What Were/Are Casey's Plans

[MistyM]

The way I read the post is that she was saying this is how Casey imagines herself to be (brave.)

you are right. i meant she would think that. personally i think she's one evil woman.

 

[Bobby62]

I do think she's a drug user, imo. So many in this age group are using club drugs

I am undecided on the drug use. On the one hand, most kids like her that are party girls are experimenting with ecstasy at these clubs. Marijuana is prevalent also. On the other hand, I think that Tony would not allow her to be incoherant in these clubs because it was his workplace. He was running a buisiness and would need his GF and associates to have a top shelf public image. He seems to be a fairly motivated kid with some ambition. I do not have tons of info on him though.

He had only been with her for two months. I am betting that they would not have made three unless she was good for his buisiness.

MOO

 

[LinasK]

I think her plan is simple, and what most people believe.

You can't / won't get convicted without a body.
And even if you are found guilty of a charge, without a clear cause of death you will not get the max sentence.

So NOT true! See the thread on convictions without a body, it happens far more often than you'd think. Also, in Laci Peterson's case, there was no "clear" cause of death as to how he murdered her, yet Scott Peterson sits on Death Row, that is the max sentence you can get!

 

[Vegas Bride]

I am undecided on the drug use. On the one hand, most kids like her that are party girls are experimenting with ecstasy at these clubs. Marijuana is prevalent also. On the other hand, I think that Tony would not allow her to be incoherant in these clubs because it was his workplace. He was running a buisiness and would need his GF and associates to have a top shelf public image. He seems to be a fairly motivated kid with some ambition. I do not have tons of info on him though.

He had only been with her for two months. I am betting that they would not have made three unless she was good for his buisiness.

MOO

I spent way to much time in clubs years ago because my ex was a performer, it's been my experience that anybody involved with them has some type of drug activity going on, it's a rare person who isn't using something. Some people, depending on what they were using, would be more pulled together and "on" and much better at getting through the late nights with what they were taking.

VB

VB

 

[icherish]

I'm just trying to get into this girls mindset to get any kind of clue.
I hope all her friends are singing like canaries and leaving nothing out, the smallest detail could be the thing to crack this wide open.

VB

My opinion is Casey planned nothing. Crazy as it seems, I believe she's been flying by the seat of her pants during this whole thing.


I would say Casey has little concept of direction or following a plan at all. I mean, look at her life in general....she wasn't working toward any of the goals that young people set for themselves to become independent...working, saving money, finishing school, etc. It seems she had no real game plan other than what was going on at the moment. For all intents and purposes, her mom was taking care of the kid and she was a carefree party girl.

Casey's lack of skills in that area is one reason why I believe Caylee's demise was unintentional... the result of Casey's negligence, as opposed to something premeditated. Think about it...how could or why would anyone actually plan this convoluted mess? I think something sudden and tragic happened and like anything else that comes up or goes down in Casey's world, Casey winged it... lies and all. In her mind, whatever worked to cover it up and whatever takes the heat off her for the moment. She lives in the moment. To average well-adjusted people, it makes no sense, no rhyme or reason... but to someone like Casey, she's gotta do what she's gotta do.

 

[NighTillDawn]

SelmaClue

There's one portion of a jail phone conversation that sticks in my mind, in a haunting way -- is where she says, "OH my God. Calling you guys? What a waste!" Does that haunt anyone else here? It's like she's saying, "I can't believe you're not buying my lies AGAIN. What's different today than any OTHER day when I've told you lies?"

The one phone call that haunts me is Casey saying " All they care about is Caylee ". If she was so concerned about her daughter being kidnapped, why say them words? She expected all the attention to be on her, not Caylee.

 

[Cubby]

There's one portion of a jail phone conversation that sticks in my mind, in a haunting way -- is where she says, "OH my God. Calling you guys? What a waste!" Does that haunt anyone else here? It's like she's saying, "I can't believe you're not buying my lies AGAIN. What's different today than any OTHER day when I've told you lies?"

This haunted me too, especially since those words were Casey's immediate reaction to her friends TEARS and concern over her daughter. Honestly, if your child was missing( or very ill etc.) and a parent were on the phone with a close friend, what parent wouldn't too start crying or at least be choked up fighting back from starting to fully cry? Then how Casey, caught herself in that reaction and like a 180 her demeanor switched immediately to rectify her error in communicating with her friend by trying to be sypmathetic and reasurring her friend. That 180 haunts me as well.

