When did John find the body?

[sissi]

BC, you know this picture isn't online, we have all looked for it, the only recourse we have is to believe Kane was lying in the interview if we believe there was no picture. Heck, I'll buy it!!

Back to Bonita.....maybe I will use her as a source..her info is way off, but I will pick and choose some things that may make my case "work".

Bonita papers:
Agent Dressel examined the fingernail clippings taken during the
autopsy. According to the DNA profile developed, there was an indication
of least two persons, the major component being JonBenet. It was Agent Dressel's opinion that if the other DNA component from the fingernails were from a single individual, all samples submitted for comparison could be eliminated. These samples included John, Patsy, Burke, Melinda and John Andrew.

Agent Dressel’s next task was to run DNA testing on the panties worn by JonBenet. Again, Dressel found that if the DNA was attributed to one person other than JonBenet, the same people could be excluded as a match.

The DNA analysis of the trace evidence recovered from the duct tape revealed a human hair, an animal hair, later identified as beaver, and various natural and man made red, blue, pink, purple and brown fibers.

The white blanket found with JonBenet’s body and the swabs of substances
recovered during the autopsy were examined for semen. Serological studies
did not find the presence of semen on any of these items. However, two hairs were recovered from the blanket. One of the hairs, identified as a
Caucasian pubic hair, did not match samples from John, Patsy or John Andrew.
A second hair, was also identified as human head hair several inches long,
Was also examined but no conclusions were reached as to the source.


I'll take this bonita stuff..will be back soon with more

 

[BlueCrab]

BC, you know this picture isn't online, we have all looked for it, the only recourse we have is to believe Kane was lying in the interview if we believe there was no picture.!!

Sissi,

Please show me where in the interviews with John Ramsey that Mike Kane refers to a picture showing the chair up against the train room door. Thanks.

JMO

 

[BlueCrab]

BrotherMoon,

In authoring this poll, you provided four choices. I guess you realize that the first choice and the fourth choice are the same -- just different words.

JMO

 

[sissi]

1998 June 25, 26, 27 - Taped Interrogation interview of John Ramsey by Lou Smit and Michael Kane in Colorado

"Like Patsy, John was shown a series of crime scene photographs. One showed a chair blocking the door into the train room in the basement. To get to the broken window in the cellar, someone has to go through that door. Ramsey found the chair blocking the entranceway during his first search of the basement, moved it and then moved it back, he said.
Lou Smit: "So you think that the chair would block the door and nobody would have gotten in there without moving it?"

John Ramsey: "Correct"

Lou Smit: "In other words, let's say that the intruder goes into the train room, gets out, let's say, that window?"

John Ramsey: "Uh huh."

Lou Smit: "How in effect would he get that chair to block that door, if that is the case, is what I'm saying?"

John Ramsey: "I don't know... I go down, I say, "Ooh, that door is blocked." I move the chair and went in the room."

Lou Smit: "So you couldn't have gotten in without moving the chair?"

John Ramsey: "Correct... I had to move the chair."

Lou Smit: "The thing I'm trying to figure out in my mind then is, if an intruder went through the door, he'd almost have to pull the chair behind him... because that would have been his exit... so that's not very logical as far as......"


Remember, around eight that morning a photograph was taken showing the barstool in front of that door. Why, if John Ramsey went down after Fleet White, saw the chair, moved the chair ,placed the chair back , does this not make sense to you, that Fleet had to put the chair there.

 

[BrotherMoon]

BrotherMoon,

In authoring this poll, you provided four choices. I guess you realize that the first choice and the fourth choice are the same -- just different words.

JMO

Only in your world.

 

[sissi]

BC this is how I believe it happened, the perp entered through that window and hid in the house for a few hours. He set up a possible exit by placing the suitcase under the window (just in case the Ramseys arrived home early and he needed a quick exit). When he left that train room he had to push the boxes and chair aside, it was just kneejerk that he picked the stool up and placed it upright.He kidnapped Jonbenet taking her out the butler door leaving it unlocked. After the child died, someone suggested he return the body to the house, hoping it would dead end an investigation and lessen the chances of being found. When he returned the body he wasn't alone, an adult came along, an adult who was clued in and knew how to remove as much evidence as possible. There are likely fibers on that white blanket ,perhaps carpet fibers from his home. Why would he carry a white blanket at night, there were several inches of snow on the grassy areas in Boulder, old snow, white would be a good choice.
IMO

 

[BlueCrab]

Only in your world.

BrotherMoon,

Since your world is apparently on the Moon, and everyone else's world is here on Earth, I'll consider the source and let that remark slide.

In the meantime, those of us on Earth must add together choice no. 1 and choice no. 4 to find out how many voted for John knowing about and discovering the dead body of JonBenet prior to the 911 call.

JMO

 

[BlueCrab]

BC this is how I believe it happened, the perp entered through that window and hid in the house for a few hours. He set up a possible exit by placing the suitcase under the window (just in case the Ramseys arrived home early and he needed a quick exit). When he left that train room he had to push the boxes and chair aside, it was just kneejerk that he picked the stool up and placed it upright.He kidnapped Jonbenet taking her out the butler door leaving it unlocked. After the child died, someone suggested he return the body to the house, hoping it would dead end an investigation and lessen the chances of being found. When he returned the body he wasn't alone, an adult came along, an adult who was clued in and knew how to remove as much evidence as possible. There are likely fibers on that white blanket ,perhaps carpet fibers from his home. Why would he carry a white blanket at night, there were several inches of snow on the grassy areas in Boulder, old snow, white would be a good choice.
IMO

Sissi,

Did the perp enjoy socializing with JonBenet at the breakfast room table as he sipped on tea and JonBenet snacked on pineapple, after he kidnapped her from her bed and stungunned her?

