Where is everyone connected to this case today?
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Blazeboy3 said:
Blaze, there's lots of info on erotic asphyxiation (EA) and autoerotic asphyxiation (AEA) on the web. Just type the word into any search engine.
IMO the ligature device wrapped around JonBenet's neck was not a garrote. It was for EA. Even John Ramsey realizes that as he describes the killer as being experienced in autoerotic asphyxiation (although he meant erotic asphyxiation).
JMO
Shylock
Former Member
BlueCrab said:
When did JR say that, can you post a quote?
If he did say that, I think that's another indication Burke is involved, as JR would have picked up that terminology as he searched for answers after the crime as to why Burke did this.
Cherokee
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Nedthan Johns said:
Yeah, we fight over you all right.
"You take him."
"No, you take him."
"No way, YOU take him."
Shylock said:
Article by Lisa Levitt Ryckman, Denver Rocky Mountain News, March 19, 2000:
JOHN RAMSEY: "He is a pedophile with a preference for little girls. He is a sociopath experienced with autoerotic asphyxiation, the use of garrotes to enhance sex."
(The Ramseys were interviewed in their Atlanta apartment. It was the only interview the Ramseys granted to a newspaper.)
JMO
Shylock
Former Member
BlueCrab said:
Thank you BlueCrab, from your info I was able to locate the article here: http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/extra/ramsey/0319rams1.shtml
I think this is another important clue that points right to Burke as the perp. If Burke was involved, after the crime, John Ramsey would have been searching for answers: What went wrong? How did this happen? Why did Burke do this?
His search for those answers would have taken him right down the AeA path, and his statement 4 years ago shows he has been that route.
BrotherMoon
Former Member
The cord around the neck was pulled tight and did not slip back. AE devices slip back easily so they can be re-applied. There is no evidence from the construction of the garrote that a loop was constructed first then placed around the head. The cord could have been placed around the neck first and the knots made second. The construction of the garrote rules out AE.
why_nutt
New Member
I have not often given credence to Bluecrab's theory, primarily because autoerotic and erotic asphyxiation is associated with teenagers at the younger end of the spectrum. But now I have found this reference from a respected source, and have some cause to wonder.
http://journalsip.astm.org/JOURNALS/FORENSIC/PAGES/2281.htm
A case of sexual asphyxiation is described involving children, adolescent males, homosexuality and two bizarre strangulations.
Two adolescent males (ages 13 & 10) initially engaged in homosexual activity in conjunction with sexual asphyxiation. This unusual activity was by chance observed by one of the boy's younger brother and his friend. The younger children (aged 7 & 8) expressed a desire to join in the activity, which they did by letting ligatures be tied around their necks and engaging in anal intercourse to the point of fatal asphyxiation.
This case is of interest in the reported way the younger boys discovered the practice (a sexually explicit magazine) and is unusual because of the young ages of the boys involved.
http://journalsip.astm.org/JOURNALS/FORENSIC/PAGES/2281.htm
A case of sexual asphyxiation is described involving children, adolescent males, homosexuality and two bizarre strangulations.
Two adolescent males (ages 13 & 10) initially engaged in homosexual activity in conjunction with sexual asphyxiation. This unusual activity was by chance observed by one of the boy's younger brother and his friend. The younger children (aged 7 & 8) expressed a desire to join in the activity, which they did by letting ligatures be tied around their necks and engaging in anal intercourse to the point of fatal asphyxiation.
This case is of interest in the reported way the younger boys discovered the practice (a sexually explicit magazine) and is unusual because of the young ages of the boys involved.
Britt
New Member
IMO, John Ramsey's suggestion of AEA only confirms that it was not.
"Hey, guys, lookie over THERE" a/k/a STAGING.
"Hey, guys, lookie over THERE" a/k/a STAGING.
Imon128
Former Member
IMO, JAR fits the bill.
Ivy
Inactive
Wow, why_nutt, thanks for posting that information and the link! I remember reading a few posts at JusticeWatch years ago, in which a poster said that one of her kids attended the same school as Burke, and that some kids there were playing "choking games" in the same time period as JonBenet's death. I don't know if she reported it, but if she did, I doubt the BPD investigated. Why would they? They didn't seem to think of Burke as capable of much of anything.
