Where would you put a dead body?

[Muzikman]

Nice colors - probably a digital camera test photo.(?)

BTW, Thanks VERY much Muzikman, for sharing the CD contents with us. You are a real friend!

No prob, hopefully by all working together we can figure out where she put Caylee!

 

[not_my_kids]

I think Casey originally intended to torch the car with Caylee's body in it, but she couldn't find a secluded enough spot or she thought she had a better idea or something or the sort.

 

[Can't Sleep]

I just had a sick thought and it scared me so I want to share.

I spent so much time last night thinking about "how would I get rid of a body" that I've been thinking about it today.

It just occurred to me, what if Casey took Caylee to the back yard after she was dead and borrowed the shovel to cut off her arms and legs, so she could dispose of her in pieces - more easily. We've agreed that a 40 pound child with 10-20 pounds of weights would be very heavy for someone 5'2" and 110 lbs...

Surely she could not be this horrible, right? But that would explain the decomp hits by cadaver dogs and maybe she buried the parts all over the yard - before deciding that wasn't a good idea.

I've never thought for a minute that she could actually dig a grave-sized hole in the back yard but a few little teeny holes might be a lot easier. I hope I'm wrong. I'm gonna have nightmares.

Sorry if this has been discussed someplace else. It's a new thought for me and makes me sick to my stomach.

 

[Baznme]

If it were me? I would go with a dumpster behind a restaurant or apartment complex in the dead of night.

IMO It could be either near Sawgrass or near ZG's addy at the time. Or could be the motel dumpster. Was Casey trying to plant clues to frame ZG? She gave the name and appeared to have knowlege of ZG's life, the Sawgrass connection, she then parked near a dumpster, said she was near. IMO, she saw ZG at Sawgrass, saw info on her, maybe looked her up on MySpace, paid attention to all the details, but didn't look at her pics too long. Maybe even followed her for a time. She gave details to LE, got most of them right, but when she was shown a pic, she didn't recognize it because when she looked at the pics she had paid attention to the details that were important to her (dress, hairstyles, etc) not the facial features. What was that comment she gave, something about if they had listened to what she "would" have said? ZG will figure heavily into this, and I don't mean that she is knowingly connected. I mean that I think that Casey worked out a scenario that connected ZG to where she left Caylee.

Why not the others? Burning: it would involve an isolated area in the woods, Casey first carrying Caylee to the site, then carrying full gas cans, standing around and watching a fire, and pouring gas on the fire. Too much work.

Alligators: It would involve Casey putting herself near the alligators and an isolated area. I don't think Casey has the nerve to go near the alligators.

Dump in the woods: this one is a strong second possibility.

Dump in water: this is a third possibility. Though I think she might worry about the remains surfacing and would be less likely to do this one. Also, fear of alligators.

Burying: She didn't have the equipment to bury her anywhere but the A home and she wasn't there long enough, plus it would be too much work for her.

Wasn't Z staying in a motel for a while? Maybe that's where she dumped the body???

 

[babycat]

As awful as this thread is, I almost didn't reply...BUT for the sake of brainstorming...

First, I'd like to say that

a) I think Casey used the chloroform to knock Caylee out before she killed her- probably via suffocation. I think she probably was able to rationalize it to herself that way, ridding herself of some of the guilt thinking that Caylee "didn't suffer" or "just went to sleep" I also believe Caylee is wrapped in plastic (and/or a blanket).

And might I add, that it just KILLS me that little Caylee doesn't even have her doll. For some reason that breaks my heart to no end...

b) I don't think the Anthony's (George and Cindy) know WHERE Caylee is- but I do think they were liming the yard with the intent of covering for Casey, just in case she put the body there. They KNEW there were cadaver hits, and maybe were scared TES would look, or police would look again. I think they'd lime all of Florida, given the chance.

And FINALLY, to answer the post, (I shudder to think that I'm even thinking of this) I'd take a body to a landfill in a bag with lime and lots of trash.

