Where is Madeleine? Where is she?

[pinto]

I read somewhere that this happens a lot. It's not just people on holiday/vacation either. It happens here in the states all the time. We just never hear about it until/if something happens.


....Yes, but these same accidents can happen with parent in the next room too.

And kids can be taken from their beds, too, while the parents are home. Isn't that how it happened with Smart and Van Dam?

Of course it makes it less likely, but it is possible. If the parents were at the apartment next door, same thing. Would we be all over them if they were in the same building, but not the same unit? Where is the line?

Now, this doesn't mean I don't think going 75 yd away is irresponsible, because that is too far for me. But right now, I'm sitting in my family room. If someone comes in the front door, I can't hear it unless the dog barks. The stairs are by the front door, and you could run up, swipe my child, and I'd never know.

So I'm not going to blame a kidnapping, if that's what happened, solely on the distance. If you leave your car in the driveway with its engine on to heat it up in the cold winter, is it a risk? Yes, a small one. But it still takes a criminal to steal it.

 

[angelmom]

And kids can be taken from their beds, too, while the parents are home. Isn't that how it happened with Smart and Van Dam?

Of course it makes it less likely, but it is possible. If the parents were at the apartment next door, same thing. Would we be all over them if they were in the same building, but not the same unit? Where is the line?

Now, this doesn't mean I don't think going 75 yd away is irresponsible, because that is too far for me. But right now, I'm sitting in my family room. If someone comes in the front door, I can't hear it unless the dog barks. The stairs are by the front door, and you could run up, swipe my child, and I'd never know.

So I'm not going to blame a kidnapping, if that's what happened, solely on the distance. If you leave your car in the driveway with its engine on to heat it up in the cold winter, is it a risk? Yes, a small one. But it still takes a criminal to steal it.

Please go lock your front door.

 

[christine2448]

The stairs are by the front door, and you could run up, swipe my child, and I'd never know.

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Oh, good nite my poster friends, I am crashin'! My children are in bed (alarmed windows) and all doors are locked (also alarmed and ON).....WS has really changed the way I 'walk' in this world. We should not be paranoid, but we should be smart, IMO, FWIW.

 

[pinto]

Please go lock your front door.

Well, yes, it's all hypothetical (my kids are too old to steal, really), but ... it's worth remembering. I live in a really really safe neighborhood, statistically speaking. Sometimes I don't lock my door until I go upstairs to bed, that is true.

I know, "you can't be too safe," but when you feel safe, sometimes you forget. Hopefully it doesn't mean that I'mautomatically a suspect if something bad happens ... maybe it's even the opposite? My innocent mind doesn't think about criminal activity all the time, so I let my guard down.

In any case, I agree with the posters who caution to not let the neglect factor weigh too much toward the suspicion of the McCanns UNTIL there is some better evidence against them. Everything is hearsay, in the biggest way, right now.

 

[pinto]

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Oh, good nite my poster friends, I am crashin'! My children are in bed (alarmed windows) and all doors are locked (also alarmed and ON).....WS has really changed the way I 'walk' in this world. We should not be paranoid, but we should be smart, IMO, FWIW.

Sure, but I think WS probably makes us feel that these things are waaaaay more likely to happen than they are. Your kids are in far greater danger (like, 100 times more likely to die) when buckled into their car seats than mine are when they are in bed with all the windows and doors unlocked.

But we are numbed to car accidents, whereas child stealing is sensationalized.

(And no, I don't leave my doors and windows open at night; and I'm not criticizing your driving -- just looking for some perspective.)

 

[AfterMidnight]

Sure, but I think WS probably makes us feel that these things are waaaaay more likely to happen than they are. Your kids are in far greater danger (like, 100 times more likely to die) when buckled into their car seats than mine are when they are in bed with all the windows and doors unlocked.

But we are numbed to car accidents, whereas child stealing is sensationalized.

(And no, I don't leave my doors and windows open at night; and I'm not criticizing your driving -- just looking for some perspective.)

I agree with that, but only to a point. I grew up in SmallTown, USA, during the Happy Days era of the 50's. I call myself AfterMidnight because I often walked alone after midnight. I learned years later, after my cousing was murdered by person(s) unknown, there were 2 or 3 serial killers roaming our neck of the woods.

So, ya see, I believe these things are way more likely to happen than most of us can even comprehend, especially these days.

I believe there's a lot more going on in this case than meets the eye. The simple answer may usually be the right one - but not always. There are cases so weird and convulted, no one could ever make it up and be believed.

