What was Casey's plan?

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I agree with you for the most part, and have stated as much in my prior postings, although you added some elements that I have not been able to keep up with. I still think she gave Caylee some medication to put her to sleep in the car and forgot about her and she expired in the car from heat exposure. Do you think that the Chloroform was placed on Caylee's body in the trunk to make it look more like a kidnapping? What about this thought--her subconscious wish was that Caylee would be removed from her life; however, she still sees it as an accident.

It's so strange.
I don't know why i'm having such a hard time grasping tonight that she did something to Caylee.
Every day since this case started, i've thought for sure, and i have hated her.
Something got me tonight when i was watching 20/20 again, and i just can't imagine it.
What happened?
How could it have happened?
As a mom...how could she have not loved her enough to keep her safe, even if that meant running away from her mom...and giving caylee up for adoption from somewhere else...like California or something.
I mean yeah...her mom wouldn't "let" her give the baby up for adoption before, but casey is an adult, and legally if she wants to do that she could have.
I'm having a hard time seeing how she could have physically hurt her little girl or even drugged her or put her in the trunk to "sleep".
From the pics and videos, they seemed so happy.
What happened....????
This is really getting to me tonight.....:(
 
It's so strange.
I don't know why i'm having such a hard time grasping tonight that she did something to Caylee.
Every day since this case started, i've thought for sure, and i have hated her.
Something got me tonight when i was watching 20/20 again, and i just can't imagine it.
What happened?
How could it have happened?
As a mom...how could she have not loved her enough to keep her safe, even if that meant running away from her mom...and giving caylee up for adoption from somewhere else...like California or something.
I mean yeah...her mom wouldn't "let" her give the baby up for adoption before, but casey is an adult, and legally if she wants to do that she could have.
I'm having a hard time seeing how she could have physically hurt her little girl or even drugged her or put her in the trunk to "sleep".
From the pics and videos, they seemed so happy.
What happened....????
This is really getting to me tonight.....:(
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This is why I can't get it out of my mind that YES, she left Caylee asleep in the car, but a pedophile could have murdered her while she was gone.
 
I think she had been pulling off lies to her mom for so long that she actually believed she was good at it. I only say mom because I think GA gave up on trying to get CA to see thru casey's lies a long tie ago b/c he just couldn't win. I am sure that CA always stuck up for KC and GA was always the bad guy to KC......(respectfully snipped)

So interesting you say this because this is how I see it EXACTLY. Many people consider George suspicious and I believe some has to do with his physical appearance - his eyebrows - his facial expressions. Sometimes we do get influenced like that. It is eerie how influenced we get by someone's physical appearance.

BUT.......As I see it Cindy and Casey and their war of power and control throughout the years pushed the males in the family INTO the background. Cindy and Casey were the STARS of the show, George was the silent walking on eggshells observer who was the ''bad guy'' if he said anything, Lee was the peacemaker between mother and daughter. Remember the story of the neighbor who said there was a big fight in the house on the 15th of June and that the neighbour said he/she would never talk to her own mother like this? And that Casey spoke very badly to Cindy in other occassions as well? The fights were between Cindy and Casey, not George or anyone else.

But it is important to remember some major things:

1. George is the one who from the first night of the 911 call takes a detective aside and makes sure they know his daughter is a liar, to get a good close look at her and her actions. A lot of things happened that night. And cleaning the car because they thought Casey was in trouble was far away from the later into the night realisation and revelation that Caylee is missing. So George did tell the police his daughter should be considered a person of interest. I don't think he thought Caylee was harmed, but I am sure he thought Casey was lying about Caylee's whereabouts. Why do that if he was covering anything for her? I think he was afraid Cindy was going to cover for her to the police, present the pink-tainted glasses versions. He knew something was going on and he was anxious to let police know his daughter is withholding information. NOW consider what Cindy did from the very first night: immediately bought the zanny the nanny took the baby and sat with Casey to create a myspace account for Caylee to find her. Who does that? Someone who bought what Casey said. George on the other hand was quick to believe it was bullsh1t and took police aside to let them know.