The only time I have heard a bit of fear- slight trembling in voice- in Casey was when Lee was asking her tough questions about the cell phone situation, the possible calls from the nanny etc. I'm not sure if anyone else picked up the trembling in her voice as I haven't read all the threads, but that struck me too and how she immediately tried to change the subject or distract him by being overly descriptive on something not particularly relevent to finding Caylee.

I don't think Casey has the composure to continue her bs with a straight tone which is why she is avoiding her family and friends. I think she is burying herself in the law books with the hopes of coming up with a story that might fly-- seeking mistakes with other cases etc. etc. Especially since it is probably sinking in right about now just how deeply she has dug herself into this with really no way out besides being honest and facing life at min.

ETA; I find the law books, interesting..... it also demonstrates, imo, she has little or no faith in her attorney. Casey seems to think she is the "Master" on all issues..... you know the type, will debate a brain surgeon when they have no medical knowledge. Delving into law books instead of seeking her daughters safe return also speaks volumes....

 

[icherish]

SelmaClue

There's one portion of a jail phone conversation that sticks in my mind, in a haunting way -- is where she says, "OH my God. Calling you guys? What a waste!" Does that haunt anyone else here? It's like she's saying, "I can't believe you're not buying my lies AGAIN. What's different today than any OTHER day when I've told you lies?"

The one phone call that haunts me is Casey saying " All they care about is Caylee ". If she was so concerned about her daughter being kidnapped, why say them words? She expected all the attention to be on her, not Caylee.

Those comments haunt me, also. She is so cold and unconcerned for Caylee and the grief of her friends and family. It is just chilling to listen to.

I hope those words come back to haunt her in court.

 

[diablo]

So NOT true! See the thread on convictions without a body, it happens far more often than you'd think. Also, in Laci Peterson's case, there was no "clear" cause of death as to how he murdered her, yet Scott Peterson sits on Death Row, that is the max sentence you can get!

I know it is not true, but many ppl may not, especially a 22-yo princess.

Peterson got the max because Laci was an adult and young healthy adults dont typically just die. But with kids accidents are more common, and like my neighbor who lost their child to SIDS, kids sometimes die without a clear cause of death.

 

[LinasK]

I know it is not true, but many ppl may not, especially a 22-yo princess.

Peterson got the max because Laci was an adult and young healthy adults dont typically just die. But with kids accidents are more common, and like my neighbor who lost their child to SIDS, kids sometimes die without a clear cause of death.

Babies die of SIDS, from not being able to turn over, not 2-year-olds. I don't think a SIDS defense is going to get Casey off.

 

[Vegas Bride]

After watching both George and Cindy these last few days, I'm thinking that if Cindy had not called in to report the kidnapping as fast as she did, Casey actually would have gotten away with this. If George had been there also and Casey had a little more time to drill it into their heads that Caylee would be in more danger if it was reported then Casey would have just been able to keep stringing them along.

VB

 

[Fandy]

I don't think she's a drug user at all. Princess? She wishes. She's just a spoiled brat who found herself to be an adult without a means to support herself. She thinks the real world is going to treat her the same as mommy and daddy who have spoiled her and bought all her lies during her formative years. She's shocked. She can't believe she has to be .............. real. As the judge said, "the truth and Miss Anthony are strangers." Likewise for reality, imo.

just recreational drugs....her parents have a nice home but are probably in debt up to their eyeballs, supporting her and her child....Casey's health insurance under mommy and daddy is about to run out at age 23 (at least thats how it works in my state). Who is paying for the baby's health insurance, even if she is COBRAed it is still at least $150-200. a month for a good plan with minimal coverage. G&C may have tried to make Casey face the reality that she is a single mother with responsibilities, she needs to create stability for herself. but they chose the wrong time to force their hand, because the mother of the year just wanted to be with her BF.

 

[Cubby]

just recreational drugs....her parents have a nice home but are probably in debt up to their eyeballs, supporting her and her child....Casey's health insurance under mommy and daddy is about to run out at age 23 (at least thats how it works in my state). Who is paying for the baby's health insurance, even if she is COBRAed it is still at least $150-200. a month for a good plan with minimal coverage. G&C may have tried to make Casey face the reality that she is a single mother with responsibilities, she needs to create stability for herself. but they chose the wrong time to force their hand, because the mother of the year just wanted to be with her BF.