 

[philamena]

I agree with that, but only to a point. I grew up in SmallTown, USA, during the Happy Days era of the 50's. I call myself AfterMidnight because I often walked alone after midnight. I learned years later, after my cousing was murdered by person(s) unknown, there were 2 or 3 serial killers roaming our neck of the woods.

So, ya see, I believe these things are way more likely to happen than most of us can even comprehend, especially these days.

I believe there's a lot more going on in this case than meets the eye. The simple answer may usually be the right one - but not always. There are cases so weird and convulted, no one could ever make it up and be believed.

My deepest sympathies on your loss. And agree with you. We live in a different era.....I too was raised in the late 50's, early 60's and today's world is different and filled with evil. I agree with you about alot going on in the McCann case.
Good post :clap:

 

[SleuthMom]

I am trying to respectfully understand the reasoning of some posters. If no matter what you do (leave the door locked or unlocked, leave your kids alone or supervised, etc etc etc) a perp can break in and take your child ....then why do we even bother with alarms, locks in our doors, babysitters and alarms in our cars, baby monitors, etc???

Guys, I sincerely think we need to use a little common sense here. I mean, I can be walking down the road now and a car can run to me and kill me...does it mean I am going to purposely walk in the middle of the road to wait for that car to kill me??? No, unless I am an idiot.

This exact same reasoning applies here. Just because a perp can break in anyways and take your child no matter what you do ( unless you are an idiot or don't care at all about your kids) you are NOT going to leave the doors open and three tots under 3 by themselves in a foreign country!!!!!!!! because....if "happens, will happen anyways with or without supervision"

I do not think ANY of us reason like this, now do we?

 

[Jeana (DP)]

I am trying to respectfully understand the reasoning of some posters. If no matter what you do (leave the door locked or unlocked, leave your kids alone or supervised, etc etc etc) a perp can break in and take your child ....then why do we even bother with alarms, locks in our doors, babysitters and alarms in our cars, baby monitors, etc???

Guys, I sincerely think we need to use a little common sense here. I mean, I can be walking down the road now and a car can run to me and kill me...does it mean I am going to purposely walk in the middle of the road to wait for that car to kill me??? No, unless I am an idiot.

This exact same reasoning applies here. Just because a perp can break in anyways and take your child no matter what you do ( unless you are an idiot or don't care at all about your kids) you are NOT going to leave the doors open and three tots under 3 by themselves in a foreign country!!!!!!!! because....if "happens, will happen anyways with or without supervision"

I do not think ANY of us reason like this, now do we?

Well as parents we need to do everything within our powers to protect our children. Unfortunately, there are some things that are out of our control. Until recently, I had a hard time believing that a perp would go into someone else's home and remove a child. We now know that it happens. However, in this case, that doesn't explain the "alleged" evidence that points to Mrs. McCann. We all know that unless they can rule her out as a suspect, they've got to follow the trail that unfortunately led to her.

 

[SleuthMom]

Jeana:

]Well as parents we need to do everything within our powers to protect our children.

Exactly!

Unfortunately, there are some things that are out of our control. Until recently, I had a hard time believing that a perp would go into someone else's home and remove a child. We now know that it happens.

Yes and that's why as parents we should try our best to protect our kids but leaving three tots by themselves while you go party is beyond me. To be honest with you, I do not buy for a second they thought it was "Safe". I mean, even the most uneducated person KNOWS is not safe, how come two doctors would think it was? To me, they just simply (as hard as it may sound) did not care, they just took the risk because they wanted to enjoy themselves.

However, in this case, that doesn't explain the "alleged" evidence that points to Mrs. McCann. We all know that unless they can rule her out as a suspect, they've got to follow the trail that unfortunately led to her.

Correct, the question is now how much evidence the police REALLY has? I want to believe IF they have STRONG evidence, they would have been back to Portugal by now, no?

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Correct, the question is now how much evidence the police REALLY has? I want to believe IF they have STRONG evidence, they would have been back to Portugal by now, no?

No, not necessarily. We're used to how they do things here in the United States. Portugal law is much different. Here, they would have ruled out the parents first. They did not do that. Here, they would have obtained a search warrant for the property and any DNA samples needed from the parents. They did not do that. So, while we're hearing rumors about this and that, we don't actually KNOW anything for a fact. The truth of the matter is that we don't know the truth about anything. So far, all we have are rumors and speculation.

 

[pinto]

I am trying to respectfully understand the reasoning of some posters. If no matter what you do (leave the door locked or unlocked, leave your kids alone or supervised, etc etc etc) a perp can break in and take your child ....then why do we even bother with alarms, locks in our doors, babysitters and alarms in our cars, baby monitors, etc???

