process and how they are allowed to manipulate its workings so ruthlessly with no regard for the consequences.

And I think it's symbolic of how firmly the wrong ideas and attitudes have taken hold.

 

[runsdeep]

cases in which the "stories" just dont add up. it angers me that people get away with literally murder by a legal system that needs more proof than obsurd excuses. and the ones who do end up being convicted took so many years, more than a decade.

JFK, OJ, susan smith, diane whatsername in seattle, jeff macdonald, JBR, darlie routier, caylee, susan powell, jacque waller. can get interested in most any case if am exposed to the details. and not a murder case, but truddi chase.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I honestly couldn't tell you much of anything about most cases posted on WS, even the active ones. In most of them, I have no idea who the suspects are, or how exactly the victim went missing. JonBenet, Caylee, and Kyron are the only cases where I can go on their forums and not feel completely lost. I don't watch NG, so maybe that's a big part of why I'm so clueless about a lot of them.

 

[M.James]

As interested as I am/have been in the case of JonBenet, sometimes I need to back away from it (and others) to keep a rational view. I've even stopped reading books right in the middle, then a few months later will read a page or two. The information begins to circle itself when there's still much more to learn. I try to listen with an outsider's perspective, unprejudiced and new, but the disc starts to skip again.
Out of 100% of the information floating around the net, I've probably only read about 30% (maybe); not enough. I need to talk/read about other things until JonBenet can sneak up on me again.

I'm interested in many other cases. Sometimes I make replies, sometimes I just read and watch:
Caylee Anthony
Darlie Routier
Cheshire murders (trials)
Diane Downs (I've never even searched to find if she has a page of her own here.)

Way too many to mention. I've listed very few,
as I've read and remembered many through the years, and long before accidentally landing here.
Several of my fellow writers from a site which I've been a member of for more than a decade have written about serial killers and/or mysteries. I'd tried a couple of times with Susan Smith, Mary Bell, ?. I just can't separate myself enough from the crime to gain the experience needed to write properly about the case. (I'm a bit of a crybaby, too.)
The mystery in my own family is what landed me here. I'd never heard of this place before doing a search on my father, who disappeared in '87. I was only looking for information on him then, not searching for him.
But, what a Eureka moment.

 

[Junebug99]

Julie Rhea Harper is another one, to think that mother sat in prison all those years for killing her son breaks my heart. Prime example of police incompetency.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Is anyone following the Lisa Irwin case? I have seen a few similarities to the Ramsey case:

1.) Lisa's parents gave a list of nine suspects to LE who they believe could have kidnapped their daughter. John, Patsy, and even Nedra had a big list of people who may have been the intruder.

2.) LE announced that the Irwins stopped cooperating. We're not sure what exactly that means at this point, but we know the Ramseys didn't cooperate by not speaking to LE for 4 months.

3.) LE announced that the Irwins had stopped cooperating in a press conference, just like the Boulder LE announced that the Ramseys were under an umbrella of suspicion in a press conference. For whatever reason, LE in those cases wanted the public to know where they stood with the parents.

4.) In Lisa's case, the cell phones were missing from the house. It is very hinky, and people start to wonder why an intruder would take the cell phones. Now if the parents are involved, it's possible that they got rid of the cell phones to purposely create a hinky situation. It reminds me of the RN note in the Ramsey case, since I believe it was written by Patsy, to give the situation a "WTH" sort of element. Like you spend all your time thinking what the RN means or the missing cell phones that you don't realize that it's not what it seems.

5.) Also this one is reaching...but LE in Lisa's case said that the parents have "intimate knowledge" of what went on in that house. And JAR said he believes that whoever killed JBR had "intimate knowledge" of his family and how they lived down to day.

It will be interested in seeing if Lisa's parents continue talking to the media but stopping talking to LE.

 

[runsdeep]

Is anyone following the Lisa Irwin case? I have seen a few similarities to the Ramsey case:

1.) Lisa's parents gave a list of nine suspects to LE who they believe could have kidnapped their daughter. John, Patsy, and even Nedra had a big list of people who may have been the intruder.

