What small foreign faction?

[BBB167893]

Maybe some people could have done that. But these people couldn't. (dispose of her body).

At least one of them couldn't.

 

[azwriter]

If this crime had been committed by someone other than a family member, there would be no need to write a RN because there was no kidnaping (since she was left in the house) and no expectation of ransom (since they left her behind in the house).
But the RN makes sense if a family member was the perp because it was an attempt to make it look like it HAD been a kidnapping. What they didn't consider was that, with JB still in the house, the "kidnapping" would be found to be non-existent. Same thing with the ransom. NO call ever came. No ransom was ever going to be paid. Nor did the family ever expect a call would come.

Great post DeeDee.
There are lots of things that disturb me about this so-called ransom "letter."
But the main thing I see is that in a "real" ransom note one of the most important instructions would be to spell out or be very detailed on how and when the kidnappers would contact the parents in order to put an exchange: ransom money for the return of the child.

In this ransom "letter" very little attention is paid to that detail. In fact the way it's written "we will contact you tomorrow" is quite confusing since the ransom "letter" is not dated.

Which tomorrow are the kidnappers refering to? The day after Christmas, or the day after the "letter" is discovered and read?

Look at the details in the ransom "letter" that goes into just preparing the ransom money, right down to the denominations of the bills and what the money should be placed in first, then moved to a paper bag.

Plus the details of threats of what will happen to the child if the parents try to contact LE for help.

Very little in this "letter" explains an important detail, when will the kidnappers contact the parents for the money in trade for the child. That alone tells me there wasn't a kidnapping. A real kidnapper, group or single person, would make sure that instruction would be clean and understood.

IMO the Ramsey didn't need that detail to be clear because they knew there would not be any contact from the kidnappers.
JMO

 

[joeskidbeck]

We've been down this road before DD.

While you are OK with them bashing, strangling, violating her, covering up and lying, you just don't believe they would have taken the final step which would have completely separated them from the crime, because you say they wanted a 'nice corpse'. Nopey, nope, nope.

Murri, Patsy confirmed the 'nice corpse' theory when she remarked to Burke about how pretty JB looked in her coffin.

 

[BBB167893]

Yes, argued previously, elsewhere, ad nauseum.

That's right.

But again we are off topic. What Small Foreign Faction??

If anyone wants to keep going, just tell me where and when.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

It's too bad the rest of the article isn't there. At least when I tried the link, it wasn't. Do you have any idea exactly which mother and child the President was referring to? And are you saying that the NK government would have sanctioned the kidnapping of JonBenet?

Sorry, now I see the rest of your post. This was NK abducting a Japanese child. Do you think it's possible that NK expected to kidnap JonBenet to have her train the Koreans on American culture and customs? Do you not think that if this were their plan, they would have left a note at all? Don't you think the Ramseys would have woke up the next morning and JB would have just been gone? No trace whatsoever? I hate to say this, but JonBenet would probably have been better off if that had been the plan.

You know, these are good questions.

Of course JBR would be better off alive even if in NK although maybe you're not reading up on it enough. I've often been asked to read this or that trash book but I have read some other books and they are quite enlightening to say the least.

In keeping with the thread topic, I'd say that if the perp was Korean and wanted to conceal their identity then they would not choose an object that said Korea on it. If the perp was Korean and didn't care about revealing or even wanted to hint at their identity then they might choose an object that said Korea on it.

Since the ransom note on its own does seem to be providing hints without directly stating anything, its not a stretch to infer that a Korean would choose the Korea paintbrush over the China paintbrush.

IOW, if a Korean perp then they hinted at their identity in both the ransom note and the selection and preparation of the garrote handle.

 

[joeskidbeck]

That's right.



If anyone wants to keep going, just tell me where and when.

Pick the spot, Dave, and we'll be there.

 

[BBB167893]

Pick the spot, Dave, and we'll be there.

I've got just the place all ready:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117738&page=4

 

[MurriFlower]

It all hinges on WHY she was killed. There lies the clues as to why they would stage the body, cover up and lie, but couldn't 'dispose' of Jon Benet.

Or it could have been a stark raving politically driven Korean, who for no rhyme or reason killed JB. Hmmm which scenario makes more sense? Wait, don't answer that. It may get me timed out!

Oh, wait, much more likely, it was two loving parents, or a loving 9 yo brother, or a loving grandfather, or even better, the whole bunch of them together, who were serially sexually abusing her and accidentally strangled her in a sex game gone wrong, after bashing in her head for a bit of extra fun. But they decided to cover it up and just wanted her perfect for the funeral. Yes, I see how you are thinking now.

 

[joeskidbeck]

Oh, wait, much more likely, it was two loving parents, or a loving 9 yo brother, or a loving grandfather, or even better, the whole bunch of them together, who were serially sexually abusing her and accidentally strangled her in a sex game gone wrong, after bashing in her head for a bit of extra fun. But they decided to cover it up and just wanted her perfect for the funeral. Yes, I see how you are thinking now.

Actually, you have no idea how she is thinking.