2. George was the one who told the TRUTH about the gas cans on the interview with Greta. Cindy was obviously uncomfortable with George telling that story. He might said the whole ''someone took the cans, returned them, apologised'' but he was the one who came out clean and talked about who took the cans. NOT ONLY THAT BUT: He talked about how Casey was trying to keep him away from the car!!!That is really important. If George was covering for her he would just say yes Casey returned them to me, she apologised, etc. But he wouldn't paint this picture of his daughter trying with every mean to keep him away from her car's trunk. He did say that and that is when Cindy got uncomfortable with the situation.

3. George is the ONLY one of the family who demonstrated REAL EMOTION on camera. Real anguish and frustration and anger, but also in two occassions real tears in his eyes and trembling in his chin about Caylee. Cindy tried to cry when she was on a show with Beth Holloway (sorry don't remember which one), and it looked very forced and unnatural. Remember....when we really cry our chin involuntary trembles. It is a reflex that CANNOT be faked. Actors can fake tears but not the chin reflex. When their chin trembles it is real crying. Cindy was trying to cry, George looked genuinely upset.

4. George also disappeared from the media when the evidence began mounting on Casey. I don't think it is because he is in hiding because he did cover up the crime or anything....I think he just can't get on with Cindy's insane campaign of defending every evidence out there and bending the truth the way she does, throwing wild stories and fantasies to the media defending Casey. And here is a wild speculation: What if it was George who ''tipped'' the police about his gun in the car?

5. Cindy is the controlling one in the relationship. If it is true (I believe it is but that is jmo) the story of Cindy's brother that Cindy was the one who put up George to quit his job as a detective and go into his dad's business with the hopes he will inherit it in the future....that speaks volumes in my personal opinion. That was a major life decision and Cindy seems the one who was the main force of the family, the planner, the one who influenced decisions. Also it was Cindy who dealed with Casey most of the time and who was intrusive enough to call Casey's friend and tell him to stay away from Casey because she is a SOCIOPATH, and Casey will hurt him. That is very controlling behavior.

THAT WAS OPEN WAR, THE UNLTIMATE CONTROL FIGHT BETWEEN MOTHER AND DAUGHTER MY FRIENDS. And as the case evolves we will see how that war had its innocent victim: Caylee. Even Padilla said that George is OUT OF THE LOOP in that family. And that is one Padilla observation I believe. And Cindy might be defending Casey with all her power but it is also something else: Finally she has control of Casey BACK. Casey depends on Cindy once again to defend her and clear her image. Casey is once again Cindy's little girl that has to listen to her and follow her instructions to get out of this mess, and depend on her for lawyers and bail money and positive publicity. Cindy lost control over Caylee once Casey decided the child was HERS and she was outta there and she was going to do whatever she wanted to do with the child. And Cindy called 911 because she thought she could CONTROL the situation and make Casey allow her to see Caylee. At that point she had no clue the child was in danger. By the time of the third 911 call, the terror in her voice shows she knew something horrible is happening.

Sick? Confusing? Illogical? Dysfunctional? Yup it is all that. But once all the evidence and especially interviews see the light, we will see much more informative details of the relationship between Casey and Cindy and how that war escalated into the disappearance/death? of the innocent child.
 
And I also said it wayyy back on here and am in agreement with you: the war between the mother and daughter is very prominent in the psychological understanding and to why Casey wanted total control over Caylee.
 
The thread should be renamed to what was the plans of the Anthony family? :)

Check this out: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1080375/0825-Casey-Anthony-Documents-released-part-1 page 51.

This photograph has handed over to police on 7/16/08 which is the day Casey was originally arrested. At this time the family was tell the police they last say caylee on 6/9/08. They claim the photograph was taken on 5/31/08? That photograph was taken on Father's Day on 6/15/08 when Caylee and Cindy went to the Mount Dora nursing home. So why would they lie about the date of the photograph and the day they last saw Caylee?
 
The thread should be renamed to what was the plans of the Anthony family? :)

Check this out: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1080375/0825-Casey-Anthony-Documents-released-part-1 page 51.

This photograph has handed over to police on 7/16/08 which is the day Casey was originally arrested. At this time the family was tell the police they last say caylee on 6/9/08. They claim the photograph was taken on 5/31/08? That photograph was taken on Father's Day on 6/15/08 when Caylee and Cindy went to the Mount Dora nursing home. So why would they lie about the date of the photograph and the day they last saw Caylee?


