When was the last time Lisa was seen alive

[vlpate]

Lisa was last seen at 10:30 p.m. on Monday asleep in her crib at her parents' home.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-mi...al-plea-return/story?id=14670008#.T1AmjvFmJOQ

You are going by what DB said after she said 6:40. Not that I think Lisa was killed or taken prior to the night of October 3, or the morning of October 4, I just don't think one can take DB's version of anything as gospel at this point.

 

[4Jacy]

Lisa was last seen at 10:30 p.m. on Monday asleep in her crib at her parents' home.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-mi...al-plea-return/story?id=14670008#.T1AmjvFmJOQ

And you know this how? Because of what others have said? Sorry, just can't go along with that.

 

[norest4thewicked]

I think that something happening to Lisa Sunday night or Monday while the boys were at school is as possible as it is to have happened that night. As a matter of fact, I think that the entire evening/night could have been staged by DB and JI and this might be why there is so much confusion as to how it could have happened the way they say it did or why no one seems to come up with a reason for so many things. Totally plausible to me.

 

[krimekat]

And you know this how? Because of what others have said? Sorry, just can't go along with that.

reported by MSM/LE . . . and then it changed with other MSM/LE reports.

None of us know -- hopefully LE does, though :innocent:

speculate away . . . :fence:

 

[vlpate]

There were two video tours of the Irwin house on the weekend of October 22-23. The kitchen scene in Cynthia Short's video shows a high chair tray on the counter, as if Lisa was scooped up and taken wherever. Point is, I don't think DB would have made an entire chicken dinner with the tray there. So, was it placed there for the CS tour, or does this prove, at least for October 3rd,Lisa was there that evening?:

In Peter's video, the high chair tray is gone.

 

[norest4thewicked]

There were two video tours of the Irwin house on the weekend of October 22-23. The kitchen scene in Cynthia Short's video shows a high chair tray on the counter, as if Lisa was scooped up and taken wherever. Point is, I don't think DB would have made an entire chicken dinner with the tray there. So, was it placed there for the CS tour, or does this prove, at least for October 3rd,Lisa was there that evening?:

In Peter's video, the high chair tray is gone.

It doesn't prove anything to me. We have no idea when these videos were actually filmed. We have heard from some sources that Lisa was put to bed as early as 4:30. Clearly, no one has come out saying they saw her the evening of the 3rd - or, for that matter, the day of the 3rd.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

Maybe after eating she washed the tray and left it there to dry?

 

[vlpate]

It doesn't prove anything to me. We have no idea when these videos were actually filmed. We have heard from some sources that Lisa was put to bed as early as 4:30. Clearly, no one has come out saying they saw her the evening of the 3rd - or, for that matter, the day of the 3rd.

I know exactly when they were filmed, on the weekend of October 22-23. Peter's was on Sunday, 10/23 and Cindy's was on Saturday or Sunday.

No matter when they were filmed, it was after Lisa vanished. I would like to know whose video was first. If Peter's was first, then the high chair tray is staging for the tour.

This wouldn't be proof of anything either way, just something to consider.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

I know exactly when they were filmed, on the weekend of October 22-23. Peter's was on Sunday, 10/23 and Cindy's was on Saturday or Sunday.

No matter when they were filmed, it was after Lisa vanished. I would like to know whose video was first. If Peter's was first, then the high chair tray is staging for the tour.

This wouldn't be proof of anything either way, just something to consider.

BBM: I agree ... I think there was a lot of "staging" going on for these "home tours" of the Irwin/Bradley home ...

And I agree -- it is something to consider because of the continuously changing stories and timeline from DB and JI -- and especially since there has been NO ONE credible witness who saw Lisa alive on Monday October 3, 2011.

JMO but there is someone who knows exactly the last time when Lisa was seen alive ...

But that person has "lawyered up" as well as :shutup:

MOO ...

 

[vlpate]

Maybe after eating she washed the tray and left it there to dry?

Sort of defeats the purpose not to turn it upside down to dry doncha think?

My question was not why the highchair tray was on the counter, but when it was put there. I don't expect anyone to know for sure, just food for thought.

 

[vlpate]

BBM: I agree ... I think there was a lot of "staging" going on for these "home tours" of the Irwin/Bradley home ...

And I agree -- it is something to consider because of the continuously changing stories and timeline from DB and JI -- and especially since there has been NO ONE credible witness who saw Lisa alive on Monday October 3, 2011.

JMO but there is someone who knows exactly the last time when Lisa was seen alive ...

But that person has "lawyered up" as well as :shutup:

MOO ...