Ugh. I feel like I need a shower even thinking about that.

 

[Kitty Kat]

I think if I was in Florida I would say an alligator infested pond. I would think that any type of meat whether it be human or animal would not last very long in there

 

[Zoe Bogart]

I just had a sick thought and it scared me so I want to share.

I spent so much time last night thinking about "how would I get rid of a body" that I've been thinking about it today.

It just occurred to me, what if Casey took Caylee to the back yard after she was dead and borrowed the shovel to cut off her arms and legs, so she could dispose of her in pieces - more easily. We've agreed that a 40 pound child with 10-20 pounds of weights would be very heavy for someone 5'2" and 110 lbs...

Surely she could not be this horrible, right? But that would explain the decomp hits by cadaver dogs and maybe she buried the parts all over the yard - before deciding that wasn't a good idea.

I've never thought for a minute that she could actually dig a grave-sized hole in the back yard but a few little teeny holes might be a lot easier. I hope I'm wrong. I'm gonna have nightmares.

Sorry if this has been discussed someplace else. It's a new thought for me and makes me sick to my stomach.

I said something similar to this somewhere in this thread, I believe. It's a terrible, terrible thought, isn't it, but with Casey, she's done so many things that none of us would actually do: the way she acts, the fact she didn't "mention" the child was "stolen" for over more than a month, she was out partying, the wild goose chases, the made up people, all the lies.......

We know Casey or someone searched chloroform, missing children websites, and Zenaida Gonzalez on her computer in advance of Caylee going missing. These things give me reason to believe this was premeditated murder.

I believe she may have planned to kill Caylee and stuff her into the trunk not realizing the process of decomposition can set in early and so drastically. Maybe she thought she could store her there until Casey got herself out of state - to California, New York, wherever, and she'd dispose of the body along the way.

BUT, decomposition set in rather quickly in the heat and humidity, and being in the trunk exacerbated the deterioration. She panicked when she saw the condition of the body, had trouble lifting it, and began the string of events we're hearing about it: the shovel, backing the car into the garage three times, the gas cans, abandoning the car.........

So, now, let's try to figure out what we would do (and she could have done) in this type of panic situation. Dismemberment sounds horrible, but it could be likely. If she could kill her daughter and drive around with her in the trunk, she could certainly make her more "movable".

 

[nursebeeme]

There is significant 'reported' evidence 1) The POI had not wanted to keep the child from pregnancy, 2) Caylee was a point of contention between mother and daughter from birth with grandma holding the child first, 3) Lee's testimony that Cynthia felt Casey was an unfit mother, 4) computer searches for chloroform, searches for missing children, escort websites on the west coast where MH is stationed, several disturbing pictures including a death penalty poster

The above leads me (my opinion only) to believe that Casey has not wanted her daughter from conception and has thought of getting rid of her off and on over Caylee's short life. That being said, she had plenty of time to think about what she would do and how she would do it. Perhaps it had only been a hypothetical in her mind in the past until she met up with her newest group of friends that really had only interfaced with Casey as a mother a scant handful of times. Whereas her other pods of friends.... (the mother and child friends such as Kristina; Jesse; and the Ricardo and Amy circle of friends) were used to seeing Caylee and did not hear of the "nanny zanny" until Casey adopted her newest group of friends....the TonE group.

I believe that her ideations of Caylee being dead were ramped up upon meeting TonE. This also coincided with her getting caught stealing from her grandmother and an escalation in arguments with her mother. I tend to think that she killed Caylee in a flash of thought.....and a fit of rage that had been lying dormant since conception. She then hid her body briefly in the backyard (where the cadaver dogs hit). The flurry of calls that first week to her dad and mom were in my opinion her attempt to find out where they were........to make sure they were not home yet....vs actually reaching out for help or to talk to them. On the 18th I believe she went back to the house while everyone was at work and borrowed the shovel to put Caylee into trash bags so she did not have to touch the dead body (sorry to be gross there). I noticed that the Anthony's set their trash bags out loosely....ie; they do not have a portable toter they set out.... so that means George most likely has a large can in the garage to hold the separate bags and most likely very large 50 gallon bags to line that can with. I believe she took some of those (3-4) and shoveled Caylee into it. This would have been on the 18th.

