What's in the Minds of Her Mother, Father, Brother Right Now?

[zeeks]

Re: the money issues. As far as we know, prior to Caylee's murder the Anthony's financial issues were due to George losing a huge amount of money on the Nigerian pyramid scheme AND KC stealing/charging over $40,000 from her mother's bank account. I'm not surprised the Anthony's had major money issues once they both stopped working after Caylee's "disappearance". Sounds like they were just trying to make it financially after George's stupid money loss and KC's sticky fingers.

I can't understand why anyone would contribute to CA and GA's "foundation" but then again, based on what our politicians get away with, the old adage is correct, 'a sucker is born every minute'.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Silver linings as seen by Eggtree :-
http://eggtreenews.wordpress.com/

 

[denjet]

The stealing, lying, immaturity, etc were huge red flags. Problem was twofold, 1) CA could not acknowledge the depth of her daughter's psychological problems and 2) the state would likely not remove Caylee from her mother's custody for the above problems (unless CA had her arrested for stealing and even then there would be a risk of what KC would do in re: to Caylee's continued contact with the Anthony's once she was released from jail).

Psychological problems such as what KC had doesn't lead to child being removed from home. The criminal activity would take her away for a period of time but as the biological mother, KC would maintain her rights once she was released from jail and serve her time for her crime.

Agree that CA would have had a tough battle to get custody of Caylee, but I think she could have done it ... having her arrested for stealing would have been a good place to start ... we're talking 10's of thousands of dollars according to what CA stated ... so she would have had serious charges against her ...
CA was the sole provider for Caylee ... KC had NO job and couldn't have impressed DCF with her imaginary ones ... they would have checked them out ...
So you have a high school drop out, a thief and a liar, a mother who refuses to financially support her child and refuses to watch her and take care of her day in and day out ...

IMO, Cindy had a better chance at getting custody of Caylee, or at the very least temporary guardianship, than she probably thought ... I think it came down to not being able to kick KC out of the house and show some tough love ... and then there's image ... what would the family, neighbors and co-workers think ... not exactly a perfect family picture

 

[Schu7]

now that made me laugh..... lol....

I have to say Schu7, you defend your posts very well.... Im very impressed!

Why THANK YOU!:blushing: I have an advantage, I humbly must add. Being old helps. I come from a time where common sense ruled the day. Or now and here, better stated this way. The spirit of the law ruled the courts. Not the picky letter of the law.

Which explains why I took the point of view that Casey would get off in court from the start. My wife took the view of the court finding her guilty, with life without parole as the outcome. Oh the arguing that went on for the 3 years. But I was sadly proved correct in the end. It is court room run by "wordings" that are destroying the judicial system.IMO Both the victims and accused are totally forgotten once a court case starts. Then it is a word fight between lawyers. And no common sense is allowed ever so sadly!!!:banghead:

 

[Schu7]

Silver linings as seen by Eggtree :-
http://eggtreenews.wordpress.com/

Great find!!! There is far more truth in there then in anything JB has ever said. I love this piece!!!:great:

9. If you are ever faced with death threats for helping a killer go free and living off a tragedy, be sure to drive your new, incognito, bright red Jeep (courtesy your murdered granddollar) all over town. I hear Home Depot is a great hideout. And don’t be afraid to get feisty with the annoying, intrusive media you’ve been coveting the last three years. Driving away with no comment is for people in fear for their lives.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Why THANK YOU!:blushing: I have an advantage, I humbly must add. Being old helps. I come from a time where common sense ruled the day. Or now and here, better stated this way. The spirit of the law ruled the courts. Not the picky letter of the law.

Which explains why I took the point of view that Casey would get off in court from the start. My wife took the view of the court finding her guilty, with life without parole as the outcome. Oh the arguing that went on for the 3 years. But I was sadly proved correct in the end. It is court room run by "wordings" that are destroying the judicial system.IMO Both the victims and accused are totally forgotten once a court case starts. Then it is a word fight between lawyers. And no common sense is allowed ever so sadly!!!:banghead:

Too true! Every time I asked on the Lawyer thread - "But what about Caylee's rights"- I was told she does not have any, anymore. They are so busy bending over backward to protect ICA's rights that the victim is forgotten and it's a miracle anyone is ever convicted.
Then you watch someone like HHJP let JB get away with contempt almost every day ( got to avoid those appeal issues ) and it's disheartening.

 

[GracieLu]

Why THANK YOU!:blushing: I have an advantage, I humbly must add. Being old helps. I come from a time where common sense ruled the day. Or now and here, better stated this way. The spirit of the law ruled the courts. Not the picky letter of the law.

