What Shirt Was JB Wearing When She Was Killed?

[Nehemiah]

The autopsy report. Meyer describes them on page 4. Last paragraph. It is the 'cloth hair tie which is listed in the evidence taken from the body as being black/red/white. http://www.acandyrose.com/12271996jonbenet04.gif

PR's statement was in one of her many pages of depos. I don't save every one. If I come across it I'll post the link. She was being questioned about the odd hairstyle, and being shown photos of the White's. Of course, we've never seen those photos.

Thank you.

 

[beetrue]

It's a costume, not an outfit. Our daughter's have costumes every year for their dance recitals -and they do not wear them to parties or for the holidays.

Deedee's link has the pictures of JB in her white gap shirt. I remember seeing those photos a long time ago -in the documents.

indeed,thx so much Deedee!!!
Is it indeed odd she would say she'd stopped to wash a stain out of it,seeing as it was red and was surely a holiday outfit,and the Christmas was over,as far as that night goes(?) seems she was trying to either account for something being on the outfit,or for herself being in that area.we know BR's knife was in the cabinet there,though.

 

[madeleine]

What if she was wearing the nightgown that was found in the basement with blood on it.(she was redressed in the basement)
If she was awake when they arrived home like I suspect would it have been normal to put her to bed in the same clothes(shirt) she wore at the party?IMO no.

 

[Sophie]

Madeleine, I was thinking about that the other day. My daughter who is about JBR's age fell asleep in the car coming home and my husband carried her up to bed. I was going to put her PJs on but decided it would be impossible to do without waking her up so I left her in her little undies since it was just one night and happens so infrequently.

I know everyone's different but I can't help thinking that parents of a zonked out child would just take the outerwear off - especially if the bedroom was stuffy, as I believe JBR's was......

 

[DeeDee249]

Madeleine, I was thinking about that the other day. My daughter who is about JBR's age fell asleep in the car coming home and my husband carried her up to bed. I was going to put her PJs on but decided it would be impossible to do without waking her up so I left her in her little undies since it was just one night and happens so infrequently.

I know everyone's different but I can't help thinking that parents of a zonked out child would just take the outerwear off - especially if the bedroom was stuffy, as I believe JBR's was......

Certainly easier. But it really isn't that difficult to pull off pants and pull up soft longjohns on a sleeping kid either. I've done it both ways. If you have a child who doesn't keep the covers on, I'd probably chance pulling on pajama bottoms of some type. And what was the big deal if she woke up anyway? It's not like waking an infant, where they might not go back to sleep. A sleepy child of 6 will go back to sleep once they are in their comfy bed. I think she was awake when she came home and walked into the house like BR said. I think her parent(s) changed her into the longohns because she was probably sleepy and the white sweatshirt she wore was comfy enough to sleep in. No need to change out of it. So the way she was found is the way her parents last saw her. The only bugaboo is the panties- those she was clearly redressed in. Something happened to cause the vaginal bleeding (that the autopsy saw evidence of being wiped from her thighs and pubic area). And because there was no blood on the longjohns, she wasn't wearing them when that injury occurred.

 

[madeleine]

Anyway,she had a mother and a housekeeper.Why was her room so messy.The bed ,everything.Looks like there were 5 kids living there not one.

 

[DeeDee249]

Anyway,she had a mother and a housekeeper.Why was her room so messy.The bed ,everything.Looks like there were 5 kids living there not one.

According to many sources, the Rs were a messy family. Patsy's own mother Nedra used to criticize her all the time for it, saying that the housekeeper would be able to clean better if she wasn't spending so much time picking up the place.

To be fair- they were planning to leave early the morning after Christmas for their trip to Charlevoix. I am sure many of us might have clothes strewn around a bedroom from packing.
But no way I'd let my kid sleep in a bed that untidy.

 

[Theonly1]

Isn't it ironic that JBR was "redressed" in the white shirt that she allegedly threw a fit because she wanted to wear earlier that day? I suppose she got her way in death. Who would have known this information? An intruder? Nope.

 

[madeleine]

JonBenet may not have been wearing anything when she was killed!

She may have been redressed and placed into bed wearing the Red Turtleneck to hide the signs of her obvious asphyxiation?

Later this was judged not to be a clever idea, so the staging was revised, which may have included relocation of the crime-scene to the basement?
I suspect that the Red Turtleneck did play a part, simply because Patsy factors it in, and she did not need to, imo it was part of a prior scenario, this is probably why Patsy gets mixed up between the red and white shirts.

Interesting though, thats two incongruous pieces of clothing e.g. Red Turtleneck, size-12 underwear.

We know they are there, just not what there intended purpose was?


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@bold
Very interesting!
I always had doubts re JB being killed in the basement.
I've never seen a crime scene like this,such a crime and no blood anywhere,except a few drops.
Would have been helpful in establishing where exactly she was killed.
Did LE ever test if any of the rooms in the house were cleaned up?

 

[DeeDee249]

@bold
Very interesting!
I always had doubts re JB being killed in the basement.
I've never seen a crime scene like this,such a crime and no blood anywhere,except a few drops.
Would have been helpful in establishing where exactly she was killed.
Did LE ever test if any of the rooms in the house were cleaned up?

I don't think any other rooms in the house were tested with fluoroscopes except for JBs room.

 

[madeleine]

I don't think any other rooms in the house were tested with fluoroscopes except for JBs room.

Unbelievable.
I wish they tested the bathroom.And the basement of course.

 

[BBB167893]

@bold
Very interesting!
I always had doubts re JB being killed in the basement.
I've never seen a crime scene like this,such a crime and no blood anywhere,except a few drops.
Would have been helpful in establishing where exactly she was killed.
Did LE ever test if any of the rooms in the house were cleaned up?

