What will Cindy's Role be in Upcoming Events?

[Tiki]

I think cindy's place in this trial will be the cop in the court room. She watches e-thang that goes on around her. Member the last time she told the guard that one man shouldn't be in the court room because he was a witness.

She is the boss and has to be in control of what is happening around her. I look for her to stand up at least once and "object" to something. Got my popcorn ready

IDK - CA worries me. I don't think we've seen the last of her by any means.

After reading about her and her attorney meeting with JB, I got the feeling she's cooking something up with the DT. I think she's going to cause some trouble in her last ditch effort to get ICA off. I think part of it is that she wants to show the world the HER daughter is not a killer.

Sorry, CA . . , too late for that. We know the truth.

:deadhorse:

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[cecybeans]

CA might imagine she can kill two birds with one stone. Of course it's always been important for her to insist ICA was an innocent Mother of the Year - ICA is an extension of and reflection of CA's narcissistic-little-self, imo.

And I don't think for a second that CA is happy with GA, who squandered family money on his vices, made her work even harder taking care of the family and her granddaughter in the process, stole the public sympathy (ie: attention from her) with the suicide attempt and humiliated her with the RC scandal.

So if WFTV and others are right about the defense having GA in their crosshairs, I would imagine CA might "corroborate" anything necessary for her daughter that could put GA in a less than flattering light, and dispatch the support obligation of their symbiotic relationship, in addition to punishing GA once and for all for all his sins, real and imagined. After all, it's not like she hasn't even admitted the fact she has either considered or actually been uncooperative with physical evidence (the FBI and the toothbrush/hairbrush incidents for just one example). We've seen all the lies she has told over the life of this to the media or in a depo (including my favorite, insisting in court she thinks Caylee is alive after executing a flashy public memorial and sporting cremains jewelry as if she thinks, like ICA, that the lies she tells one minute evaporate and the morons in the public will never bother to cross reference them to new ones).

And well, whatever her role, I'm betting she's bucking for something way bigger than a "cameo". She needs to get even with both her daughter and GA and what better way than to go down like a self-immolated martyr "supporting" her daughter by agreeing with whatever she may say...

 

[LambChop]

CA might imagine she can kill two birds with one stone. Of course it's always been important for her to insist ICA was an innocent Mother of the Year - ICA is an extension of and reflection of CA's narcissistic-little-self, imo.

And I don't think for a second that CA is happy with GA, who squandered family money on his vices, made her work even harder taking care of the family and her granddaughter in the process, stole the public sympathy (ie: attention from her) with the suicide attempt and humiliated her with the RC scandal. I don't think GA squandered as much money as CA would have her family believe. I would not be surprised if this was a coverup for KC taking a lot of this money. No job for over two years so who paid for gas, clothes, personal items, movies, etc.? And let's not forget that GA received a considerable some from WComp. as a settlement and he did appear to be working. As far as RC it would not surprise me if CA was behind the whole thing. Where did that money go? There is no paper trail but somehow the A's had money to spend even though the both were not working during this timeframe. CA has no room to feel humiliated about RC when you listen to testimonies given about she and DC. I don't think they have had a real marriage for a long time and now they just support each other trying to get through this.

So if WFTV and others are right about the defense having GA in their crosshairs, I would imagine CA might "corroborate" anything necessary for her daughter that could put GA in a less than flattering light, and dispatch the support obligation of their symbiotic relationship, in addition to punishing GA once and for all for all his sins, real and imagined. After all, it's not like she hasn't even admitted the fact she has either considered or actually been uncooperative with physical evidence (the FBI and the toothbrush/hairbrush incidents for just one example). We've seen all the lies she has told over the life of this to the media or in a depo (including my favorite, insisting in court she thinks Caylee is alive after executing a flashy public memorial and sporting cremains jewelry as if she thinks, like ICA, that the lies she tells one minute evaporate and the morons in the public will never bother to cross reference them to new ones).

And well, whatever her role, I'm betting she's bucking for something way bigger than a "cameo". She needs to get even with both her daughter and GA and what better way than to go down like a self-immolated martyr "supporting" her daughter by agreeing with whatever she may say...

