What The Hell Is Going On Here??????????

[Rino]

It was you assuming that he was refering to the jacket fibres Solace. He did not say what this 'mystery evidence' was, he just indicated that it was highly significant and that it was enough bring charges. None were brought, so he was obviously lying.

In forensic science, you do not need to rely on blood, to have evidence. If JonBenet was thrown or pushed against something in the bathroom, microscopic traces of hair and skin from her head, would be in the very crevices of the bath and wall.

If you don't believe me, check out some websites.

The huge head wound is also strong forensic evidence- no mystery about it.

 

[Ames]

Thanks for the offer Ames but I imagine those here who have studied this case won't require a reference on something we already know about. If anyone doesn't know about the dumb bell, they can always read the 1998 interview.

Also, I don't want to hear any more of that "if I don't make it" stuff. I'm probably close enough to you now to come box your ears if I hear you saying that again. :blowkiss:

Yeah, I know that all of us RDI's who have researched until our eyeballs fell out of their sockets, would know about the dumb bell. I was going to post it for Callan, because I am quite sure that he will think that we all just made it up, or pulled it from thin air.

LOL...you are funny! I guess that I NEED my ears boxed. I am just afraid of any sort of surgery. I have already had two c-sections, so you would think that I should be a pro, by now...but noooooo...I am a scaredy cat.

 

[Squishified]

Everybody ignored my theory of the bedpost

daffodil,
Hey, I didn't!! Right after you posted it I wrote "Good post, daffodil".:blowkiss:

 

[Callan]

As I suspected Callan, you don't know what the hell you are talking about, because you apparently haven't done any research whatsoever, on this case. Gee...how can you be so knowledgeable about the case, if you haven't done your homework. NO, we don't need anyone here, that spouts off things that they make up as they go along. We rely on facts here...you are on the wrong board. Referring to the first sentence that I have highlighted in red....did you know that there was NO SIGN AT ALL of that head wound, it was ALL internal...no split open scalp, no bleeding...no sign at all, that anything had happened to her head.SO WHY would there have been hair or skin on the bathtub? Regardless of that, how do YOU know that they didn't check for those things? Were you there? Regarding the 2nd sentence in red....YES, in fact they DID check to see if there was a match, and the conclusion was that a flashlight fit PERFECTLY into the injury to the skull bone, as would any rounded object..for example a bathtub. You seriously need to do some research on this case, before coming on here to start things with us.

Well at a guess, I would say that it would be because skin and hair would fall off.

Oh "they" did come to that conclusion did they? When you have calmed down a liittle, perhaps you could provide the source of this conclusion that "they" came up with{?} This, despite the fact that you say ANY rounded object could have match the injury wound to her skull.

I don't like to say this, but you appear to be switching back to 'silly mode' again Ames.

 

[Ames]

Callan,

You intruder theorists always rely on the same old argument, there was no arrest, therefore they are not guilty. If this case had been in Manhattan, the Ramseys would have been separated and grilled. There was more circumstantial evidence in this case than in the Scott Peterson case. So please, that argument is baseless.

Haney is not lying when he tells Patsy he has scientific evidence that implicates her. He had the fibers. He also asks her about molestation and if it would surprise her if that were true. He also had the evidence that would implicate someone of prior sexual abuse.

Because he does not show her the evidence, does not mean it is not there.

What have you read on this case?

There was an aquital in the OJ Simpson case...I guess that Callan thinks that HE is innocent too!!!

 

[Solace]

You know Callan, I started following this case about 6 months in as here in the UK there wasnt obviously as much coverage as in the US and in all the years since I believed an intruder did it BUT over the last 12 months my opinions have changed-partly through reading these forums and partly my own common sense.Whilst I disagree with certain conclusions reached and feel a lot of discussions go on about largely irrelevant points on the whole I cannot disagree with the opinion Patsy did it.What I feel happened is this:

After a long,tiring day JonBenet falls asleep in the car on the way home from the Whites,whether she then walks in or was carried is beside the point I feel as at some point she was awake,she possibly woke when Patsy was changing her clothes.JB is then hungry so Patsy gives her the pineapple and either her or Burke have the tea.JR and BR play with his toys and Patsy puts the pillow at the foot of JBs bed and lets her watch a video whilst Patsy is down the hall packing for the trip.At some point she checks JB,sees she has fallen asleep and wet the bed.Tired,stressed,infuriated she sees red and grabs JB,a tussle ensues causing the curtain tie back to come loose and the hair ties to be knocked over.During the struggle she flings JB round hard and hits her head on the bedpost of the spare bed (take a look at the shape of those and how they curve outwards).JB is unconscious so Patsy lifts her onto the bed,gets John,they get Burke to bed and out of the way.PR and JR go downstairs to the kitchen,Patsy uses the tissues as she is crying.JR goes into CEO mode and they form the plan to pass it as a kidnapping gone bad.All the pertinent equipment is gathered,some perhaps rejected eg the rope,they go upstairs and JR carries JB down the spiral stairs to the cellar getting garland strands in her hair on the way down.They lay her outside the WC and fashion the garrote,strangling her with it and inserting the paintbrush inside her.Patsy writes the RN by which time time has run out and they call 911 and we all know what followed.

I realise of course this is a simplistic version of what probably happened but I would think its a logical version and JMHO.:twocents:

It is a possibility it happened that way Daffodil. What concerns me is the red turtleneck and the fact that it is in the bathroom. Patsy originally said that JonBenet had the turtleneck on that night and then she changed to say it was the white gap top. The turtleneck is found rolled up on the floor of the bathroom. So I believe that it was worn at some point because in order for it to be in a "ball", it would have to be pulled over someone's head or taken off by the person wearing it and then thrown. If it had not been worn, it would more than likely not be in a ball. It could have been done in the morning, but I am a Thomas theorist believer and he seems to be intent on the red turtleneck. He never goes on about it in his book - I would like to know if it were urine soaked.

What interests me is why you changed your mind and now believe Patsy did it. Thanks Dafodil.

 

[Solace]

There was an aquital in the OJ Simpson case...I guess that Callan thinks that HE is innocent too!!!

Callan, just for the record, I heard on Fox News that 40% more "black" folks now BELIEVE that OJ killed his wife.

Just sayin Callan, just sayin!!!

 

[Rino]

Everybody ignored my theory of the bedpost

I read it and think you are as close as anyone with how the headwound came to be. Strike that - as close as anyone who admits there is a head wound

I actually have no theroy of the how or exaclty why, so yours makes a great deal of sense.

 

[BOESP]

And Steve Thomas was there, and knows more than Callan does. There has to be a reason that ST suspects a bedwetting is what led to Patsy, in an accident fueled by rage, harmed her daughter.

Ames, it is beyond my understanding why many IDI ignore Steve Thomas's comments and argue he was biased and had an axe to grind. These same people will hang on every word John and Patsy Ramsey said, apparently totally ignoring that those two had a lot more to be biased about and several axes to grind. The fact that his book was allowed to stay in print, without changing anything, speaks volumes to me. A publisher who settles a case for $2,000,000 (arbitrary amount) out of court instead of spending $5,000,000 (arbitrary figure) to take it to court and have his client found innocent is doing what publishers do -- looking at the company's bottom line. Had the Ramseys been interested in clearing their name and filing on principle (as they said they were doing) instead of using it as an income source, they would have stuck with that suit all the way to the court room instead of settling for money out of court. Just think how much money the Ramseys saved in lawyers fees by settling out of court.

And, as you or someone said yesterday, I seriously doubt Steve Thomas would put something in print that would portray him as a know-nothing on this case.

 

[Squishified]

Ames, whatever you do, don't go into "silly mode".
It really upsets some posters. :crazy: :dance:

 

[Ames]

Somewhere in, I think, an interview, someone mentioned that the sweater was probably the one Arianna Pugh wore when she and her mother Linda were asked to stay for the party on the 23rd. Maybe the sweater had been lying there for three days ... maybe Patsy thought that on the third day it would rise and put itself in her sweater drawer (kind of like Lazarus :slap

Yes, I saw the 48 Hours special. Makes you wonder why Smit didn't go through it. Surely John Ramsey could have hired a couple of helper bees.

All that I can remember from the interviews, is that Patsy said that it wasn't hers..and John said that it was hers. I do remember something somewhere though, about Arianna Pugh. LOL..thats funny, there is no telling how long it had been there...and yes, Patsy probably thought that it was going to place itself back into the sweater drawer.