I've often thought she was killed outside the basement.

I would imagine they did. They used luminol on a few places.

 

[Ames]

Anyway,she had a mother and a housekeeper.Why was her room so messy.The bed ,everything.Looks like there were 5 kids living there not one.

The housekeeper said that they didn't even own not ONE laundry basket. With all of that money that they had...they just threw their clothes on the floor. JB and Burke, just learned from Patsy...she did the same thing. John seemed like a neater guy...but, if he didn't have a laundry basket, or hamper (according to LHP, he didn't)..then he would have had to have thrown his dirty clothes on the floor also. If you don't own a hamper...then there is no place else to put your clothes..except on the floor.

 

[Ames]

Certainly easier. But it really isn't that difficult to pull off pants and pull up soft longjohns on a sleeping kid either. I've done it both ways. If you have a child who doesn't keep the covers on, I'd probably chance pulling on pajama bottoms of some type. And what was the big deal if she woke up anyway? It's not like waking an infant, where they might not go back to sleep. A sleepy child of 6 will go back to sleep once they are in their comfy bed. I think she was awake when she came home and walked into the house like BR said. I think her parent(s) changed her into the longohns because she was probably sleepy and the white sweatshirt she wore was comfy enough to sleep in. No need to change out of it. So the way she was found is the way her parents last saw her. The only bugaboo is the panties- those she was clearly redressed in. Something happened to cause the vaginal bleeding (that the autopsy saw evidence of being wiped from her thighs and pubic area). And because there was no blood on the longjohns, she wasn't wearing them when that injury occurred.

But that doesn't explain why Patsy intially said...that she put JB to bed wearing the red turtleneck, and then changed her story..and it was the red turtleneck that was found balled up on the bathroom counter. (In my opinion, the bathroom counter seems more like a place that Patsy would have put clothes...(remember, she is the one that told Haney that she put her clothes on the side of the tub, if she was planning on wearing them again the next day)...I believe that if JB had of taken off that turtleneck...for one, she would have had to have had help...considering how tight those things are. A six year old wouldn't have been able to remove it by herself...and for another thing, JB ...imo..would have thrown it on the floor (like MY daughter does).

 

[Ames]

Unbelievable.
I wish they tested the bathroom.And the basement of course.

I wished that they had of done ALOT of things....that they didn't do.

 

[Ames]

It's a costume, not an outfit. Our daughter's have costumes every year for their dance recitals -and they do not wear them to parties or for the holidays.

Deedee's link has the pictures of JB in her white gap shirt. I remember seeing those photos a long time ago -in the documents.

Right! Why would someone wash a stain out of a costume, that is never going to be worn again....and soak it on the night before leaving for a long trip? That made no sense to me at all. Patsy had way, WAY too many things to worry about...like packing, etc....than to worry about a little stain in a Christmas dance costume, that JB would never wear again, because the next christmas, it would have been too small. Why take so much time on that stupid stain? Weird...

 

[DeeDee249]

Right! Why would someone wash a stain out of a costume, that is never going to be worn again....and soak it on the night before leaving for a long trip? That made no sense to me at all. Patsy had way, WAY too many things to worry about...like packing, etc....than to worry about a little stain in a Christmas dance costume, that JB would never wear again, because the next christmas, it would have been too small. Why take so much time on that stupid stain? Weird...

Being the obsessive type that she was, it isn't surprising that Patsy would obsess about a stain on one of JB's costumes. Though she had a million little details before the trip, she is exactly the type of woman to not leave it (a stained garment) till she got home again. Even if JB wasn't going to wear it the next year, I am sure she had ALL of her costumes and pageant outfits preserved. (For the future Miss America's museum, maybe?)

 

[Rdw1981]

I have not read the entire thread, so I will apologize upfront if I have. Said anything repeated.

I believe without a doubt she was wearing the red turtleneck either just prior to her death (I mean moments before) or during her death. My reasoning for this is based on the following:

1. The balled up turtleneck by the bathroom sink shows possible hastiness in getting it out of the way.

2. Patsy's reaction to seeing a picture of the turtleneck

3. Patsy's story switching about what Jon Benet was wearing to bed

4. During the police integration with Patsy she stated that her and Jon Benet argued about what to wear to the party. Pasty wanted them to "match" both wearing red turtlenecks, but JBR wanted to wear something. Could this have tried Patsy to the point where when JBR possible wet the bed that that was the final straw?

 

[UKGuy]

But that doesn't explain why Patsy intially said...that she put JB to bed wearing the red turtleneck, and then changed her story..and it was the red turtleneck that was found balled up on the bathroom counter. (In my opinion, the bathroom counter seems more like a place that Patsy would have put clothes...(remember, she is the one that told Haney that she put her clothes on the side of the tub, if she was planning on wearing them again the next day)...I believe that if JB had of taken off that turtleneck...for one, she would have had to have had help...considering how tight those things are. A six year old wouldn't have been able to remove it by herself...and for another thing, JB ...imo..would have thrown it on the floor (like MY daughter does).

Ames,
OK, but we all know what Patsy said. But why was the turtleneck relevant to Patsy, but not to JonBenet?


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[Agatha_C]

Ames,
OK, but we all know what Patsy said. But why was the turtleneck relevant to Patsy, but not to JonBenet?


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UK, I know I'm not Ames but I have an opinion I thought to share while we wait for Ames to reply...

IMHO, the relevance of that turtleneck is what it represented and that was yet another rejection in a long line of rejections from JBR (the my twin doll for one!!!).

UK, its believed by some experts that JBR was strangled prior to the head bash and garrote, what are the odds that the turtleneck was the first weapon used? That would make it extremely relevant wouldnt you say????