Everything about that night is just too neat and tidy for two mothers with four kids between them. According to them, they sat on the stoop for 3 1/2 hours straight - none of the kids took a bath, brushed their teeth, got tucked in, wanted water, juice, a snack. Had all the kids been put to bed and their adult time started at 8:00 pm, sure, I'd get that, but 6:30 or 7:00? No way, something is being left out, big time.

 

[nivogirl]

You are right vlpate about what you said about the drinking time. I also don't believe that Debbie was asleep for 5 hours straight because if she was asleep for that time, the cell phones would still be on the counter top when Jeremy got back from work. I say that because there is no way for a person to carry a baby with clothes and 3 cell phones at the same time. There would not have been a cat on her bed if she did not go outside to walk in the woods, which is a stupid idea in the middle of the night.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

You are right vlpate about what you said about the drinking time. I also don't believe that Debbie was asleep for 5 hours straight because if she was asleep for that time, the cell phones would still be on the counter top when Jeremy got back from work. I say that because there is no way for a person to carry a baby with clothes and 3 cell phones at the same time. There would not have been a cat on her bed if she did not go outside to walk in the woods, which is a stupid idea in the middle of the night.

I thought that was what pockets were for ... the phones not the baby. :waitasec:

 

[nivogirl]

What if the pants didn't have pockets then? How could they carry all that stuff if there were no pockets to put the phones into without dropping anything.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

What if the pants didn't have pockets then? How could they carry all that stuff if there were no pockets to put the phones into without dropping anything.

that you'd have to ask someone else, I won't personally wear pants w/o pockets. :floorlaugh:

 

[vlpate]

You are right vlpate about what you said about the drinking time. I also don't believe that Debbie was asleep for 5 hours straight because if she was asleep for that time, the cell phones would still be on the counter top when Jeremy got back from work. I say that because there is no way for a person to carry a baby with clothes and 3 cell phones at the same time. There would not have been a cat on her bed if she did not go outside to walk in the woods, which is a stupid idea in the middle of the night.

The cat bugs me - I always think a door left open, but you could be right, never thought about that. She didn't want to go into the "backyard" to look for her because she was scared of what she would find. Such an odd statement.

Start at :15 on the Peter Alexander video - look over his shoulder by the stoop - look closely and you'll see the cat - takes about 10 seconds to really see it, I cracked up. Could this be the stray?

http://www.kshb.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/nbc-get-its-first-look-inside-the-irwin-home

 

[vlpate]

I thought that was what pockets were for ... the phones not the baby. :waitasec:

I agree, if there were an intruder, and it was a guy, he'd likely have pockets. So, let's go with that - which did he pick up first? The cell phones? If so, wouldn't he leave after that? Why go into the baby's room?

If he came just for the baby, why pick up all three cell phones off the counter? Did his electronic "thief" gene kick in and he just couldn't help himself? Silly to say he took them in order that the parents couldn't call 911 - even Irwin and Bradley dropped that one toot sweet.

So did he come in for the phones and the baby was incidental, or he came for the baby and the phones were incidental?

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

I agree, if there were an intruder, and it was a guy, he'd likely have pockets. So, let's go with that - which did he pick up first? The cell phones? If so, wouldn't he leave after that? Why go into the baby's room?

If he came just for the baby, why pick up all three cell phones off the counter? Did his electronic "thief" gene kick in and he just couldn't help himself? Silly to say he took them in order that the parents couldn't call 911 - even Irwin and Bradley dropped that one toot sweet.

So did he come in for the phones and the baby was incidental, or he came for the baby and the phones were incidental?

Obviously I wasn't there, so I really don't know, he could have grabbed the phones, then he heard the baby, or if his motive were to break in for the baby, maybe he grabbed the phones on the way out. Either way phones and baby are missing. I think it depends on who you think a SODDI is, in relation to your question. MOO of course.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Everything about that night is just too neat and tidy for two mothers with four kids between them. According to them, they sat on the stoop for 3 1/2 hours straight - none of the kids took a bath, brushed their teeth, got tucked in, wanted water, juice, a snack. Had all the kids been put to bed and their adult time started at 8:00 pm, sure, I'd get that, but 6:30 or 7:00? No way, something is being left out, big time.

BBM: Good points ... and I totally agree ...

JMO ... but I believe this is the time-frame that "something" happened to Lisa ...

There is much info that is being "left out", and Deb herself has changed the TIME she claims she "last" time SHE checked on Lisa ... first it was 8:00 pm then 6:30 pm -- WHY the change ?

What really happened to Lisa ... and WHERE is she ?

MOO ...

 

[GoodGurl]

I still want to know the last time Jeremy saw her awake. Is there anything where he himself says the last time he saw her - not "a source says he stayed with the kids". Did any interviewer ask him directly? I haven't found it.