Whatever the reason for CA to be in JB's office on Friday her attorney was there. I would imagine it had to do with the deposition that following Monday of DC. The timing is right. JB did not want any surprises going into the deposition. The fact that her attorney was there tells me he would be keeping her from saying anything that might come back to bite her later if there are some legal issues pending over DC poking around on Suburban Drive. I also imagine her attorney is keeping her on a short leash. jmo

 

[SunnyinMO]

I consider myself a very caring, compassionate person who hurts for people I don't even know but Cindy A is one person that I have not one drop of sympathy for......she is a conniving, controlling, liar............she knows Casey killed Caylee but like Casey she will never utter those words, even on her death bed.......such a shame Caylee doesn't have the grammy that she loved so much in her corner.......
Cindy made her bed, let her lie in it..................................

FYI, I was able to vote

When I saw the subject line and read the first couple posts, I thought 'is this a joke'....I didn't realize it was an old thread that had been brought back to life. I had some empathy for G and A in the beginning....but after seeing them live and in action on TV and hearing them, the empathy slowed chipped away until I am in the same place you are. I have no sympathy for either of them. I believe in my soul they both know Casey is guilty. I do not blame them for still loving KC even knowing she killed Caylee....however I do blame them for knowing and not standing for Caylee. The final turning point for me as far as both of them go is the deposition with John Morgan. I honestly feel we saw the real Anthony's come out. And they are now memoralized on film. As far as the vote I think they will be tremendous unwilling assets to the State, just as GA was at the Grand Jury.

 

[logicalgirl]

Now see? This is why I love this site so good. Two people with differing views who actually are very considerate on one another's opinions. I am so DANG PROUD to be a WS member.
Does this make sense? :/

Thank you Tulessa - There is very little MissJames and I actually disagree on - I am simply questioning all of our speculation because I want to see more facts to confirm our suspicions. :waitasec:

Much of what we read, see and hear is media slanted and a "slice" IMO- so I'm all for a good back and forth discussion while we wait for confirmation. :bigfight: MissJames" brings it" without the bruises! Thank you MissJames - you're a peach!:blowkiss:

I'm just not as comfortable being emphatic even in the comfort of being anonymous as other posters are, without the full monty. (What, no full monty smiley???)

 

[SunnyinMO]

They are all they've got.......is each other. I think they'll hang in.....in the long run......for Caylee. I just have that faith in them that they will. It is my opinion.

I have to respectfully disagree with you. They have done nothing for Caylee since her death. Therefore, I can't imagine they would stay in a relationship for her. We know GA turned to River and it's been reported the CA turned to Dom Casey for 'whatever' that type of action leads me to believe that as soon as KC is convicted GA will be long gone with whatever he can take with him.

 

[USARDOG]

CA's role... Same is has been since she recovered from her one moment of honesty on the phone with LE that first night. She IMO, will twist, spin, lie, blame, all with no limits. She IMO is capable of just about any act that will free ICA, and I do not believe it is for ICA's benefit, but rather some twisted benefit of her own, that I am likely not capable of understanding.

 

[SunnyinMO]

CA loves to 'talk/complain' directly to the Judge. I believe she will try to do this often during her testimony. I just hope that JP doesn't have a soft spot for 'the grandparents.' :banghead: That would probably send me right over the edge. And I hope she is not allowed to address LDB as, Linda and not as Ms. Burdick. LDB deserves a lot of respect in my book.

 

[Scamperoo]

Cindy Anthony is like a battleship sailing into conflict with a mission to save her family, she has chosen the delusional path, how else could she get through this debacle being so wrong yet feeling justified and protective. She won't break down on the stand, not while there is a chance she can get her murderous daughter off or at least a lesser sentence.

I think maybe she could have a contrived meltdown on the penalty phase of the trial which might be somewhat cathartic for her but none the less done with a certain outcome in mind.

Cindy is in denial, a stubborn and angry refusal to see the truth, it's what is driving her everyday, when she is separated from this situation and is alone without anyone to bolster her delusion, only then I believe she will crumble.

Here is a very interesting article on the psychology of self delusion...even in the face of committing murder.

http://helpingpsychology.com/self-deception

 

[LolaMoon08]

They are all they've got.......is each other. I think they'll hang in.....in the long run......for Caylee. I just have that faith in them that they will. It is my opinion.

I wish I could believe this... I really wish I could?

I can't! They have left Caylee on the side of the road a long time ago (pun intended) and they never looked back. They have intentionally and maliciously tried to destroy innocent people's lives in the process.

The only hope I have for them is after Casey is convicted and sentenced. When noone will no longer care to see their faces and hear their voices... that they will slide down deep into their conscious and realize what they have done and ask for forgiveness.

