What small foreign faction?

Nah. This never happened. JR wasn't even from the south, why would they say that. Its junk.

Could you be more specific, HOTYH? What never happened?

What does RDI have to show for 14 years besides intruder DNA and ill-gotten gains from trash books slandering good people who were already victimized?

Just to add on to my comment about the real victim, let me ask you, HOTYH: what have YOU got? I'm deadly serious. The case is back in the hands of the police, the person who pardoned the Rs is out of power permanently, the new man refuses to state that they're cleared in public, and the only member of IDI's travelling medicine show with ANY credibility whatsoever (although he certainly worked hard at ruining that) is dead.
 
President Bush on Friday said, "It is hard to believe that a country would foster abduction. It's hard for Americans to imagine that a leader of any country would encourage the abduction of a young child. It's a heartless country that would separate loved ones, and yet that's exactly what happened to this mom as a result of the actions of North Korea."

http://www.szone.us/f25/president-m...ctors-family-members-japanese-abducted-b-491/

Another incident:

On November 15, 1977, 13 year-old Megumi Yokota disappeared without a trace while on her way home from school. Twenty years later a newspaper revealed she was abducted by North Korean operatives and was still in North Korea. Megumi and at least 13 others were taken from coastal cities in Japan during the 1970s and 80s, shoved into holding cells on spy vessels, and shipped off to North Korea to train agents in Japanese culture and customs. The perpetrators of the Korean Air Flight 858 bombing in 1987 posed as Japanese nationals thanks to such training.

Amazon.com: North Korea Kidnapped My Daughter (9781934287446): Sakie Yokota: Books: Reviews, Prices & more

Confirmed kidnapping of a 13 year old girl.

It's too bad the rest of the article isn't there. At least when I tried the link, it wasn't. Do you have any idea exactly which mother and child the President was referring to? And are you saying that the NK government would have sanctioned the kidnapping of JonBenet?

Sorry, now I see the rest of your post. This was NK abducting a Japanese child. Do you think it's possible that NK expected to kidnap JonBenet to have her train the Koreans on American culture and customs? Do you not think that if this were their plan, they would have left a note at all? Don't you think the Ramseys would have woke up the next morning and JB would have just been gone? No trace whatsoever? I hate to say this, but JonBenet would probably have been better off if that had been the plan.
 
Could you be more specific, HOTYH? What never happened?



Just to add on to my comment about the real victim, let me ask you, HOTYH: what have YOU got? I'm deadly serious. The case is back in the hands of the police, the person who pardoned the Rs is out of power permanently, the new man refuses to state that they're cleared in public, and the only member of IDI's travelling medicine show with ANY credibility whatsoever (although he certainly worked hard at ruining that) is dead.


Just to add to this, you can't even claim that no murdering parent ever wrote a phony RN anymore.
 
If you watch true crime shows,you will see that there are plenty of fake notes and messages written in an attempt to fool LE,i.e.-CYA notes and messages.They can range from typed to graffiti written on a wall,and anything in between.(Jeffrey MacDonald even wrote the word PIG in blood on the headboard of their bed).The R's fake RN was far from being a lone attempt out there in the world of crime.
 
heyya hotyh,

I was watching a fab film, 'Three Idiots', a comedy
[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3_Idiots[/ame]

and there was an interesting scene regarding the phrase "Listen Carefully".
In the film the three rascals concoct a scheme and the one lad instructs another to "Listen Carefully", as he gives instruction over the phone.
Bollywood films are peppered with English catch phrases, and phrases taken from English films.

Reminded me of the rn written by dictation over the phone to male and female subordinate theory, of long ago.
 
The Rn is telling us something about the perp. I think you are correct in your assumption of a "foreign" idea. The note writer changes styles several times, this is an effort to conceal which is actually revealing. We all perceive things from our own life experiences. Each time it changes the writer has to fall back on life experiences to know where to start again. The RN seems to have several

This person does have some knowledge of foreign matters and makes references that prove they are not that well informed-in other words it is second hand knowledge. Not life experience knowledge. He has observed others or read about the situations.