Guys, I sincerely think we need to use a little common sense here. I mean, I can be walking down the road now and a car can run to me and kill me...does it mean I am going to purposely walk in the middle of the road to wait for that car to kill me??? No, unless I am an idiot.

This exact same reasoning applies here. Just because a perp can break in anyways and take your child no matter what you do ( unless you are an idiot or don't care at all about your kids) you are NOT going to leave the doors open and three tots under 3 by themselves in a foreign country!!!!!!!! because....if "happens, will happen anyways with or without supervision"

I do not think ANY of us reason like this, now do we?

No, and I don't think anyone actually said that, did they? I said it is much less likely that a child is taken from a supervised house, but that it isn't impossible. We've seen it before.

The reasoning is that there is a very black-and-white vibe going on re the parents' actions. I think it should be a little more gray. Others have said the same. This kind of thing happens all the time, but you don't hear about it unless something bad happens. Usually nothing bad happens.

It's just the need to separate the "they were unlucky" from "they messed up" from "they had it coming" from "they must be murderers" memes.

 

[Rino]

It's just the need to separate the "they were unlucky" from "they messed up" from "they had it coming" from "they must be murderers" memes.

Did anyone ever say they had it coming, ever? Or they must (may is the proper term here) be murderers based on them leaving their children unattended as a sole reason?

 

[SleuthMom]

Pinto:

The reasoning is that there is a very black-and-white vibe going on re the parents' actions. I think it should be a little more gray.

Not sure if I agree with this. We are not dealing with two parents whose child is missing. We are dealing with two parents who are also official suspects in their daughter's disappearance.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Did anyone ever say they had it coming, ever? Or they must (may is the proper term here) be murderers based on them leaving their children unattended as a sole reason?

I don't remember having seen that.

 

[april4sky]

No, not necessarily. We're used to how they do things here in the United States. Portugal law is much different. Here, they would have ruled out the parents first. They did not do that. Here, they would have obtained a search warrant for the property and any DNA samples needed from the parents. They did not do that. So, while we're hearing rumors about this and that, we don't actually KNOW anything for a fact. The truth of the matter is that we don't know the truth about anything. So far, all we have are rumors and speculation.

That says it all for me. In a nutshell!!!

 

[BethInAK]

I am trying to respectfully understand the reasoning of some posters. If no matter what you do (leave the door locked or unlocked, leave your kids alone or supervised, etc etc etc) a perp can break in and take your child ....then why do we even bother with alarms, locks in our doors, babysitters and alarms in our cars, baby monitors, etc???

Why bother supervising them at all?
I mean, if kids can get injured even if you watch them and childproof your house, and if kids can get kidnapped even if you lock your front door and stay in the next room, then whats the point right?

In fact, tomorrow, when I come to work I'll just leave 27 month old Monk at home instead of dropping him off at school, since conceivably he could get injured at school, right?

 

[Salem]

Oh Beth - don't do that!:crazy:

We watch them so we have every opportunity to scare that kidnapper away or stop the bleeding, or blow air into their little lungs until help arrives.

We watch them so that we are there to pass out the encouragement that little ones need everytime they try to do something new and to pass out the love whenever they feel they need it and to comfort them whenever they get their feelings hurt, or their toes stepped on. :blowkiss:

We watch them to protect them to the best of our abilities no matter what they face during the day or night.

I could say so much more, but then I would really be parent bashing the McCanns and any other parents who might think it is okay not to be there to protect their children when the need arises:banghead: , so I will stop here.

Salem

 

[Shazza]

Oh Beth - don't do that!:crazy:

We watch them so we have every opportunity to scare that kidnapper away or stop the bleeding, or blow air into their little lungs until help arrives.

We watch them so that we are there to pass out the encouragement that little ones need everytime they try to do something new and to pass out the love whenever they feel they need it and to comfort them whenever they get their feelings hurt, or their toes stepped on. :blowkiss:

We watch them to protect them to the best of our abilities no matter what they face during the day or night.

I could say so much more, but then I would really be parent bashing the McCanns and any other parents who might think it is okay not to be there to protect their children when the need arises:banghead: , so I will stop here.

Salem

That brought tears to my eyes Salem, I think all of the parents here would agree with you.

 

[pinto]

Did anyone ever say they had it coming, ever? Or they must (may is the proper term here) be murderers based on them leaving their children unattended as a sole reason?

I called it a meme, not a quotation.

And yes, there is definitely the sense that they had it coming ... you leave your kids alone, and you deserve what you get. There are posts about them NOT being victims, because of their actions. And the posters who criticize them the most for leaving the kids alone are generally the posters who tend to believe they are the killers, as well.

Now, statistically speaking, they ARE more likely to have something to do with it than not. But that's all I'm willing to say at this point ....