Which explains why I took the point of view that Casey would get off in court from the start. My wife took the view of the court finding her guilty, with life without parole as the outcome. Oh the arguing that went on for the 3 years. But I was sadly proved correct in the end. It is court room run by "wordings" that are destroying the judicial system.IMO Both the victims and accused are totally forgotten once a court case starts. Then it is a word fight between lawyers. And no common sense is allowed ever so sadly!!!:banghead:

You are so very welcome! I couldn't agree more. I really didn't know anything about the judicial system (other than what Ive seen in Lifetime movies, lol) and this trial was certainly eye-opening to say the least. I thought the prosecution did a wonderful job (Im such a HUGE fan of JA, LDB, and Mr. George) and was very confident at the end... Today Im still heartbroken and not sure Ill ever get over it!

About the "the arguing that went on in your house for 3 years", a few weeks ago I was at a family birthday party when a family member made a comment about FCA being innocent. Omgoodness, the fight that went on after that was nuts (lol). My family has decided that we can now no longer talk about politics, religion, and FCA... (although happy to say only 1 family member suports FCA, lol)

 

[snowdaze]

Thanks for posting the video....very helpful. The bit I bolded above....I assume you are referring to comments made about the Anthonys not responding to 'red flags'. I understand what you mean in your comment, but I don't think that this 'breakdown', or whatever it ended up being was by any means the only 'red flag', just as I don't think Ms. Anthony's umm.....problems, for lack of a better word, began shortly before the tragedy. I'm convinced....my opinion, mind you, but I'm convinced that as parents, there had to have been other 'signs' (red flags) over the years of raising her, that the Anthonys would have seen/heard/witnessed in various events and/or behaviors of their daughter, that by most standards in our society would be deemed 'abnormal'. Just seems to me there had to have been missed opportunities to help her, or at the very least, there were things that they could have 'kept an eye on', but apparently did not. An example that comes to mind is her stealing. How long was that happening, without ANY consequences from her parents whatsoever? It's also my understanding that her lying was a very, very long term thing. What parent sits back and lets that go on without doing anything about it?

Untimately, if the question is, how much responsibility for Caylee's death do the Anthonys bear, because they didn't look into, or follow up on 'red flags', I can't answer that. In fact, I will acknowledge that Ms. Anthony acted alone and made the choice to end her daughter's life, of her own volition. But I firmly believe that there is an element of prevention that was within her parents' control, particularly when she was younger and a minor child, that for whatever reason(s), they did not exercise.

Again, JMO.

http://www.forthepeople.com/Downing.pdf I can't find the police deposition but I found the deposition for the Gonzalas case. She also mentions KC talking about an institution, but reading the family relationship tells me they all needed family counseling IMO.

I agree totally with you here. Not sure how long the lying went on but Lee stated he thinks she lies just to lie. Dropping out of high school would have been a concern. CA telling her friends she was a sociopath, where did this come from? Was she diagnosed professionally? In my state, mental health issues are on the list of reasons to be declared unfit. This girl clearly has issues. Why wasn't some professional help brought in? IMO

 

[snowdaze]

The stealing, lying, immaturity, etc were huge red flags. Problem was twofold, 1) CA could not acknowledge the depth of her daughter's psychological problems and 2) the state would likely not remove Caylee from her mother's custody for the above problems (unless CA had her arrested for stealing and even then there would be a risk of what KC would do in re: to Caylee's continued contact with the Anthony's once she was released from jail).

Psychological problems such as what KC had doesn't lead to child being removed from home. The criminal activity would take her away for a period of time but as the biological mother, KC would maintain her rights once she was released from jail and serve her time for her crime.

In my state, psychiatric problems are a reason to be declared unfit and lose custody. But it has to be documented.

IMO

 

[Chilly Willy]

So those figures are basically made up.

I watched quite a bit of the trial. Rarely did I see video of Cindy and George's shoes. :waitasec: Most of the jewelry I saw on Cindy looked like nice quality costume jewelry. One of the comments on WFTV criticized Cindy for wearing sleeveless tops. Another comment I saw elsewhere criticized Cindy for accessorizing her outfits for court. It just astounds me how petty and nasty folks can be sometimes. It almost screams of jealousy.

 

[Chilly Willy]

Speaking as a total fashionista, clothes horse and shoe person, there is no way that CA spent that much money on clothes. Those little summer dresses are fairly cheap. I didn't notice a particularly expensive bag. Now, I'm not a jewelry fan nor was I scoping out her bag so I might have missed out on some of the pieces, but no way would I see their clothes budget as being outrageous. In fact, my mom who worked a factory job all her life not only dresses way better than CA but sports nicer jewelry.

Cindy wears clothes well. I think she has the ability to make a $25 dollar dress look expensive just by the way she accessorizes and carries herself. She even makes t-shirts look good, IMO.

