Where is Amy's totalled car? Time Line and Ping

[Paladine]

I have a vague memory of George saying something about Casey hitting the median on the freeway, which is what caused the 2 flats. That was in May, so the car wouldn't have smelled at that time. Maybe she didn't take it in for repairs until after Caylee went missing?

Am I losing it or didn't KC tell Cindy, that Zani with others in the car, hit a median and lost her tires, had an accident on a freeway? Anybody help out the memory impaired? Please... Did Cindy and George give the same story...and what about Amy! She had an accident, too! How much you wanna bet the other accidents, Caseys and Zanis happened after Amys? One needs to be inspired, you know. Something like a scriptwriter, but worse...lol...

 

[chizap]

When you hear CA tell the Zani accident story in audio (as told to her by KC) I bet some of that "highly descriptive "story came from somewhere...

 

[shadow of my mind]

Car accident dates and statements.

May 14 Casey went with you and Ricardo M. to Voyage [Club Voyage 17 West Pine Street Orlando Fl] she got flats and we went back to help her at 408 & 436 area. We were at Ricardo’s [232 N Glenwood Ave Orlando, FL 32803] and Casey had left to go home was gone about 10 minutes and called us to help. Casey tried to drive on both flats. Parked it in residential neighborhood and Ricardo and Tony L. drove her home to her house. [4937 Hopespring Dr Orlando, FL 32829]
Page 1319 Lines 17-24 & Page 1320 Lines 6-10 Page 1322 Lines 10-17 Troy B. Interview with LE on 7/25/2008
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May 14 Ricardo, Troy B. and Casey had gone to Voyage [Club Voyage 17 West Pine Street Orlando Fl,] and Casey had 2 flat tires
Page 1285 Lines 22-25 & Page 1286 Lines 1-7 Ricardo M. Interview with LE on 7/25/2008
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May 14 Casey got two flat tires on 408 and called Ricardo and Troy to help. They had been out that night. [Exact location unknown]
Page 1031 Lines 16-22 Amy H. Interview with LE on 7/23/2008
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This was the white Pontiac Casey drove. It was towed back to the A' s home. This accounts for the $80.00 that Casey 'borrowed' from Amy that she never paid back. GA put two new tires on it.

June 6 Amy H. totals her car
Page 1036 Lines 9-11 Amy H. Interview with LE on 7/23/2008
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I have not found any description of what this car looked like. Amy was going to have this car towed to the A's becasue she though she was going to be living there with Casey and that did not happen. There was something said about her having the car towed to Tony L. apartment but it is not mentioned in her statement of where it was actually towed to. I havae not checked out text messages for any additional information. Amy had plans to go to Jacksonville on Saturay June 13 to meet her Uncle who was helping her out with buying a new car. I do not know what happen to the wrecked car.

June 9 Casey picked up Tony from school [3300 University Blvd Winter Park, FL 32792] and took him in her car to the garage to get Tony L.’s jeep. They had Caylee with them. Went back to his apartment to drop off a vehicle, did not say which one, and then went to Subway at the corner of the Target parking lot on the corner of University and Goldenrod Rd. [as best as I can tell Target 3770 N Goldenrod Rd Winter Park, FL 32792]
Page 1007 Lines 6-19 Tony L Interview with LE on 7/22/2008
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Tony L.'s jeep was towed from the apartments and then Casey drove him to pick it up. There is an interesting point about this. In his interview he makes mention that on tht week of June he realy didn't go any where just hung at the aparmnet complex becasue he didn't have his vehicle, Nate took him to work on Friday at Fusion becasue his car was in the shop. The paperwork for the Tom's repair show car coming in on June 9 and out the same day. [I need to re-read to make sure this is correct but this may be why Toms repair guy is on the witness list. Either his paperwork is wrong, Tony L. didn't tell the truth about when his jeep was not working or it may be fact that there is something about Mr. Toms's Repair making a statement about Casey not having Caylee with her when she drove Tony to get his jeep back. For that matter maybe it was not Tony L.'s jeep that was repaired although I doubt it since Tony's dad called in the payment with a credit card.

June 13 Casey returned Amy H.’s text message around 6:15AM about being at the Hospital with GA
Page 1038 Lines 11-15 Amy H. Interview with LE on 7/23/2008
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June 13 Casey told Ricardo M. that her dad had a mini-stroke so she did not go with
Amy to Jacksonville
Page 1294 Lines 13-18 Ricardo M. Interview with LE on 7/25/2008
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June 13 Casey called Amy H. back a couple of hours late when she was driving to Jacksonville
Page 1038 Lines 24-25 Amy H. Interview with LE on 7/23/2008
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Casey was suppose to go with Amy to Jacksonville but bailed out last minuet giving the excuse of GA having the mini-stroke.