Because if they don't lie about the date of the photo, then it is confirmed that the last person verified to be with Caylee by an independent source was CINDY, that's not something that a person wants. No one wants to be the last person seen with a missing child.
 
Gametheory -- Excellent post and observations! :clap: And don't forget that LE stated GA was very helpful with telling them about the bag of trash from the trunk and took them to where it had been dumped so they could retrieve it (and that it contained what GA had told them).
 
Actually, you all should be paid for being paralegals, at the least.
 
At first/until this week I felt it could have been an accidently death but after reviewing Tony's talk w/LE and other things, I believe she is another "Susan Smith" just on a different level..I'm thinking she attached herself to Tony, all that promtion things he does may have been really appealing in her mind (like she would be important or something) Tony even speaks of her bacisally "injecting herself in his life, doing things kind of to make him "NEED her" these are my words... Maybe Tony was going to move either to NY, CA for music, she figured she would go along. Based on everything I have read, she seemed EXTREMELY desperate for men's attention which again, strikes me odd as her father was in her life, not like Susan Smith whose father figure was missing.. She is one VERY, VERY, odd, strange, I cant even think of words to describe my thoughts as to the kind of human she is...
 
So interesting you say this because this is how I see it EXACTLY. Many people consider George suspicious and I believe some has to do with his physical appearance - his eyebrows - his facial expressions. Sometimes we do get influenced like that. It is eerie how influenced we get by someone's physical appearance.

BUT.......As I see it Cindy and Casey and their war of power and control throughout the years pushed the males in the family INTO the background. Cindy and Casey were the STARS of the show, George was the silent walking on eggshells observer who was the ''bad guy'' if he said anything, Lee was the peacemaker between mother and daughter. Remember the story of the neighbor who said there was a big fight in the house on the 15th of June and that the neighbour said he/she would never talk to her own mother like this? And that Casey spoke very badly to Cindy in other occassions as well? The fights were between Cindy and Casey, not George or anyone else.

But it is important to remember some major things:

1. George is the one who from the first night of the 911 call takes a detective aside and makes sure they know his daughter is a liar, to get a good close look at her and her actions. A lot of things happened that night. And cleaning the car because they thought Casey was in trouble was far away from the later into the night realisation and revelation that Caylee is missing. So George did tell the police his daughter should be considered a person of interest. I don't think he thought Caylee was harmed, but I am sure he thought Casey was lying about Caylee's whereabouts. Why do that if he was covering anything for her? I think he was afraid Cindy was going to cover for her to the police, present the pink-tainted glasses versions. He knew something was going on and he was anxious to let police know his daughter is withholding information. NOW consider what Cindy did from the very first night: immediately bought the zanny the nanny took the baby and sat with Casey to create a myspace account for Caylee to find her. Who does that? Someone who bought what Casey said. George on the other hand was quick to believe it was bullsh1t and took police aside to let them know.

2. George was the one who told the TRUTH about the gas cans on the interview with Greta. Cindy was obviously uncomfortable with George telling that story. He might said the whole ''someone took the cans, returned them, apologised'' but he was the one who came out clean and talked about who took the cans. NOT ONLY THAT BUT: He talked about how Casey was trying to keep him away from the car!!!That is really important. If George was covering for her he would just say yes Casey returned them to me, she apologised, etc. But he wouldn't paint this picture of his daughter trying with every mean to keep him away from her car's trunk. He did say that and that is when Cindy got uncomfortable with the situation.

3. George is the ONLY one of the family who demonstrated REAL EMOTION on camera. Real anguish and frustration and anger, but also in two occassions real tears in his eyes and trembling in his chin about Caylee. Cindy tried to cry when she was on a show with Beth Holloway (sorry don't remember which one), and it looked very forced and unnatural. Remember....when we really cry our chin involuntary trembles. It is a reflex that CANNOT be faked. Actors can fake tears but not the chin reflex. When their chin trembles it is real crying. Cindy was trying to cry, George looked genuinely upset.