 

[Chilly Willy]

In my state, psychiatric problems are a reason to be declared unfit and lose custody. But it has to be documented.

IMO

Not in most states, unless the parent is violent or abusive and even then it's tough to get custody removed.

 

[mikeysmommom]

Maybe the friend offered them the free trip just because that's the type of thing friends do for other friends. If the A's paid for the trip themselves people would still be complaining, they'd just adjust their complaints to fit the situation.

IMO the ones who complain about the free trip are upset because they have never been given such a gift.Sour grapes:innocent: my mom use to call it.As far as Cindy's jewelry and clothing it seemed just average to me,nothing special or expensive. I honestly believe no one would want to trade places with them but they would trade it all to have Caylee back. I am so sick of hearing about that cruise.They live in Florida! A cruise there costs about 200.00 a person that is not a lot of money.As far as their mortgage getting lowered it was based on their income,this is checked out when they applied for the help.If they made money off of Caylee the state would have been aware.IIRC The Murderer :sick:was the one who profited 300k for the selling of Caylee's pictures and videos to pay:loser: BAEZ.Not the Grandparents! :waitasec::waitasec:

 

[Wendy101]

LOL.. some of the posts tonight are comical ... thanks..I needed a good laugh today

 

[zeeks]

In my state, psychiatric problems are a reason to be declared unfit and lose custody. But it has to be documented.

IMO

Not only does it have to be documented but it would also depend on the psychiatric problem and if the child is at risk. So for example, a mom who is floridly psychotic would get their kid removed. A parent who demonstrates homicidal ideation, delusions, hallucinations and refuses meds. Nothing we see in KC demonstrates psychiatric issues that would be a huge concern for the overworked DFS worker.

Parents lie and don't work. Child services protects parents rights and wants to keep the family in tact. That means that welfare to workfare and parenting skills would have been the most KC would have gotten (outside of the spending time in jail for theft). At best KC would have been diagnosed with a personality disorder (possibly BDP or HPD) and had treatment recommended.

As long as she wasn't suicidal, homicidal, delusional or with hallucinations, her psychiatric problems wouldn't merit a removal. The psychiatric issues that lead to removal are parents who are unable to take care of their children or put them at risk or harm them (physically or sexually). Plenty of depressed, bipolar, borderlines have custody of their kids. We just don't remove a child b/c the parent is a screw up or needs meds.

 

[LetJusticePrevail]

Just wanted to chime in with what I think's ringing thru their minds..."This is excellent! The money train is rolling. Woo hoo, high five, we concur, where's de next plane."

 

[mikeysmommom]

Not only does it have to be documented but it would also depend on the psychiatric problem and if the child is at risk. So for example, a mom who is floridly psychotic would get their kid removed. A parent who demonstrates homicidal ideation, delusions, hallucinations and refuses meds. Nothing we see in KC demonstrates psychiatric issues that would be a huge concern for the overworked DFS worker.

Parents lie and don't work. Child services protects parents rights and wants to keep the family in tact. That means that welfare to workfare and parenting skills would have been the most KC would have gotten (outside of the spending time in jail for theft). At best KC would have been diagnosed with a personality disorder (possibly BDP or HPD) and had treatment recommended.

As long as she wasn't suicidal, homicidal, delusional or with hallucinations, her psychiatric problems wouldn't merit a removal. The psychiatric issues that lead to removal are parents who are unable to take care of their children or put them at risk or harm them (physically or sexually). Plenty of depressed, bipolar, borderlines have custody of their kids. We just don't remove a child b/c the parent is a screw up or needs meds.

In NJ physically and/or sexually kids are kept with the mom even when kids tell what the new boyfriend has done.Esp if the mom gets pregnant with new boyfriend then they do nothing.It is a nightmare how the very system we are told protects the children does nothing until there is a dead or near death abuse of a child.

 

[mikeysmommom]

I get the feeling the A's are sickened by the car. It's still in OC's possession. This is a classic example of how people are just looking for a reason to continue to tear the A's apart. This article says NOTHING about GA and CA looking for a way to cash in on the car or ANYTHING ELSE.

If they crush the car people will say it was to hide the death smell.:crazy:
No matter what they do they will be condemned.:banghead:

 

[Chilly Willy]

If they crush the car people will say it was to hide the death smell.:crazy:
No matter what they do they will be condemned.:banghead:

Right, just like they were accused of having Caylee's remains cremated in order to hide evidence - evidence that hadn't somehow been found in 2 complete autopsies.

 

[grandmaj]

What's in the Minds of Her Mother, Father, Brother Right Now?

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Get back on topic please! Do not talk about your fellow posters or take this thread off topic.