June 30-July 5 Amy said Casey was driving Tony’s jeep
Page 1044 Lines 24-25 Amy H. Interview with LE on 7/23/2008
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July 8th -July 15th Casey was driving Amy's 'new' faded maroon/red compact Toyato while Amy was in P. Rico

7/15-16
Lee A. said he 'destroyed' a vehicle key of Amy's that he found in Casey's wallet. He said he new all of the car keys of the famly and he new this was not one of them. [Toyato keys have a huge head on them that is much larger than american car keys] but there is no mention of what kind of key or what size just that he told Amy that he had taken care of the key. My question is why would he not just give the key back to her. In one interview in the check fraud docs that just came out Amy made mention that all of her friends had a copy of her car key becasue she was famous for locking herself out and it was just easier that way (paraphrased). So this key could have been the old key or the new key but it is a question could use an answer.

I hope this helps.

 

[liltigress]

Tony L.'s jeep was towed from the apartments and then Casey drove him to pick it up. There is an interesting point about this. In his interview he makes mention that on tht week of June he realy didn't go any where just hung at the aparmnet complex becasue he didn't have his vehicle, Nate took him to work on Friday at Fusion becasue his car was in the shop. The paperwork for the Tom's repair show car coming in on June 9 and out the same day. [I need to re-read to make sure this is correct but this may be why Toms repair guy is on the witness list. Either his paperwork is wrong, Tony L. didn't tell the truth about when his jeep was not working or it may be fact that there is something about Mr. Toms's Repair making a statement about Casey not having Caylee with her when she drove Tony to get his jeep back. For that matter maybe it was not Tony L.'s jeep that was repaired although I doubt it since Tony's dad called in the payment with a credit card.

June 9th is a Monday.
Do these statements I bolded confuse anyone else?

 

[shadow of my mind]

June 9th is a Monday.
Do these statements I bolded confuse anyone else?

I assumed that when Tony ment he didn't go anywhere for the week and that Nate took him to Fusion on Friday night he was speaking past tense, the previous week. I need to check that repair slip to make sure that the car was only in the shop for a day. Maybe it sat for a number of days before it could get towed or dad said you have to wait for pay day so I can pay for it. Don't know. But yes his times are confusing to me. I have to keep reminding myself this is a guy who tells time by how how many songs play on a CD.

added 3.27AM
See Post 56 on the Anthony L. thread. I went and found the references about his jeep from both interview and the auto repair place.
Jeep was picked up on the 9th and fixed the same day. The owner did not have exact times and he did not see how Tony got to his shop or who he was with.
Tony appartenty was not driving his jeep from May 31-June 9th. Casey drove if she was with him and Nate took him to Fusion the previous Friday evening as per interview.

 

[CW]

First Name RYAN Middle Name W Last Name H
Primary Address N/A City N/A State N/A
ZIP Code N/A Phone Number N/A Date of Birth xxxx xx xx
Race WHITE Offense Date 2000-01-05 Source State FL
Offense 0806.13 MISDEMEANOR - CRIMINAL MISCHIEF OR DAMAGING PROPERTY Gender M

 

[CW]

First Name RYAN Middle Name W Last Name H
Primary Address N/A City N/A State N/A
ZIP Code N/A Phone Number N/A Date of Birth xxxx xx xx
Race WHITE Offense Date 2000-01-05 Source State FL
Offense 0790.15.1 Gender M
This is a different Statue then the offense I posted above this one.

 

[CW]

First Name RYAN Middle Name W Last Name H
Primary Address N/A City N/A State N/A
ZIP Code N/A Phone Number N/A Date of Birth xxxx xx xx
Race WHITE Offense Date 2000-07-18 Source State FL
Offense 0812.014 Gender M
Here is another charge offense date July 18,2000 with a different offense code in the FL statue. He seems to have a nice long criminal record for his age.

 

[CW]

First Name RYAN Middle Name W Last Name H
Primary Address N/A City N/A State N/A
ZIP Code N/A Phone Number N/A Date of Birth xxxx xx xx
Race WHITE Offense Date 2000-07-18 Source State FL
Offense 0810.02 Gender M
It seems due to the different offense statue he had another charge on the same date.