2.) LE announced that the Irwins stopped cooperating. We're not sure what exactly that means at this point, but we know the Ramseys didn't cooperate by not speaking to LE for 4 months.

3.) LE announced that the Irwins had stopped cooperating in a press conference, just like the Boulder LE announced that the Ramseys were under an umbrella of suspicion in a press conference. For whatever reason, LE in those cases wanted the public to know where they stood with the parents.

4.) In Lisa's case, the cell phones were missing from the house. It is very hinky, and people start to wonder why an intruder would take the cell phones. Now if the parents are involved, it's possible that they got rid of the cell phones to purposely create a hinky situation. It reminds me of the RN note in the Ramsey case, since I believe it was written by Patsy, to give the situation a "WTH" sort of element. Like you spend all your time thinking what the RN means or the missing cell phones that you don't realize that it's not what it seems.

5.) Also this one is reaching...but LE in Lisa's case said that the parents have "intimate knowledge" of what went on in that house. And JAR said he believes that whoever killed JBR had "intimate knowledge" of his family and how they lived down to day.

It will be interested in seeing if Lisa's parents continue talking to the media but stopping talking to LE.

i have yet to see anything other than still pics of the parents. were their "tearful pleas" like susan smith's?

 

[runsdeep]

Is anyone following the Lisa Irwin case? I have seen a few similarities to the Ramsey case:

1.) Lisa's parents gave a list of nine suspects to LE who they believe could have kidnapped their daughter. John, Patsy, and even Nedra had a big list of people who may have been the intruder.

2.) LE announced that the Irwins stopped cooperating. We're not sure what exactly that means at this point, but we know the Ramseys didn't cooperate by not speaking to LE for 4 months.

3.) LE announced that the Irwins had stopped cooperating in a press conference, just like the Boulder LE announced that the Ramseys were under an umbrella of suspicion in a press conference. For whatever reason, LE in those cases wanted the public to know where they stood with the parents.

4.) In Lisa's case, the cell phones were missing from the house. It is very hinky, and people start to wonder why an intruder would take the cell phones. Now if the parents are involved, it's possible that they got rid of the cell phones to purposely create a hinky situation. It reminds me of the RN note in the Ramsey case, since I believe it was written by Patsy, to give the situation a "WTH" sort of element. Like you spend all your time thinking what the RN means or the missing cell phones that you don't realize that it's not what it seems.

5.) Also this one is reaching...but LE in Lisa's case said that the parents have "intimate knowledge" of what went on in that house. And JAR said he believes that whoever killed JBR had "intimate knowledge" of his family and how they lived down to day.

It will be interested in seeing if Lisa's parents continue talking to the media but stopping talking to LE.

let me take a guess..."she was never missing, she drowned"

 

[eileenhawkeye]

i have yet to see anything other than still pics of the parents. were their "tearful pleas" like susan smith's?

I haven't watched any of the TV appearances by the parents, but according to the comments on Lisa's thread, the dad was stoic while the mom was very emotional.

Another similarity between the two cases is that there was a lot of discussion about what the parties involved were wearing when they went to bed and the following morning.

Someone on Lisa's thread even pointed out that if the parents are involved, the crime scene seemed "overstaged"---a word we've used a lot to describe the Ramsey case.

And in both cases, the parents stopped talking to LE but kept talking to the media.

I would imagine that parents who accidentally kill their child, and then cover it up, would act pretty similar to one another. The two cases remind me so much of each other. I believe that the Ramseys got away with murder because they had money, connections, and lived in a county where cases were very, very rarely taken to trial. It's much different in the Irwin case, so if the parents are involved, it will be interested in seeing how it plays out.

For example, LE has come out and said that Lisa's mom made a call on her cell phone at 2:30 AM. In the Ramsey case, the cell phone records for December were lost. Just an example of how having connections can help...

 

[Alix]

The Sabrina Aisenberg case has me very interested, but I can't find the original facts on the case that made the police so sure that the parents were involved. I've only seen this on one TV show that was obviously biased.