 

[beach]

Here is a very interesting article on the psychology of self delusion...even in the face of committing murder.

http://helpingpsychology.com/self-deception

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Interesting article!

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A friend or family member could easily deny that their beloved friend or family is capable of murder and will testify to the truth that they did not commit any murder, believing the false reality as the true reality. This denial is a way for the mind to overcome truths that are too difficult to cope with if it involves someone you love or care for deeply

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People that are associated in some of these untruths can be separated from the delusion if they are removed from the mastermind of the delusions. Many times the original psychotic individual will continue to exhibit the self delusional symptoms while the underlings fall out of the delusion when removed from the presence of the proprietor of the lie.

Now...off to contemplate who really is the "mastermind of the delusions"...

 

[JSR]

I wish I could believe this... I really wish I could?

I can't! They have left Caylee on the side of the road a long time ago (pun intended) and they never looked back. They have intentionally and maliciously tried to destroy innocent people's lives in the process.

The only hope I have for them is after Casey is convicted and sentenced. When noone will no longer care to see their faces and hear their voices... that they will slide down deep into their conscious and realize what they have done and ask for forgiveness.

BBM.

I wish I could believe that even then the Anthonys could come to terms with what they have all done and how they have all in some way contributed to this horrible tragedy. But I don't think that will ever happen, at least in this life.

I think the Anthonys will only truly come to terms with what they have done and will finally ask for forgiveness when they have to face God and Caylee's soul themselves. But by then it will be too little too late.

To them they are able to place blame and continue on their very hateful path because in their minds the ends justifies the means ... gee where have I hear that phrase come from another Anthony? Oh yeah that's right! From the diary entry of Casey describing what many believe is her justification of getting rid of her daughter ....

They are all one in the same, made from the same cloth. I just hope many in the community are very aware of what this "family" is capable of and know enough to stay clear of them. I honestly don't know if any of them aren't just as capable of doing what Casey has already done.

 

[gitana1]

Cindy Anthony is like a battleship sailing into conflict with a mission to save her family, she has chosen the delusional path, how else could she get through this debacle being so wrong yet feeling justified and protective. She won't break down on the stand, not while there is a chance she can get her murderous daughter off or at least a lesser sentence.

I think maybe she could have a contrived meltdown on the penalty phase of the trial which might be somewhat cathartic for her but none the less done with a certain outcome in mind.

Cindy is in denial, a stubborn and angry refusal to see the truth, it's what is driving her everyday, when she is separated from this situation and is alone without anyone to bolster her delusion, only then I believe she will crumble.

Here is a very interesting article on the psychology of self delusion...even in the face of committing murder.

http://helpingpsychology.com/self-deception

I agree with you for the most part yet I still see competing interests in both parents, to this day. Their main goal though, is not getting their daughter off, IMO. It's clearing the family name and avoiding the emotional holocaust that is created by a Greek tragedy such as this. I agree they know their daughter is guilty and are in angry denial about it. That's part self-preservation and part prideful protection of their honor.

But there is another interest. And that is having the world and their horrid daughter acknowledge the pain she caused them. These competing interests - protection and expression - are obvious when they are in court of law or otherwise speaking with LE. They dance, they excuse, they obfuscate the truth, but it comes out in little dribbles: "Yes, I was panicked! I wanted the whole force to come and find my granddaughter!" Or, "Yes, it smelled like a dead body. i was a cop. I know that smell."

These people infuriate me repeatedly. Their misplaced rage drives me nuts. But I see them as seriously disturbed, damaged individuals, who never should have had kids and I understand why they act in the manner they do. And that does cause me to retain a sense of compassion for them even while I feel anger and sadness for Caylee who got destroyed in it all.

Regardless, I think that one of their competing interests will be made clear at trial and will play a large part in convicting their daughter, who they subconsciously probably want punished. In the end, the jury, with the help of the state, will see these people for what they are. Will be able to sift through the self-protective lies in order to see the agonizing truth that dwells in their hearts. They will understand the reason for the lies and discard them. I believe HHJP will maintain a feeling of some compassion for their pain and deluded state but will calmly redirect them so that the truth comes through. They will not change. They are in hell, one they helped create and their denials and delusions are part of that hell. They cannot escape it and face even more pain when their daughter is legally declared the murderer of their precious grandchild and is sentenced to a life in prison or death, while they are sentenced to a life of shame, what ifs and the loss of both of their girls.