4. George also disappeared from the media when the evidence began mounting on Casey. I don't think it is because he is in hiding because he did cover up the crime or anything....I think he just can't get on with Cindy's insane campaign of defending every evidence out there and bending the truth the way she does, throwing wild stories and fantasies to the media defending Casey. And here is a wild speculation: What if it was George who ''tipped'' the police about his gun in the car?

5. Cindy is the controlling one in the relationship. If it is true (I believe it is but that is jmo) the story of Cindy's brother that Cindy was the one who put up George to quit his job as a detective and go into his dad's business with the hopes he will inherit it in the future....that speaks volumes in my personal opinion. That was a major life decision and Cindy seems the one who was the main force of the family, the planner, the one who influenced decisions. Also it was Cindy who dealed with Casey most of the time and who was intrusive enough to call Casey's friend and tell him to stay away from Casey because she is a SOCIOPATH, and Casey will hurt him. That is very controlling behavior.

THAT WAS OPEN WAR, THE UNLTIMATE CONTROL FIGHT BETWEEN MOTHER AND DAUGHTER MY FRIENDS. And as the case evolves we will see how that war had its innocent victim: Caylee. Even Padilla said that George is OUT OF THE LOOP in that family. And that is one Padilla observation I believe. And Cindy might be defending Casey with all her power but it is also something else: Finally she has control of Casey BACK. Casey depends on Cindy once again to defend her and clear her image. Casey is once again Cindy's little girl that has to listen to her and follow her instructions to get out of this mess, and depend on her for lawyers and bail money and positive publicity. Cindy lost control over Caylee once Casey decided the child was HERS and she was outta there and she was going to do whatever she wanted to do with the child. And Cindy called 911 because she thought she could CONTROL the situation and make Casey allow her to see Caylee. At that point she had no clue the child was in danger. By the time of the third 911 call, the terror in her voice shows she knew something horrible is happening.

Sick? Confusing? Illogical? Dysfunctional? Yup it is all that. But once all the evidence and especially interviews see the light, we will see much more informative details of the relationship between Casey and Cindy and how that war escalated into the disappearance/death? of the innocent child.


Wouldn't number 4 be wrong when George said something like "the body in my daughter's car was not my granddaughter"
 
Wouldn't number 4 be wrong when George said something like "the body in my daughter's car was not my granddaughter"

I guess my point 4 is that I see GA in denial - going through the process of shock and grief and all that while I see CA being full on board with Baez's defense strategies.

When GA said that, he was confronted by the journalists (I am not sure it was in his yard) but Cindy goes out and gives interviews on tv and says they receive THOUSANDS of tips about a living Caylee, talking about diapers in the back of the trunks, attacking Tim Miller as a liar, asking the detectives to apologise to her, standing by Baez to give a statement after the re-arrest of Cayse, etc. Cindy is much more vocal in her campaign, I guess this is what I was trying to say....I think :) I guess when I see George saying ''the body in my daughter's car was not my granddaughter'' I see someone in obvious pain and denial while I see Cindy more calculating and in control of everything she says aiming in Casey's defense. I am not taking away from Cindy's pain or that she obviously loved the child, I just think she is over head with Casey's defense. Do I make sense? Probably not :crazy:
 
I guess my point 4 is that I see GA in denial - going through the process of shock and grief and all that while I see CA being full on board with Baez's defense strategies.

When GA said that, he was confronted by the journalists (I am not sure it was in his yard) but Cindy goes out and gives interviews on tv and says they receive THOUSANDS of tips about a living Caylee, talking about diapers in the back of the trunks, attacking Tim Miller as a liar, asking the detectives to apologise to her, standing by Baez to give a statement after the re-arrest of Cayse, etc. Cindy is much more vocal in her campaign, I guess this is what I was trying to say....I think :) I guess when I see George saying ''the body in my daughter's car was not my granddaughter'' I see someone in obvious pain and denial while I see Cindy more calculating and in control of everything she says aiming in Casey's defense. I am not taking away from Cindy's pain or that she obviously loved the child, I just think she is over head with Casey's defense. Do I make sense? Probably not :crazy:

Yeah, I see what you're saying. Seems like Cynthia is eating up all the attention with lies while George is hanging out in the background most of the time.
 
Plan?

Casey didn't go to school & didn't hold a job.

