When was the last time Lisa was seen alive

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

If. . big IF. . Ji=I did something to BL during the time that DB and PN were at Festival Foods, then yes. But that's not my favored theory. I'm more inclined to think something happened later. . .right before that 12:15am sighting.

Is there a reason you are discounting SB and her daughter's sighting of Lisa, if you are?

 

[hambirg]

i think it was discussed in the jeremy thread ... ?

Thanks! I have been looking for it, but can't find it. And I am not good at finding stuff like this. Hopefully someone like Askfornina, who is very good at things like this will come along and point it out.

ETA- just saw your later post. Thank you!!!!!

Jeremy Irwin told Megyn Kelly of Fox News that the police suggested to him that it was possible that he hurt or did something to his child before he went to work that night.

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-na...ely-refuse-to-cooperate-with-cops-hire-lawyer

And here is the link to the actual videos:
http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-na...ely-refuse-to-cooperate-with-cops-hire-lawyer

 

[hambirg]

Is there a reason you are discounting SB and her daughter's sighting of Lisa, if you are?

Because we have never heard from SB directly. That story to the timeline with the sighting by SB and her daughter was floated by BS, who did not want to be named as the source. We've already discussed this. It's in the Jim Spellman thread.

 

[norest4thewicked]

Because we have never heard from SB directly. That story to the timeline with the sighting by SB and her daughter was floated by BS, who did not want to be named as the source. We've already discussed this. It's in the Jim Spellman thread.

Yes, and Jim Spellman is a very reputable person. If HE thinks it is spin from BS, then that's all I need. Especially since the BS spin is the ONLY place we have ever heard it.

 

[hambirg]

Yes, and Jim Spellman is a very reputable person. If HE thinks it is spin from BS, then that's all I need. Especially since the BS spin is the ONLY place we have ever heard it.

Yep, and IIRC even in that timeline it said that SB saw her and she was "apparently" fine. What does that even mean? Did she just see her laying in her crib, if at all? As far as SB's daughter, as a parent of three kids, nobody is going to convince me that a 4yr old is going to be able to tell what time they saw something. Nope. And again, did she just see her laying in her crib, if at all? Four year olds can be easily tricked. "No sweetie, we can't get french fries at McDonald's today because they are all closed. It's national McDonald's Is Closed Day." Gawd, don't ask me how I know that! :lol:

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

Because we have never heard from SB directly. That story to the timeline with the sighting by SB and her daughter was floated by BS, who did not want to be named as the source. We've already discussed this. It's in the Jim Spellman thread.

I thought we heard that before SB came on scene? I'll have to check tomorrow and see if I can find it, but thanks for the reply. i'm with you when it comes to BS's BS lol but I'm surprised if he lied about SB and her daughter that she hasn't come forward to correct that misinformation.

 

[norest4thewicked]

Here it is:

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[hambirg]

I thought we heard that before SB came on scene? I'll have to check tomorrow and see if I can find it, but thanks for the reply. i'm with you when it comes to BS's BS lol but I'm surprised if he lied about SB and her daughter that she hasn't come forward to correct that misinformation.

But we have never heard from SB directly. It makes me suspicious of her, but really maybe she was totally upfront and honest with LE. They could have very well asked her not to speak publicly about what she told them. It's how LE catches people in lies.

 

[askfornina]

Thanks! I have been looking for it, but can't find it. And I am not good at finding stuff like this. Hopefully someone like Askfornina, who is very good at things like this will come along and point it out.

ETA- just saw your later post. Thank you!!!!!

Jeremy Irwin told Megyn Kelly of Fox News that the police suggested to him that it was possible that he hurt or did something to his child before he went to work that night.

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-na...ely-refuse-to-cooperate-with-cops-hire-lawyer

And here is the link to the actual videos:
http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-na...ely-refuse-to-cooperate-with-cops-hire-lawyer

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Here is a link to one of my posts, it contains links to most of the interviews with DB and JI.

You can find the rest of the interviews here, in the reference forum, in posts #4, 5 and 6.


[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7636487"]JI and DB Statements - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

 

[menmo]

I have heard that theory, that she was shaken by him or something when he was trying to sleep. But the main problem I have is that DB just went ahead and made a chicjken dinner for her neighbor and then 'happily' chatted outside on the stoop for hours. If I cam home from a quick trip to the store, and my DH pulled me aside to say " Hey, I just killed the baby, don't let on that anything is wrong, ok..." SERIOUSLY? How could she have carried on like it was all cool?

My theory isn't that Jeremy did anything to sweet Baby Lisa, but you know many before have carried on after something like this. The very first ones that come to mind are of course, Casey Anthony (I even hate typing her name), Shelby Dasher (Tyler). :furious:

Is there a reason you are discounting SB and her daughter's sighting of Lisa, if you are?

Respectfully, I've never seen anything where SB speaks out about any of that night. Until I hear it out of her own mouth I can't even begin to see if I believe it.

I thought we heard that before SB came on scene? I'll have to check tomorrow and see if I can find it, but thanks for the reply. i'm with you when it comes to BS's BS lol but I'm surprised if he lied about SB and her daughter that she hasn't come forward to correct that misinformation.

But we have never heard from SB directly. It makes me suspicious of her, but really maybe she was totally upfront and honest with LE. They could have very well asked her not to speak publicly about what she told them. It's how LE catches people in lies.