 

[LinasK]

When I saw the subject line and read the first couple posts, I thought 'is this a joke'....I didn't realize it was an old thread that had been brought back to life. I had some empathy for G and A in the beginning....but after seeing them live and in action on TV and hearing them, the empathy slowed chipped away until I am in the same place you are. I have no sympathy for either of them. I believe in my soul they both know Casey is guilty. I do not blame them for still loving KC even knowing she killed Caylee....however I do blame them for knowing and not standing for Caylee. The final turning point for me as far as both of them go is the deposition with John Morgan. I honestly feel we saw the real Anthony's come out. And they are now memoralized on film. As far as the vote I think they will be tremendous unwilling assets to the State, just as GA was at the Grand Jury.

Me too! I thought it was a new thread, and the poll #'s just weren't making sense!:waitasec: It would be good to be able to take a recount now to see if people still feel the same way. I think there's no way Cindy will be a no-show now, and I can't see her being anything but a hostile witness for the prosecution, so I voted prominent for the defense (even if it means throwing George under the bus).

 

[LambChop]

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Interesting article!

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Now...off to contemplate who really is the "mastermind of the delusions"...

Oh, I think that would be CA. I would guess KC has learned that she could literally get away with murder if the only one she had to convince were her mother. I do not think KC is delusional. I think KC has been doing this for years, getting away with doing whatever she wanted and Momma would clean up after her. KC just carried things a little too far until LE became involved and there was no turning back. If CA never called 911 that night no one would be the wiser until they found the remains.

Had KC had time to think this out I would think she would have told her mother that the real bio dad came for Caylee and she could not say no to him because the A's had kept him out of her life for 3 years. Seeing Caylee now she realized she was mistaken about who the real dad was. That she did not tell her mom because CA would have interferred and Caylee's dad wants no interference from them so KC was honoring his request. KC could have kept this up for years and no one would be the wiser. CA and GA had no rights to ask the FBI to search for her and they would be stuck with KC's word. But then we know she does not think that far ahead. jmo

So how is that for delusional????

 

[Leila]

But there is a huge difference between not believing your child is a cold blooded murderer and actively trying to lie and cheat in some attempt to frame another innocent person for a crime your child likely committed. Huge difference. I wouldn't lose any respect for Cindy for still believing and loving Casey. It's when you see her constantly lying and attempting to pass blame and frame other people.

I also firmly believe it was Cindy who sent DC out to Suburban. And if she did, I think there isn't anything you can do that would be worse than trying to find your grandchilds remains to further hide them and possibly not even allow her a proper burial all to save the person who killed her.

I don't think Cindy thinks Casey is innocent. I just think she's willing to literally do anything, up to and including framing another person, so that they do the time for a crime Casey did. That's where I draw the line.

I just think Cindy is so self absorbed with Casey and Caylee. I think a lot of what she does is self serving. I honestly don't think she knows where she, Casey and Caylee begin and end. I think it's all jumbled up and she thinks that by Casey being labeled a murderer or being a murderer reflects upon her. To some extent, I think it does, I think there is a lot Cindy could have done to perhaps prevent this. But I ultimately think Casey is capable murdering anyone so if she hadn't killed Caylee she would have murdered someone else.

Sorry for the rambling but bottom line is that I'm glad the whole lot of them aren't in my family and that I didn't marry into this family.

I agree 100% with your entire post, but in regards to what I've bolded, I believe Cindy's goal was to derail LE by finding Caylee's remains first and permanently disposing of them. If it can ever be proven that she did, in fact, send DC to Suburban with the goal of finding and disposing of Caylee's remains, I feel Cindy should be charged with accessory after the fact.

In the past almost three years, Cindy has gone to great lengths to try to cast blame and frame others, and the general impression is that Cindy would stop at nothing to get Casey free. It's because of that impression that I feel Cindy is capable of physical interference into a police investigation by finding and removing the key evidence - Caylee's remains.

Taking into consideration that despite the fact that the car smelled of human decomposition, Cindy did clean Casey's car after she got it home from the impound yard and washed Casey's slacks destroying any evidence that was on them, as an example of Cindy's willingness to physically alter the appearance of the car. No one will ever know if she removed some sort of evidence from that car. It's true that she didn't know at the time that the car would become evidence of a crime, but the odor in that car alone would have stopped anyone from touching it.