JMO

 

[sissi]

Sissi,

Did the perp enjoy socializing with JonBenet at the breakfast room table as he sipped on tea and JonBenet snacked on pineapple, after he kidnapped her from her bed and stungunned her?

JMO

You know my stand on the pineapple, no child is going to digest when under the stress of being kidnapped and murdered, the pineapple was not IMO the last thing she ate, her dinner at the Whites should have been in her stomach, as it wasn't ,I feel certain she "threw it up".

 

[BlueCrab]

You know my stand on the pineapple, no child is going to digest when under the stress of being kidnapped and murdered, the pineapple was not IMO the last thing she ate, her dinner at the Whites should have been in her stomach, as it wasn't ,I feel certain she "threw it up".

Sissi,

Please try to understand the anatomy of the human body. The food that JonBenet ate at the White's house that evening couldn't have been in her stomach. Food stays only temporarily in the stomach -- around 1 to 3 hours. It then passes into the small intestine (small in diameter) where most of the digesting takes place. The small intestine is about 10 to 15 feet long. It then passes to the large intestine (large in diameter) where final digestion takes place before being discharged as fecal matter. The large intestine is usually about 5 feet long. The entire process on the average takes about 13 hours, but can occur in less than half that time or more than twice that time.

The cracked crab dinner that JonBenet ate at the White's house was in her large intestine in the form of green fecal matter.

The pineapple that JonBenet snacked on, most likely around midnight, was at the beginning of her small intestine. It was the only food in her small intestine and there was no food in her stomach. Therefore, it can be estimated that JonBenet died about 1 hour after eating the pineapple.

JMO

 

[sissi]

I do understand the workings of the GI tract, sorry I do not buy your version.
We can agree to disagree,correct..my information clashes with yours on this issue, I have offered my argument, including the difference in a pediatric subject under stress.

 

[BrotherMoon]

BrotherMoon,

Since your world is apparently on the Moon, and everyone else's world is here on Earth, I'll consider the source and let that remark slide.

In the meantime, those of us on Earth must add together choice no. 1 and choice no. 4 to find out how many voted for John knowing about and discovering the dead body of JonBenet prior to the 911 call.

JMO

That's an example of BlueCrab's self serving manipulation. No. 1 means John wasn't invovled in the crime but found the body early. No. 4 means he was invovled in the accident or crime or knew about it and was invovled in placing the body in the basement. BlueCrab doesn't want to see the distinction.

 

[BlueCrab]

That's an example of BlueCrab's self serving manipulation. No. 1 means John wasn't invovled in the crime but found the body early. No. 4 means he was invovled in the accident or crime or knew about it and was invovled in placing the body in the basement. BlueCrab doesn't want to see the distinction.

BrotherMoon,

Both No. 1 choice and No. 4 choice had to have taken place BEFORE the 911 call was made. The question being polled is quite simple: WHEN was the body found?

JMO

 

[Nehemiah]

After the child died, someone suggested he return the body to the house, hoping it would dead end an investigation and lessen the chances of being found. When he returned the body he wasn't alone, an adult came along, an adult who was clued in and knew how to remove as much evidence as possible. IMO

Sissi, I respect your theory; I just don't think intruder(s) would come back into a house with a body. They would have the evidence right there with them if caught. Plus, the Ramseys could have gotten up at any point in the night and discovered the ransom note and they could have been right there when he walked or climbed back in with the body. Once inside with the body, he would have had to take awhile to do all the staging. I just think that is way too risky for a criminal. And what would be the purpose of it? Her body could have been dumped anywhere w/out the risk of sneaking back into the house. I mean, leaving her outside in the yard, or even in the back alley would have been easier than coming back inside and doing all that was done--not to mention walking around with a body wrapped up in a white blanket. What do you think?

 

[sissi]

Nehemiah, I am not writing this in stone, because there are many things I don't know. The fact that there is no source that explains why there isn't a matching urine stain, or an area where she "threw up", then add to this items missing , point IMO to another crime scene. The tape, the cord, the urine stains, the vomit, the missing sheets of note paper, the unidentified fibers,are likely in the house where she was murdered. Nothing was staged IMO, she was brought back in and dumped in the wine cellar.
Four red fibers were found on the tape, along with fiber from almost every color in the rainbow. Odd, that those fibers and that beaver hair are not sourced in the Ramseys, if that is where the murder happened.
I looked closely at the window, I copied, edited, blew it up...and see a disturbance, a clearing if you will on one side indicating someone wiped off a layer of debris while entering. IMO

 

[TLynn]

I don't believe Officer French went into the train room - if so, he would've seen the broken window. Officer French was a JERK and didn't seem to go into any rooms.

A chair would have discouraged him from entering...just like the latch did on the wine cellar door.

Perhaps the chair in front of the door was one of the clues that were not made public until John slipped and said something.

Perhaps French and Fleet White saw it, but never said anything.

 

[BlueCrab]

I don't believe Officer French went into the train room - if so, he would've seen the broken window. Officer French was a JERK and didn't seem to go into any rooms.

A chair would have discouraged him from entering...just like the latch did on the wine cellar door.

Perhaps the chair in front of the door was one of the clues that were not made public until John slipped and said something.

Perhaps French and Fleet White saw it, but never said anything.

TLynn,

Yes, it's possible Rick French didn't go into the train room at 6:00 A.M.. But just minutes later, about 6:15 or so, Fleet White definitely went into the train room because he saw the broken window. And Fleet didn't say anything about boxes and a chair in the way.

JMO