Personally, Marlene made me very nervous. Don't we have any threads here about Sabrina? I used the search function and didn't find any devoted to her.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Here is a link to Sabrina's thread:

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8632"]FL FL - Sabrina Aisenberg, 5 months, Valrico, 24 Nov 1997 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

 

[Alix]

Here is a link to Sabrina's thread:

FL FL - Sabrina Aisenberg, 5 months, Valrico, 24 Nov 1997 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Thank you very much!!

 

[eileenhawkeye]

More similarities...

1.) In both cases, the parents never went back into the home.
2.) In both cases, the parents pointed at a window as being a possible entry.
3.) In both cases, the intruder's persona just doesn't work. An intruder who writes a RN talking about dad's business and then sexually assaults and murder a child in the basement? An intruder who kidnap a baby and steals cell phones?

Someone on Lisa's thread even brought up the possibility that her older brothers may have accidentally dropped her on her head; just like in the Ramsey, we have speculated that Burke could have caused the head bash.

 

[ShadyLadySleuth]

There are similarities in JBR and Madeline McCain cases. In each, parents under intense scrutiny, in both, parents in upper tier of income, in each, young white girl. In each case huge media interest. And, both cases remain unsolved.

 

[BBB167893]

I haven't watched any of the TV appearances by the parents, but according to the comments on Lisa's thread, the dad was stoic while the mom was very emotional.

Another similarity between the two cases is that there was a lot of discussion about what the parties involved were wearing when they went to bed and the following morning.

Someone on Lisa's thread even pointed out that if the parents are involved, the crime scene seemed "overstaged"---a word we've used a lot to describe the Ramsey case.

And in both cases, the parents stopped talking to LE but kept talking to the media.

I would imagine that parents who accidentally kill their child, and then cover it up, would act pretty similar to one another. The two cases remind me so much of each other. I believe that the Ramseys got away with murder because they had money, connections, and lived in a county where cases were very, very rarely taken to trial. It's much different in the Irwin case, so if the parents are involved, it will be interested in seeing how it plays out.

For example, LE has come out and said that Lisa's mom made a call on her cell phone at 2:30 AM. In the Ramsey case, the cell phone records for December were lost. Just an example of how having connections can help...

Folks, ever since this one broke, I've fought like hell NOT to think the unthinkable here. And until something happens to set it in concrete one way or another, I will remain silent.

But I will say this: if it turns out to be the unthinkable, I wonder what IDI will say.

 

[slug]

been spending a lot of time reading the lisa irwin case and following the jo yates trial.
to begin with the lisa case it looked like the parents were innocent but theres lots of things that don't add up.

 

[SheRa]

The JBR case interests me because of the sheer "baffling-ness" of the mystery involved. To me, this is the ultimate whodunit because it seems impossible for an intruder to have done it, and yet extremely unlikely that the parents did it, either. It's just completely bizarre!

At the other end of the socioeconomic spectrum, the Haleigh Cummings case interests me for much the same reasons. In this case, though, you know that the killer(s) is probably from a certain group of people, but it seems like we will never know exactly who did it, why they did it, and how they did it. Also highly bizarre...

Other cases with that extremely high "baffling" factor:

-Disappearance of Ray Gricar
-Disappearance of McStay family
-Disappearance of Maura Murray
-St. Louis Jane Doe found in 1982(?)

 

[Limaes]

The JBR case is one of the main cases I've been intrigued with. To tell you the truth, I don't think JBR is any more or less important than any other person who has been killed. I think the thing is, she was just a baby and wasn't even safe on Christmas Day in her own home while her family were present.

Another case that I have followed over the years is a little known case about the disappearance of Thomas Stump, a 40 yr old male. His mother has passed on now but she was put through such misery over the years after his disapperance by the people she suspected was responsible. I found his story here: http://www.realcrimes.com/Stump/Tom_Stump.htm

 

[KarenUK]

I don't really "follow" any other cases like I've followed this one (read all but one of the books - I can't bring myself to pay money for DOI).
I'm hugely interested in an unsolved case of a girl the same age as me from my small town who was murdered - but unlike this case there is very little public information available and sadly she seems to have been forgotten by all but us local to the area.