I think she's like a 12 year old.... she lives one day at a time & puts unpleasant things out of her mind..... lying if it helps get people off her case.

And, if she had a normal work ethic, and a modicum of emotional maturity, she could easily have accomplished the very things she felt so compelled to lie about. The planning certificate, the job, the home.....
 
I think Casey's "plan" was to leave the car at amscott with her purse inside and disappear. Probably hoping her parents would think Caylee and herself were kidnapped. Then later returning to say she was being held and caylee was killed or taken elsewhere. Who knows?

I have a few theories..but I need to think about them alittle more :rolleyes:
 
the problem with the "no plan" theory is that she is not that one dimensional. She managed to lie to her family and friends for several years about Universal! So something does not fit here. I can't believe that she thought she would get away with it and no one would ask about Caylee...no she is dumb but not that dumb. Scott and OJ both had pretty good plans...not fool proof but still pretty good. Hers is just plain retarded. Mental age of a 2 year old.
There is something that we are missing her in this puzzle.

Sociopaths ARE emotional two-year olds. They've never grown into the genuine compassion and the adult relationship skills that are required to be a whole, functioning, person.

But, some do have a functioning adult intelligence, along with the emotional immaturity-- like Scott and OJ.

Casey has no adult work ethic, and no self-discipline. Which takes out the ability to plan, successfully.

Casey "plays if by rear," because she is cunning, but not that intelligent. And, she really does expect that her lies will be believed, however nonsensical.

If her parents (read: Cindy) had not been controlling and enabling, I think she would have been in jail for petty crimes a long time ago.
 
One plan that I just realized Casey probably had in mind was to run on July 16th. That is why she wanted "one more day."

Lee said in the bond hearing that Casey told Cindy on the 15th that she would take Cindy to see Caylee in the morning. This was just a delay tactic. Because it is a blatant lie no matter how it is spun because in the next day in the call to home you hear Casey telling her family she has no idea where Caylee is.

The question has been asked: why did she never attempt to run if she is guilty? The answer is she had no reason to before the 15th.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_local_orlandocrime/caylee_anthony/index.html

On the July 15, Casey maintained before Cindy called authorities that she knew where Caylee was and she would take family there in the morning, Lee told the prosecutor.

And, because she is too immature to be able to "read people," she thought she could just delay forever.
 
So you think she was going to wait until someone got suspicious, like Cindy, and then run? ok. so if this is true, maybe she had some money stashed away, like scott p, that we dont know about? maybe passport? there might be some evidence of this that we have not heard. YOU COULD BE ON TO SOMETHING! Cindy already thought that Casey was trying to branch out on her on...so if she disappeared she would have assumed that Caylee was with her! perfect plan. You might have just figured it out.
this makes much more sense. CA just got caught too soon. :clap:
:(

You could certainly be right about her escape plan. I don't think she could have siccessfully have vanished, though. She can't plan, and she doesn't know how to work to support herself.

I think she would have quickly run out of money, and got into trouble. Then, she would have been right back in the situation that she's in now-- dependant on Cindy and hating it.
 
This is just speculation but her plan seemed to be ~ move in with the new boyfriend without the child who had become a burden to the new, single life she wanted. Mom & Dad didn't like to babysit every night while she was at his apt., there was a big fight on Father's Day between her & parents (overheard by the neighbor) which I think had to do with her leaving Caylee with them all the time, and the following day Casey took care of her "problem". After the fact, part of the cover up could've been to have the car stolen to make it look like a carjacking and/or blame the nanny, whichever scenario would seem more believable. MOO only!! :)

She might have succeeded, if someone would have stolen the car. The Zanny thing is SO poorly concieved!
 
I agree. And if there was a threat not to get LE involved, why didn't she try and stop her mother from calling 911?

She DID try to stop CE from calling the cops. She begged for "one more day." CE is both stronger and more intelligent than KC.

I think she would have used that day to run, but she would not have got far. She can't plan. She can't think things through to as logical end. She also can't anticipate peoples reactions. Like, for instance, admnitting to the cops that she lied about everything, but insisiting, to the cops, that she was telling the truth abount Zanny.

Intelligent, somewhat self-disciplined sociopaths can be successful CEOs.

But, a lot of them are like KC, and just end up in jail.
 

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