Caylee most likely was covered under the free state health plan, not sure what it is in FL, but in IL it's called KidsKare or KidsCare. I bolded where I agree.... I am very curious about the chain of events which led up to this.. and why the GP's weren't actively attempting to get Casey to make some plans for her and Caylees when Caylee was a few months old. Weren't they clued in when she had no income taxes to file if she claimed to be working? Did she simply not file them and did the GP's claim both Casey and Caylee as dependents?

So much just doesn't add up, if in fact Cindy was pushing for Casey and Caylee to bond. Something in my gut tells me Cindy took on the mothering role and was very controlling in just how much she allowed Casey to do/learn on her own.... I can't help but think some of that control from Cindy had a major impact on Casey's ability to become independent if mommy did everything for her and possibly criticized or corrected everything Casey did..... again, just my gut

and my opinion.

 

[MarleneM]

SelmaClue

There's one portion of a jail phone conversation that sticks in my mind, in a haunting way -- is where she says, "OH my God. Calling you guys? What a waste!" Does that haunt anyone else here? It's like she's saying, "I can't believe you're not buying my lies AGAIN. What's different today than any OTHER day when I've told you lies?"

Of everything I've read and seen daily over the last month regarding Caylee's disappearance, hearing this one sentence uttered by her depraved mother during her first call home from jail is the reason I became compelled to follow this case through to the end. In that moment that I heard Casey Anthony cut off her crying friend's expected tears and admonish them with words of anger, jealousy and disbelief, I knew it was up to all of "us" to help investigators find Caylee. Casey sure wasn't going to do it.

I keep coming back to that sentence, and it's rude timing (meant to change the subject). I hear it any time I try to consider if Caylee is still alive. Honestly, if I was sitting on a jury and I heard that sentence in it's context: "OMG! Calling you guys? What a waste!!" on the heels of her friend crying to Casey about how she'll "just DIE" if anything happened to Caylee - Casey's own flesh and blood - I know I'd never be completely convinced Casey was innocent. I would never vote to let her walk.

I think as humans there exists evidence of guilt that is intangible to us all. Not notifying friends, family or police that your baby was stolen the minute you find out is but one example of this. My daughter is 4, and I can't sleep well anymore as I think about finding Caylee, in the hope to see her have a proper burial.

 

[Vegas Bride]

Welcome to websleuths Marlene!
I think one of the reasons this case has kept everyones attention is because we can not fathom how a mother can be so uncaring about her missing daughter. The friend on that phone recording showed real love for that baby. imo everyone has shown love for her except for the one you would think would have it the most.

VB

 

[SelmaClue]

Welcome to websleuths Marlene!
I think one of the reasons this case has kept everyones attention is because we can not fathom how a mother can be so uncaring about her missing daughter. The friend on that phone recording showed real love for that baby. imo everyone has shown love for her except for the one you would think would have it the most.

VB

So true... and they'll have a cold day in h3ll trying to cajole a jury into thinking otherwise, too. I can't get it out of my head ... the way she says it and the sound of her arrogant, self-entitled voice saying it. **shudder**

 

[Amberjack]

Of everything I've read and seen daily over the last month regarding Caylee's disappearance, hearing this one sentence uttered by her depraved mother during her first call home from jail is the reason I became compelled to follow this case through to the end. In that moment that I heard Casey Anthony cut off her crying friend's expected tears and admonish them with words of anger, jealousy and disbelief, I knew it was up to all of "us" to help investigators find Caylee. Casey sure wasn't going to do it.

I keep coming back to that sentence, and it's rude timing (meant to change the subject). I hear it any time I try to consider if Caylee is still alive. Honestly, if I was sitting on a jury and I heard that sentence in it's context: "OMG! Calling you guys? What a waste!!" on the heels of her friend crying to Casey about how she'll "just DIE" if anything happened to Caylee - Casey's own flesh and blood - I know I'd never be completely convinced Casey was innocent. I would never vote to let her walk.

I think as humans there exists evidence of guilt that is intangible to us all. Not notifying friends, family or police that your baby was stolen the minute you find out is but one example of this. My daughter is 4, and I can't sleep well anymore as I think about finding Caylee, in the hope to see her have a proper burial.

Exactly! The indignant attitude from Casey!!!
No mention of CAYLEE.
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Christina: "If anything happens to Caylee, Casey, I'll die. Do you understand? I'll die if anything happens to that baby."

Casey: "Oh, wow. Oh, my God, calling you guys is a waste, huge waste. Honey, I love you. You know I would not let anything happen to my daughter. If I knew where she was, this wouldn't be going on."