I'm not surprised about SB anymore with anything. I think her loyalty is with her party buddy, Debbie.
I doubt LE asked her not to speak in public about that night because it seems they're okay with DB and JI speaking about it. Nope, I think SB is trying to show DB what a loyal, faithful friend she can be. :sick:
Everyone's loyalty should be to an innocent child named Lisa!

MOO

 

[TxLady2]

I am sensing a sort of desperation in reading these threads and I just can't figure out the purpose of proving that Lisa died earlier than sometime Mon. night or early Tues. morning. Why would they have waited so long to report her missing? It would not take 2 days to figure out a cover story. Deb seems to be smart enough to figure out that her bout of drinking that evening would point the finger straight at her and get her accused of neglecting her children, so what was that all about? As an alibi, it stinks.
Jeremy taking a second shift that night to make sure he had an alibi doesn't make sense... if the deed was already done, he didn't NEED an alibi for that night, he needed it for the time that Lisa was actually killed and disposed of, if it did happen earlier. And I could almost bet that LE has tracked their movements for that whole weekend, even if they haven't come out and said as much.
I also believe that LE would have found an opportunity to talk to those boys by that day or the next day in a way that would appear to be just conversation and find out if they saw their baby sister at all the day before, or what they remember about the time leading up to her disappearance. It's SOP, Investigation 101... try to establish a timeline for when the person was last seen by ALL family members... even kids. Seven years old is plenty old enough to know whether they saw her that day, if asked soon enough. Sure... the parents could have coached them ahead of time, but little kids have a tendency to let the truth slip out, even when they're lying.
Sorry, I'm not buying this theory that it happened a day or two before they say it did. I see no reason to believe it, because 1) it really doesn't matter when it happened, if they're guilty, they're just as guilty one time as another and 2) I see no facts to suggest it happened on Sunday, only speculation. I don't base theories on what COULD have happened... just because it COULD have doesn't mean it DID. If LE believes that Mon. night/ Tues. morning is the timeline they have to work with... that's good enough for me.

 

[vlpate]

I have heard that theory, that she was shaken by him or something when he was trying to sleep. But the main problem I have is that DB just went ahead and made a chicjken dinner for her neighbor and then 'happily' chatted outside on the stoop for hours. If I cam home from a quick trip to the store, and my DH pulled me aside to say " Hey, I just killed the baby, don't let on that anything is wrong, ok..." SERIOUSLY? How could she have carried on like it was all cool?

The problem is, we don't know whether or not DB made a chicken dinner for her neighbor, or sat around with her brother drinking for an hour.

If JI was in on this, IMO, he wouldn't have killed BL, he would have had her taken, knowing DB would be passed out. If DB is an alcoholic, and she had started drinking already that day, it was probably a sure bet that she would drink to the point of passing out. Anyone who knows or has been in an intimate relationship with an alcoholic knows this happens and it's consistent in some with the disease. I lived with an alcoholic and I never once saw him have a couple of drinks and stop - he drank, always, to the point of passing out. If this is what happened, the timeline fits.

The only reason, in that scenario, I can see SB backing her up for earlier in the day, would be SB covering her own behind if she had someone over, or went somewhere after JB left. SB wouldn't know what happened anymore than DB would in the above scenario, so she wouldn't be covering for an accident or murder.

It bugs me that no other neighbors have come forward to say that they heard or saw these "loud" women, drinking on the stoop, for three hours.

 

[SyraKelly]

I know I asked this in the other the thread-I am trying to find out-if anyone remembers if DB brought the baby monitor out to the porch while drinking?

 

[askfornina]

I know I asked this in the other the thread-I am trying to find out-if anyone remembers if DB brought the baby monitor out to the porch while drinking?

It's unknown whether she did or not.

 

[askfornina]

Brought down from the media links thread:

http://www.kctv5.com/story/17082927...ives-continue-to-search-for-baby-lisa-answers

Police have not indicated that they think Lisa disappeared before the evening of Oct. 3.

 

[melissasmom]

Brought down from the media links thread:

http://www.kctv5.com/story/17082927...ives-continue-to-search-for-baby-lisa-answers

Thanks. I noticed that also in the article DeAnn posted yesterday. I am sure some will still have their own speculation, but I bet LE would have said SOMETHING, or it would have leaked out, if they were not confident that Lisa was accounted for prior to approximately 6:40 on Monday when DB said she put her in bed.
JMO

 

[SyraKelly]

Did DeAnn interview KCPD for this story?There is nothing in quotes that says this is a fact from anyone-We don't know for sure what LE knows b/c they have shared very little with us!

 

[DeAnn]

Did DeAnn interview KCPD for this story?There is nothing in quotes that says this is a fact from anyone-We don't know for sure what LE knows b/c they have shared very little with us!

Steve Young was interviewed and quoted. He is named in the story. He is the source. He says they are not revising the time.

 

[Little Ol Me]

Steve Young was interviewed and quoted. He is named in the story. He is the source. He says they are not revising the time.

I really appreciate that you did the article and update. Thanks for helping to keep Lisa's name and case in the news. :woohoo:

 

[SyraKelly]

Steve Young was interviewed and quoted. He is named in the story. He is the source. He says they are not revising the time.

This story quotes SY saying *Its not a cold case*nothing about they are not revisiting the time..unless I missed it!

Police have not indicated that they think Lisa disappeared before the evening of Oct. 3-Not Indicated tells me-they have not spoken publicly about revisiting the time-We do not know if they are or not-Did SY tell you they were not revisiting the time?