Thanks for taking the time to look at the RN rather than dismiss it as bogus. For what it's worth, I think that I know why these anomolies exist. Firstly my IDI was young, < 20, fit and full of himself. Secondly, he was a 'bad boy' who got away with many things overseas in his 'adopted' home, where he was protected from punishment, but he was US born and bred. He was still afraid of being caught in the US where he knew he would have been punished, but cocky enough to believe he could get away with it. He bolsters his courage with drugs and uses before and during the murder, and this may have been the reason why she was killed.

Person claims to be a group and phrases things like a group is involved with words like we, they, etc. The letter writer proves they are acting alone however when they say" I will call." If a group is involved the reference would have been we will call. The idea a group is not involved occurs when the writer confesses in a singular form "I". He slipped up and forgot his own cover story when writing the note. The length of note also is telling. A great deal of it deals with direct threats to JBR. The note was written to justify (in the killers head) the reason the parents are going to have a dead child. There is a need to explain things. The writer claims to have the home watched and that also is to give the illusion of a group. A group would not ever allow a writer to use the 1st person reference in a note as it would place far to much credit or blame on a single person. While using pen and pad from the home might be used by a kidnapper to lessen direct evidence tying them to crime, it is unlikely such a lengthy note would have been memorized and then written as planned. It would get shorter not longer.

The RN is most definitely an after thought to the original crime-murder.

Where he comes from factions spring up, morph, split and merge almost daily. It's a system whereby a few people will join forces to achieve an aim, supporting either a long held cultural ideal or even just for short term personal gain. In other words, total caos.


The more complicated the theory is and the more people involved the less likely it is true. Especially now 14 years later. This was a lone person and no group ever planned this or participated.

If you look carefully at the letter 'a' in the note I would say the writer was trying to disguise his writing. It changes several times from appearing like a typewritten "a" to a handwritten 'a' ( without the upward tail). The size of the 'a' is different and it even looks like they went back and added an upward curve to some of the 'a's. Writing the letter 'a" typo style is not the authors normal way of wring an 'a'. There is block print and even very messy script, shaky and slanted differently. Someone was trying to disguise their normal script and even vocabulary. I think the author used the word attache and was proud of himself as he perceived briefcase to be an American term and he was smart enough not to make that reference. He is a foreign faction remember. The word is very plainly, almost neatly written with the French ' in the proper place. They was no monitoring the house as the instructions are very hard to read and almost illegible the writing is so messy. If delivery of the money could be sped up those instructions would have been clearly written. The greed to get the money would have made sure the writer wrote legibly. There was no intent of ever collecting any money.

There was a plan to cover up and confuse.

He was educated fairly normally in the US till around his early teens when he 'went off the rails' and then also began spending time overseas almost totally unsupervised and without constraint. There was some attempt to continue his education overseas but this failed.

He is addicted to violent movies and video games and gets many of his behavioral traits from these. Where he lives is in the midst of a bloody civil war in which he has participated.

I think he spent time in the house that afternoon/evening and the note was intended to cause confusion (not mentioning which daughter). I have still not dismissed the idea that it may have been dictated to PR over the phone. I'm not sure if she was meant to be murdered or whether it was originally intended that she be kidnapped. The small amount is due to his desire to get away quickly, back overseas, so he needed the Rs to be able to get the funds in a couple of hours. The odd amounts is to pay off his 'associates', who are probably old school buddies or extended family.


This is where I have a problem with an RDI. If the parents are going to stage her body in the home they are going to look more guilty than ever if a RN is found.
The killer could have not written an RN and that would have made the parents look guilty.
If guilty and having some time to dispose of the body they are in a better position to claim their daughter was kidnapped before being murdered. The body being found at the home could not have been the plan if an RDI is true.

The whole RDI idea that the Rs wrote the note to deflect attention makes absolutely no sense, because it did exactly the opposite.

Why did the killer NEED to write an RN? What was satisfied by writing the note, what did the killer gain by doing this? I don't think after killing their daughter the killer became remorseful to the point that he didn't want the R's to be blamed so he leaves an RN to help them prove they are innocent.