According to the Rykman article, when John and Patsy were asked if they'd cover for each other, they both answered, "No." However, when it came to Burke, they hedged.
But both Ramseys agree it would be more tempting to cover up for your child than for your spouse. "The love of a child is unconditional," John said. "So that presents a much bigger dilemma, if you love that child unconditionally, and yet they've done this horrible thing. But if you love that child, you've got to get help for that child. It's a tougher question to think through."
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IMO
According to the Rykman article, when John and Patsy were asked if they'd cover for each other, they both answered, "No." However, when it came to Burke, they hedged.
But both Ramseys agree it would be more tempting to cover up for your child than for your spouse. "The love of a child is unconditional," John said. "So that presents a much bigger dilemma, if you love that child unconditionally, and yet they've done this horrible thing. But if you love that child, you've got to get help for that child. It's a tougher question to think through."
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Shylock
Former Member
Not so fast BrotherMoon. Remember that if Burke was attempting AeA on his sister he wouldn't have exactly been an expert at garrote construction or AeA. In fact, it would have probably been his first attempt at it, or the Ramseys would have seen marks on her neck on some previous occasion.BrotherMoon said:
Your comments about the wrong type of construction and the garrote not working right point right at an inexperienced kid instead of away from him.
BrotherMoon said:
Brothermoon,
You just described my main erotic asphyxiation theory almost perfectly. IMO the reason JonBenet is dead is because the EA device was put together incorrectly by kids who didn't know what they were doing. They had only a general knowledge of an extremely dangerous masturbation technique, and it led to the accidental asphyxiation of JonBenet.
JMO
Blazeboy3
Inactive
Toth said:
IMHO...still among US and looking in the mirror everyday w/o a "conscience"!!!
FYI(from dictionary word CONSCIENCE):
Main Entry: blame·wor·thy
Pronunciation: -"w&r-thE
Function: adjective
Date: 14th century
: being at fault : deserving blame
- blame·wor·thi·ness noun
synonyms BLAMEWORTHY, BLAMABLE, GUILTY, CULPABLE mean deserving reproach or punishment. BLAMEWORTHY and BLAMABLE apply to any degree of reprehensibility <conduct adjudged blameworthy> <an accident for which no one is blamable>. GUILTY implies responsibility for or consciousness of crime, sin, or, at the least, grave error or misdoing <guilty of a breach of etiquette>. CULPABLE is weaker than guilty and is likely to connote malfeasance or errors of ignorance, omission, or negligence <culpable neglect>.
Blazeboy3
Inactive
why_nutt said:
Interesting info; Thank You! IMHO "Roswell" rings a bell in my head of ALIENS(not normal beings?) AMONG US (book by Ruth Montgomery; read it?). Here's an interesting article/read(URL below) if passing TIME(sorry if a repeat).
http://web.dailycamera.com/extra/ramsey/1997/01/05-2.html
Grandmother blasts media onslaught By ALLI KRUPSKI Camera Staff Writer
January 5, 1997
ROSWELL, Ga. -- The media attention surrounding JonBenet Ramsey's murder has devastated the family, the 6-year-old's grandmother said in an interview at her home here Saturday.
"We've lost our little girl, and now the press is trying to destroy my son-in-law," Nedra Paugh said. "I don't know why they're doing that."
Paugh made her comments nine days after the Boulder child's body was found in the wine cellar of the Ramsey family's Chautauqua home.
"I was so thankful that her little body was left behind," said Paugh, the girl's maternal grandmother. "There is someone out there who is vicious and a monster, and if he can do this once, he can do it again."
Q: Why would a "monster"/soon-to-be killer (DOI pbk) leave JonBenet in ONE piece for a PROPER buriel?
:razz: :boohoo:SisterSocks
What a wild and crazy trip its been
How could it have been JAR. I tend think he or his "BUDs"
Just can't get the Timeline down. What is your timeline for JAR did it ?
Socks
Just can't get the Timeline down. What is your timeline for JAR did it ?
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