In the poll question, I voted that Cindy's role will play a prominent part in the trial for the defense. In last week's hearing, Cindy was observed trying to get JB's attention in regards to a law professor she thought was a prosecution witness. I think she sees herself as part of the defense team. She's also been observed shaking her head "no" during a witness's testimony, and having facial expressions that indicate she doesn't agree with the testimony. If she continues this behavior during the trial, it could be construed as trying to influence the jury and she may end up not being allowed in the courtroom except for her testimony.

 

[beach]

Oh, I think that would be CA. I would guess KC has learned that she could literally get away with murder if the only one she had to convince were her mother. I do not think KC is delusional. I think KC has been doing this for years, getting away with doing whatever she wanted and Momma would clean up after her. KC just carried things a little too far until LE became involved and there was no turning back. If CA never called 911 that night no one would be the wiser until they found the remains.

That was my gut reaction, too. CA kept deluding herself about everything concerning Casey - no job, the pregnancy, stealing money, the invisinannny, and on and on and on... She chose to continue to cover, clean-up and deny anything remotely resembling the truth. And, she is STILL doing it. :banghead: So, if I interpreted the article Scamperoo linked correctly, the huge, out-of-control, spiraling snowball starts with CA and ultimately leads to Caylee's demise. I'm not saying that Casey wouldn't have been capable of murdering Caylee anyway, but I sure don't think CA's choices did anything to prevent it.

Had KC had time to think this out I would think she would have told her mother that the real bio dad came for Caylee and she could not say no to him because the A's had kept him out of her life for 3 years. Seeing Caylee now she realized she was mistaken about who the real dad was. That she did not tell her mom because CA would have interferred and Caylee's dad wants no interference from them so KC was honoring his request. KC could have kept this up for years and no one would be the wiser. CA and GA had no rights to ask the FBI to search for her and they would be stuck with KC's word. But then we know she does not think that far ahead. jmo

So how is that for delusional????

Put down that pitcher of kool-aid, LC! :crazy:

 

[JSR]

I agree 100% with your entire post, but in regards to what I've bolded, I believe Cindy's goal was to derail LE by finding Caylee's remains first and permanently disposing of them. If it can ever be proven that she did, in fact, send DC to Suburban with the goal of finding and disposing of Caylee's remains, I feel Cindy should be charged with accessory after the fact.

In the past almost three years, Cindy has gone to great lengths to try to cast blame and frame others, and the general impression is that Cindy would stop at nothing to get Casey free. It's because of that impression that I feel Cindy is capable of physical interference into a police investigation by finding and removing the key evidence - Caylee's remains.

Taking into consideration that despite the fact that the car smelled of human decomposition, Cindy did clean Casey's car after she got it home from the impound yard and washed Casey's slacks destroying any evidence that was on them, as an example of Cindy's willingness to physically alter the appearance of the car. No one will ever know if she removed some sort of evidence from that car. It's true that she didn't know at the time that the car would become evidence of a crime, but the odor in that car alone would have stopped anyone from touching it.

In the poll question, I voted that Cindy's role will play a prominent part in the trial for the defense. In last week's hearing, Cindy was observed trying to get JB's attention in regards to a law professor she thought was a prosecution witness. I think she sees herself as part of the defense team. She's also been observed shaking her head "no" during a witness's testimony, and having facial expressions that indicate she doesn't agree with the testimony. If she continues this behavior during the trial, it could be construed as trying to influence the jury and she may end up not being allowed in the courtroom except for her testimony.

I completely agree. I'm very certain that if Cindy had found the remains she would have had them permanently destroyed.

I'm also in the camp that think both Anthonys need to be kept out of the courtroom during the trial. I don't think they deserve to be there. They claim to be the kin of the victim only when it suits them. They certainly wouldn't be there in support of the victim, only the defendant. I find it appalling they used case law regarding allowing a victims kin in the courtroom in their motion to try to get access to the trial.

 

[pip]

Lie, deny, lie, deny..rinse, repeat.

All through trial.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

Lie, deny, lie, deny..rinse, repeat.

All through trial.

I agree and wonder why she has not been charged yet for perjury. This excuse of he meds being changed will not fly with me. She lied IMO before that 911 call...everyone thought I was crazy back then, but I am gonna stick to my gut feeling that Cindy knew. JMO :cow: