What really happened

[Donjeta]

Ron's lack of comment on the gun story doesn't mean the story is true any more that it means that the story is not true. It just means that he didn't comment on it. And I'm not saying it didn't happen. To understand the story, we would need some details: when did this happen, exactly? what was the context for Ron's alleged remarks? What did Tim Miller say before and after? What did Ron say before and after? My point is that this incident, if it happened, was part of a larger interaction, a private interaction. We don't know the whole context or even when it happened. We have one side of a story made public to a blogger on the internet, who doesn't have even the most minimal obligation to contact the other individual in the story. Even the worst tabloid will make the call and say, "Mr. X had no comment."

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You're right, the gun story may or may not be true but IF it's true I have a really hard time envisioning a context or anything that Tim Miller might have said before or afterwards to make it all right.

Even if TM did a wrong thing or a stupid thing arranging Misty's stay with Donna or making his gun story public, it still doesn't make it okay for anybody else to make threats, especially not in front of a child.

 

[Whisperer]

Ron turned 25 in October. He was 24 when he began dating Misty.

Something tells me that stat rape charges are NOT high on the PCSO's "to-do" list. Look at NayNay's baby's father. NayNay is 19 now. D.S. her daughter's father is 48. I don't remember how old the child is, but I believe NayNay was a minor when the child was born. This man is NOT in jail and still walking free. Clearly, LE in PC doesn't place stat rape as a priority. IMO, Ron was in no danger of being arrested for dating Misty, and even if charges WERE filed, he never would have served 22 years for dating Misty who was almost 17 years old. There is a close in age exemption in FL, and these two were borderline on that exemption. Does it make it right? Nope, but there's no way he'd have served the time YOU are claiming he would have - if any. IMO.

You are correct about PCSO not usually caring....BUT it would have been an issue due to the public disgusts at his bedding a minor. Haleigh disappearing cast dispersions on Ron Cummings and his sleeping with a child. Eventually the public would call for his head on a platter. He was over 24 and she was younger than 17....check out the statistics. He would and should be in prison..IMO.

Being over 24 and her younger than 17 is MAJOR pedophilia. He would be in prison for a very long time.

Anyone recall the previous case with Misty ....that 16 yr old boy got eight years. Ron would have received at leas 2 to 3 times that amount of time at minimum.

 

[Whisperer]

Once again to be clear. Ron Cummings turns 26 this month. He was 25 when Misty was still 16...last November.

 

[curvecuti]

Pittsburgirl, when I say public, he was not alone, he had TM and his son there in the room if the reports are true. This is a terrible thing whether you understand that or not.

I made a mistake, Jr. is not his youngest child, I just wanted to correct that, I forgot for a few moments.

And I can only rely on my personal feelings about Ron contacting Misty to let her know of DB's intentions. It has the appearance of evil and a grieving father who was desperate to find his child would be praying for a break in the case and his child to be returned, not ratting out any person who was trying to help in that end. I stand by my first statement, this is fishy. There is no excuse.

Jr. most certainly is his youngest child, unless you have seen DNA results on another that I am unaware of.

 

[curvecuti]

Asking again, can I please get the link to this footage? TIA!

Bumping my post again. I am going to go ahead and make the assumption that NO ACTUAL FOOTAGE of this exists and it has been fabricated.

 

[Donjeta]

Jr. most certainly is his youngest child, unless you have seen DNA results on another that I am unaware of.

How is that certain? There are plenty of children who have never had a DNA test taken but that doesn't mean that they may not be someone's youngest child nevertheless.

His wife seems to have thought that Jr is not his youngest child.

 

[curvecuti]

How is that certain? There are plenty of children who have never had a DNA test taken but that doesn't mean that they may not be someone's youngest child nevertheless.

His wife seems to have thought that Jr is not his youngest child.

There are plenty of children who's paternity has never been questioned, that doesn't mean the man that is called Daddy is their biological Father. As far as anyone knows for certain, Jr. is RC's youngest child. His wife and anyone else can think whatever they want, there is NO PROOF Amber's child belongs to Ron because she refuses to have a DNA test. Pretty plain and simple to me.

 

[debs]

Bumping my post again. I am going to go ahead and make the assumption that NO ACTUAL FOOTAGE of this exists and it has been fabricated.

This is on the initial police report narrative.......... http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/missing_haleigh_police_report_021609

 

[curvecuti]

Thanks deb, I had read that, but it was stated there was news camera footage of it, and I haven't seen that.

 

[debs]

Then it was mis-stated. But an officer wrote the narrative.

 

[Kat]

Wait a sec...brainstorm here..that is why he is going for divorce instead of annulment. If he filed annulment that would mean the marriage did not exist; therefore, make him eligible for arrest.....hmmmm.

Whisperer I'm not familiar with FL statute on divorce and this morning I don't have time to go look it up I'm sorry.

In another state, I was briefly married back in my very early 20's.


I am sharing this only because I am curious as to if FL divorce law is close to the state in which I had an early failed marriage ~ in that ~ we only cohabitated for one month ~ there was no record of our cohabitation (bills in both names, record of address together etc...) and we were not able to file for an annulment but had to go with a divorce. Because we had lived together for one month.

Another question? In the other state, (which I am very aware states have different laws) another reason we were discouraged from annulment is that that particular state (back in the early 1980's) really only did annulments when it was needed for religious purposes (neither of us were Catholic).

I'm just curious. Trying to sort this out in my head for now.

 

[Donjeta]

There are plenty of children who's paternity has never been questioned, that doesn't mean the man that is called Daddy is their biological Father. As far as anyone knows for certain, Jr. is RC's youngest child. His wife and anyone else can think whatever they want, there is NO PROOF Amber's child belongs to Ron because she refuses to have a DNA test. Pretty plain and simple to me.

Maybe so but that's not what your earlier post means. It means there's no possibility that Ron has a child younger than Jr.

 

[kamky]

I think it's possible that Ron had, for the first time, some feedback on how his lifestyle looked to people outside his own circle, particularly his relationship with a girl under 18. He can't be unaware of how many people see him and the others involved in this case. It may be that he understood that his living with a young girl out of wedlock would be a continuing distraction from the search for Haleigh, which depends in part on media interest in the child. Certainly, parents who make a good impression get better treatment in the media.

Regarding the question above posed by Baznme as to whether Miller was actually involved in the road rage/undercover with Misty incident: Miller's attorney on NG confirms his involvement. I agree with you that his organization usually does not do this sort of crazy stuff. He's done good work; let's hope that this is a one-time problem.

bbm

Yes, I hope so too. TM and TES do a wonderful job with their search efforts. IMO, they are better than anyone else at this type of effort. I know this must be very stressful on TM and this may be the reason for him getting emotional and saying something publically that should have been left unsaid.

I do think the road range incident escalated because of the supposed victim taking advantage of the situation. However, Tim Miller should have said nothing at all other than a brief confirmation that DB was a member of TES. Misty was aware of this already. If TM had kept his mouth shut, it would have gone a long way towards diffusing this situation. He knows he has a tendency to overreact and say things he shouldn't, and has been quoted as saying "Don’t tell me details so I don’t let anything out that might hurt the case.”

 

[curvecuti]

Maybe so but that's not what your earlier post means. It means there's no possibility that Ron has a child younger than Jr.

Really, I didn't realize I said there was "no possibilty".

 

[Donjeta]

Really, I didn't realize I said there was "no possibilty".

That's what "Jr. most certainly is his youngest child" means. If there is a possibility of another, it is not certain that he's the youngest.

 

[curvecuti]

That's what "Jr. most certainly is his youngest child" means. If there is a possibility of another, it is not certain that he's the youngest.

Ok, and that is true, UNLESS, there is DNA to show differently.

 

[debs]

Ok, and that is true, UNLESS, there is DNA to show differently.

Reporter: "Do you have any other children?"

Ronald Cummings: "Maybe."

 

[curvecuti]

Reporter: "Do you have any other children?"

Ronald Cummings: "Maybe."

My point exactly. Thanks!

 

[kant]

Originally Posted by curvecuti

Can I get the link for that please, I have not seen anything like that. TIA!

Originally Posted by curvecuti

Asking again, can I please get the link to this footage? TIA!

Bumping my post again. I am going to go ahead and make the assumption that NO ACTUAL FOOTAGE of this exists and it has been fabricated.

The link is probably in the links thread.

If there had been no tests taken to confirm Ron's fathering this child, Jordan, then how can he be within his legal rights to try to grab this child away from his grandmother?

IIRC and unless I'm mistaken, if the parents are not married, and there is no custody order or judgment, then the biological mother of the child is presumed to have full legal custody of the child. Florida Statute §744.301. An unwed father does not have a right to legal custody without a court order.

Also, it's my understanding that Misty was babysitting Amber and Ron's son, Jordon, when she met Ron. Iow, that's how Misty met Ron in the first place.


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[debs]

The link is probably in the links thread.

If there had been no tests taken to confirm Ron's fathering this child, Jordan, then how can he be within his legal rights to try to grab this child away from his grandmother?

IIRC, if the parents are not married, and there is no custody order or judgment, then the biological mother of the child is presumed to have full legal custody of the child. Florida Statute §744.301. An unwed father does not have a right to legal custody without a court order.

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.......which is why, when Ronald Cummings took the children on a mini-vacay and never returned them, it should have been treated as a kidnapping. In fact, Ronald has never taken a paternity test for Haleigh and Jr. It was presumed.