FOR SURE...if my daughter was murdered, and there was "a killer" out there somewhere, that had not been caught...AND there was a warehouse full of evidence that hadn't been gone through...I would move heaven and earth, to make sure every last single piece of evidence had been thoroughly tested. There is a REASON that the Ramsey's did not pursue that any further...the same reason that they did/do not want JB's body exhumed for a 2nd autopsy.

 

[Solace]

Well at a guess, I would say that it would be because skin and hair would fall off.

Oh "they" did come to that conclusion did they? When you have calmed down a liittle, perhaps you could provide the source of this conclusion that "they" came up with{?} This, despite the fact that you say ANY rounded object could have match the injury wound to her skull.

I don't like to say this, but you appear to be switching back to 'silly mode' again Ames.

Callan, one more time, one of the forensics, DR. SPITZ, did the test on the flashlight and the skull and you can see it on tv as I did, when they deem to show it again, the flashlight according to Spitz fits perfectly. Come on.

 

[Ames]

It is a possibility it happened that way Daffodil. What concerns me is the red turtleneck and the fact that it is in the bathroom. Patsy originally said that JonBenet had the turtleneck on that night and then she changed to say it was the white gap top. The turtleneck is found rolled up on the floor of the bathroom. So I believe that it was worn at some point because in order for it to be in a "ball", it would have to be pulled over someone's head or taken off by the person wearing it and then thrown. If it had not been worn, it would more than likely not be in a ball. It could have been done in the morning, but I am a Thomas theorist believer and he seems to be intent on the red turtleneck. He never goes on about it in his book - I would like to know if it were urine soaked.

What interests me is why you changed your mind and now believe Patsy did it. Thanks Dafodil.

Here is something odd too...the red turtleneck was found balled up on the bathroom counter. Patsy herself, said that JB would drop clothes on the floor, they landed where she pulled them off. The red turtleneck was on the COUNTER in the bathroom, not the floor...as if an adult, had taken it off of JB and placed it there. I think that while Patsy was pissed at JB for wetting the bed, she violently tried to remove the turtleneck, and you know how hard those things are to take off....in the process of trying to jerk it off of her, JB was thrown into the rounded part of the tub.

 

[Rino]

Ames, whatever you do, don't go into "silly mode".
It really upsets some posters. :crazy: :dance:

All the more reason to hit the silly mode ....

 

[Ames]

Ames, whatever you do, don't go into "silly mode".
It really upsets some posters. :crazy: :dance:

LOL...I noticed! Its great to know that I have so many wonderful people behind me. Now, if you guys could just all come here, and hold my hand during the surgery. Except for Callan, she/he might try to turn off my oxygen. JK Callan.

 

[BOESP]

LOL...I noticed! Its great to know that I have so many wonderful people behind me. Now, if you guys could just all come here, and hold my hand during the surgery. Except for Callan, she/he might try to turn off my oxygen. JK Callan.

Or worse ... he/she might see you nekkid!

 

[Ames]

Callan, one more time, one of the forensics, DR. SPITZ, did the test on the flashlight and the skull and you can see it on tv as I did, when they deem to show it again, the flashlight according to Spitz fits perfectly. Come on.

Solace, you are wasting your time....its like talking to a wall.

 

[Callan]

So, please Callan, tell us how you know "bathroom" evidence is nil.[/color]

BOESP;1755173]Callan, the question is how do you know that evidence was not gathered from the bathtub and other bathroom areas? No crime scene photos have been published and not all the evidence has been made public. Maybe, if you are a reporter, author or filmmaker, you might have contacts with people who are "in the know," but in my experience, the media only knows what the investigation team wants them to know. P.S. Saying " If you don't believe me, check out some websites." is called "proving the negative." It's a fallacy of argument, in case you want to know. If not, carry on as you were old chap.

Well if there was, it would have all came out, just has all the other stuff came out.

Do you have any sensible questions now?

 

[Ames]

Or worse ... he/she might see you nekkid!

Oh MY..yes, that would be worse than not having oxygen!!

 

[Squishified]

LOL...I noticed! Its great to know that I have so many wonderful people behind me. Now, if you guys could just all come here, and hold my hand during the surgery. Except for Callan, she/he might try to turn off my oxygen. JK Callan.

We will all be "virtually" holding your hand. Can't wait to see the first photos of the little one!
Ooops, wait a second, I'm about to go into silly mode........
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