 

[CW]

First Name RYAN Last Name H Primary Address N/A
City N/A State N/A ZIP Code N/A
Phone Number N/A Date of Birth xxxx xx xx Source State FL
Offense NO M/C ENDORSEMENT
Offense No Motor Cycle Endorsement

 

[CW]

First Name RYAN Last Name H Primary Address N/A
City N/A State N/A ZIP Code N/A
Phone Number N/A Date of Birth xxxx xx xxSource State FL
Offense GRAND THEFT AUTO
There is no middle name on this offense but the birthdates match.

 

[CW]

First Name RYAN Last Name H Primary Address N/A
City N/A State N/A ZIP Code N/A
Phone Number N/A Date of Birth xxxx xx xx Source State FL
Offense DRV M/V W/O LICENSE
Again no middle name but the birthdates match.

 

[CW]

First Name RYAN Middle Name W Last Name H
Primary Address N/A City CASSELBERRY State FL
ZIP Code N/A Phone Number N/A Date of Birth xxxx xx xx
Street xxxxxx xxxxxxx Source State FL
Offense 44/35 SPEED POSTED CO ROADS Gender M

 

[Sleuthy]

Just tossing in my 2 cents... I remember reading the WW interview and the section about Ryan's arrest and the comment about the smell of the car in the shop really caught my eye. WW seemed totally infatuated with KC, I can imagine him being willing to do 'anything' for her. But if WW didn't meet KC till July 4th I couldn't figure out he could have helped her with much.
KC did seem to know a lot of guys who were either mechanics or had connections with repair shops. I wondered if she could have somehow caused some relatively minor damage to her car when she was out off the road somewhere, possibly disposing of Caylee's body. Or maybe she took the car in somewhere (after hours ? ) asking for help to get rid of that 'squirrely' smell. Still, if WW was helping her he would have had to meet her prior to July 4th.
I'm new to reading these types of documents and following LE investigations this closely so maybe I'm just reading way too much into this. Just seems to me that LE didn't just make mention of Ryan in WW's interview for no reason.

 

[weasel]

http://jenniferkesse.com/

I remember this case now. So sad. I'm beginning to think the only way anything will come to light regarding this is if someone talks. Just from the facts that are out now, I tend to think the work crews that were in the area may know something that they don't realize they know.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

I will certainly agree that i have never heard of anyone trying to get out of a DUI by offering information. If I got a DUI -I would not expect that to work ..

Hmmmmmmmmm...........that may be why Baez wants to know what was offered to witnesses in this case. There may have been some "deals" to get information. Very common.

Most people who get a DUI don't have anything to offer, but maybe this guy got lucky with knowing something. LOL

 

[CBTampa]

If my memory serves me. Casey had the car towed after the two flat tires.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

If my memory serves me. Casey had the car towed after the two flat tires.

Yes, CBTampa, I think you're right.

About the key -- It sure seems like it would have been easier to give it back to Amy than to destroy it. How do you destroy a key, anyway?

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

mom2chloe, respectfully snipped:

"Could this car have been the one in regards to WW interview, the one that had been in an accident, was being repaired and smelled like a dead body? TIA"

This is the only thing that makes sense!! When LE was asking WW about his connection to the crime tip from Ryan H. about an unknown mechanic at an unknown garage having worked on WW's girlfriend's wrecked car that "smelled like a dead body," I didn't pay much attention because the dates of TonE's car repair didn't fit with this and there was no indication that KC ever had her car worked on.

But Amy's car does make sense. I think I remember some texting between Amy and KC about where in TonE's parking lot she should have the car towed. There was speculation on another thread that this would have made another trunk available for KC to hide Caylee.

Do you think it was Amy's car that the mechanic was referring to, thinking Amy was WW's girlfriend? Or maybe KC was with Amy when she took the car to the garage. Ryan would have known KC because they were both at the 4th of July party.

You're right . . . We need to find out the final disposition of Amy's car to see if this is a real possibility.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

I think Lee assumed it was Amy's key. It could of been TonEs key. Maybe she had made a copy of his key without his knowledge. Did he ever say he knew she was using his car when he was in New York. Maybe she knew she would eventually have to split town ( possibly to California) and this would be her means. She knew one day her parents would come to find her and Caylee.:waitasec:

That makes much more sense that it was Tony's duplicate key KC made. I could not figure out LA's purpose in this unless the baby had been in Amy's car too and he knew it. But, if it was a jeep key, LA would have known it was his sister scamming again and wanted to get rid of it.