The note was written from his knowledge of watching violent movies and video games and was intended to taunt the Rs. The message is there as to exactly what this is all about, and JR MUST have known, or at least found out subsequently. The threat is if you fail to support us (overseas) we can easily come over here and kidnap/kill your children. It is to do with JR's position with LM and a subsidiary of this company that works in foreign countries, manipulating the balance of power to benefit the US.

The remorse was that he realised that he had done something there that meant he would not be able to return to the US for fear of being caught. He tried to diminish it by reclothing her and covering her up, kind of showing respect in his mind.
 
If this crime had been committed by someone other than a family member, there would be no need to write a RN because there was no kidnaping (since she was left in the house) and no expectation of ransom (since they left her behind in the house).
But the RN makes sense if a family member was the perp because it was an attempt to make it look like it HAD been a kidnapping. What they didn't consider was that, with JB still in the house, the "kidnapping" would be found to be non-existent. Same thing with the ransom. NO call ever came. No ransom was ever going to be paid. Nor did the family ever expect a call would come.
 
If this crime had been committed by someone other than a family member, there would be no need to write a RN because there was no kidnaping (since she was left in the house) and no expectation of ransom (since they left her behind in the house).
But the RN makes sense if a family member was the perp because it was an attempt to make it look like it HAD been a kidnapping. What they didn't consider was that, with JB still in the house, the "kidnapping" would be found to be non-existent. Same thing with the ransom. NO call ever came. No ransom was ever going to be paid. Nor did the family ever expect a call would come.

And if it HAD been a 'family crime' then to remove and dispose of the body and then claim they awoke to find her missing, would have been a better plan. Don't write a 3 page RN in your own handwriting, on your own paper, with your own pen, leave the body in your own house, and then claim someone else did it.
 
And if it HAD been a 'family crime' then to remove and dispose of the body and then claim they awoke to find her missing, would have been a better plan. Don't write a 3 page RN in your own handwriting, on your own paper, with your own pen, leave the body in your own house, and then claim someone else did it.

Maybe some people could have done that. But these people couldn't. (dispose of her body).
 
Method to the madness, gosh, the murder of poor little Zahra Baker might provide insight.
 
Maybe some people could have done that. But these people couldn't. (dispose of her body).

We've been down this road before DD.

While you are OK with them bashing, strangling, violating her, covering up and lying, you just don't believe they would have taken the final step which would have completely separated them from the crime, because you say they wanted a 'nice corpse'. Nopey, nope, nope.
 
And if it HAD been a 'family crime' then to remove and dispose of the body and then claim they awoke to find her missing, would have been a better plan.

Yes, it would...if it had been an option.

Don't write a 3 page RN in your own handwriting, on your own paper, with your own pen, leave the body in your own house, and then claim someone else did it.

That's easy to say.
 
And if it HAD been a 'family crime' then to remove and dispose of the body and then claim they awoke to find her missing, would have been a better plan. Don't write a 3 page RN in your own handwriting, on your own paper, with your own pen, leave the body in your own house, and then claim someone else did it.

:clap::clap::clap:


One if not all of those steps is going to self-incriminate.

The whole idea that a tragic accident, on its own an explainable accident, would be then 'covered up' to appear as a capital crime, is really really remote.

It would be an explainable accident because there was no unequivocal evidence of prior abuse at the time, and even now 14 years later there is no consensus of prior abuse except here on these forums and in trashy books.
 
We've been down this road before DD.

While you are OK with them bashing, strangling, violating her, covering up and lying, you just don't believe they would have taken the final step which would have completely separated them from the crime, because you say they wanted a 'nice corpse'. Nopey, nope, nope.

It all hinges on WHY she was killed. There lies the clues as to why they would stage the body, cover up and lie, but couldn't 'dispose' of Jon Benet.

Or it could have been a stark raving politically driven Korean, who for no rhyme or reason killed JB. Hmmm which scenario makes more sense? Wait, don't answer that. It may get me timed out!
 
Method to the madness, gosh, the murder of poor little Zahra Baker might provide insight.

I was just thinking the Bakers may have learned some lessons where the Ramseys failed. Probably taught them quite a bit as a matter of fact. Of course we won't know till her body is found.
 

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