 

[DeeDee249]

Oh, wait, much more likely, it was two loving parents, or a loving 9 yo brother, or a loving grandfather, or even better, the whole bunch of them together, who were serially sexually abusing her and accidentally strangled her in a sex game gone wrong, after bashing in her head for a bit of extra fun. But they decided to cover it up and just wanted her perfect for the funeral. Yes, I see how you are thinking now.

None of us think that. This was a "nice" family with some "not-so-nice" secrets. This happens in some "nice" families, even wealthy ones. If I had to pick just one theory, I'd have to say: cover-up of unintended death resulting from head bash, with knowledge of sexual abuse by family member which needed to be kept secret. Despite the horrible events of that night, I still do not believe they could have dumped her body somewhere else. For that matter, if this HAD been an intruder, why leave her in the basement? Why NOT dump her body outside? Leaving her in the house assures that she will be found, and ransom not paid in that event.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

None of us think that. This was a "nice" family with some "not-so-nice" secrets. This happens in some "nice" families, even wealthy ones. If I had to pick just one theory, I'd have to say: cover-up of unintended death resulting from head bash, with knowledge of sexual abuse by family member which needed to be kept secret. Despite the horrible events of that night, I still do not believe they could have dumped her body somewhere else. For that matter, if this HAD been an intruder, why leave her in the basement? Why NOT dump her body outside? Leaving her in the house assures that she will be found, and ransom not paid in that event.

my bold.

We're all entitled to our theories, right?

 

[MurriFlower]

None of us think that. This was a "nice" family with some "not-so-nice" secrets. This happens in some "nice" families, even wealthy ones. If I had to pick just one theory, I'd have to say: cover-up of unintended death resulting from head bash, with knowledge of sexual abuse by family member which needed to be kept secret. Despite the horrible events of that night, I still do not believe they could have dumped her body somewhere else. For that matter, if this HAD been an intruder, why leave her in the basement? Why NOT dump her body outside? Leaving her in the house assures that she will be found, and ransom not paid in that event.

Indeed, if we knew why we might also know who and that would be an end to it.

I don't think that many RDI consider that there is anything "nice" about the Rs, going on what is said about them on this forum.

 

[SunnieRN]

Oh, wait, much more likely, it was two loving parents, or a loving 9 yo brother, or a loving grandfather, or even better, the whole bunch of them together, who were serially sexually abusing her and accidentally strangled her in a sex game gone wrong, after bashing in her head for a bit of extra fun. But they decided to cover it up and just wanted her perfect for the funeral. Yes, I see how you are thinking now.

Thank you for putting words in my mouth. Although you did make the point that there was a LOT of possible scenarios for what happened within the walls of the Ramsey household.

Next time, I would appreciate you asking me if that is how/what I think, thank you very much.

As for motivation for covering anything up, it can be attributed to guilt, pain, anger, survival and fear. Any and all of which family members could feel. Especially if another child was involved.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

As for motivation for covering anything up, it can be attributed to guilt, pain, anger, survival and fear. Any and all of which family members could feel. Especially if another child was involved.

Oh but my theory has established, factual anger in it. I can prove it whereas you cannot.

 

[MurriFlower]

Thank you for putting words in my mouth. Although you did make the point that there was a LOT of possible scenarios for what happened within the walls of the Ramsey household.

Next time, I would appreciate you asking me if that is how/what I think, thank you very much.

As for motivation for covering anything up, it can be attributed to guilt, pain, anger, survival and fear. Any and all of which family members could feel. Especially if another child was involved.

This is a thread about which SFF, so if you ridicule one person's theory on who this may be, expect a little RDI ridicule as well.

 

[SunnieRN]

Oh and Cathy, thank you for stating the obvious, that the most likely suspects of sexual abuse upon Jon Benet, existed within the walls of the Ramsey household! I agree 100%!!

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Oh and Cathy, thank you for stating the obvious, that the most likely suspects of sexual abuse upon Jon Benet, existed within the walls of the Ramsey household! I agree 100%!!

What sexual abuse? I know about sexual assault but I don't know about sexual abuse. Was there some news I missed? Because I can't find any news that says JBR was chronically sexually abused. Only stuff about unknown male DNA all over her clothes.

Do you have a news source?

 

[joeskidbeck]

Oh but my theory has established, factual anger in it. I can prove it whereas you cannot.

I have tried to read every post on all these threads. Who is it that you can factually show anger towards the Ramseys?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

I have tried to read every post on all these threads. Who is it that you can factually show anger towards the Ramseys?

"We respect your business but not the country that it serves."

I can factually show anger against the US at the time of the murder.

 

[joeskidbeck]

"We respect your business but not the country that it serves."

I can factually show anger against the US at the time of the murder.

That does not show anger towards the Ramseys or even John alone. As a matter of fact (and you already know this) that note shows respect to John Ramsey. Nor does it show anger to the United States. There is a difference in anger and disrespect.
When foreign factions want to hurt the United States, they blow up buildings, not kill little girls in their own homes.
Why would anyone here still believe in a foreign faction when even the Ramseys don't believe it?