I think she drove around with the bag in her car for several days thinking about what she would do. She would not let TonE near the trunk. There were also several periods of phone inactivity this week. As to where she would have gotten rid of the bag I agree with mysteriew that she drove to a dumpster in an isolated location....perhaps around the area of the airport where her pings were located. All of the places that were strange for her to be driving most likely was the result of her driving around, burning gas up, in an attempt to find the best spot to dump the body.

IMHOO.....

ETA: the cholorform....: I believe that it was doused in the trunk after the fact....to make it seem to be a kidnapping and fit with her zanny the nanny story. She did have 31 days to concoct this story...... and if Cynthia had not called 911 that day......she would have had even longer to weave her story more elaborately. I do not think she planned on her mother calling LE. As Lee had stated....her mother had never called the police on her before despite other nefarious activities on her part.

 

[pb6656]

There is significant 'reported' evidence 1) The POI had not wanted to keep the child from pregnancy, 2) Caylee was a point of contention between mother and daughter from birth with grandma holding the child first, 3) Lee's testimony that Cynthia felt Casey was an unfit mother, 4) computer searches for chloroform, searches for missing children, escort websites on the west coast where MH is stationed, several disturbing pictures including a death penalty poster

The above leads me (my opinion only) to believe that Casey has not wanted her daughter from conception and has thought of getting rid of her off and on over Caylee's short life. That being said, she had plenty of time to think about what she would do and how she would do it. Perhaps it had only been a hypothetical in her mind in the past until she met up with her newest group of friends that really had only interfaced with Casey as a mother a scant handful of times. Whereas her other pods of friends.... (the mother and child friends such as Kristina; Jesse; and the Ricardo and Amy circle of friends) were used to seeing Caylee and did not hear of the "nanny zanny" until Casey adopted her newest group of friends....the TonE group.

I believe that her ideations of Caylee being dead were ramped up upon meeting TonE. This also coincided with her getting caught stealing from her grandmother and an escalation in arguments with her mother. I tend to think that she killed Caylee in a flash of thought.....and a fit of rage that had been lying dormant since conception. She then hid her body briefly in the backyard (where the cadaver dogs hit). The flurry of calls that first week to her dad and mom were in my opinion her attempt to find out where they were........to make sure they were not home yet....vs actually reaching out for help or to talk to them. On the 18th I believe she went back to the house while everyone was at work and borrowed the shovel to put Caylee into trash bags so she did not have to touch the dead body (sorry to be gross there). I noticed that the Anthony's set their trash bags out loosely....ie; they do not have a portable toter they set out.... so that means George most likely has a large can in the garage to hold the separate bags and most likely very large 50 gallon bags to line that can with. I believe she took some of those (3-4) and shoveled Caylee into it. This would have been on the 18th.

I think she drove around with the bag in her car for several days thinking about what she would do. She would not let TonE near the trunk. There were also several periods of phone inactivity this week. As to where she would have gotten rid of the bag I agree with mysteriew that she drove to a dumpster in an isolated location....perhaps around the area of the airport where her pings were located. All of the places that were strange for her to be driving most likely was the result of her driving around, burning gas up, in an attempt to find the best spot to dump the body.

IMHOO.....

ETA: the cholorform....: I believe that it was doused in the trunk after the fact....to make it seem to be a kidnapping and fit with her zanny the nanny story. She did have 31 days to concoct this story...... and if Cynthia had not called 911 that day......she would have had even longer to weave her story more elaborately. I do not think she planned on her mother calling LE. As Lee had stated....her mother had never called the police on her before despite other nefarious activities on her part.

This theory makes the most sense of any I have read thus far. I kept leaning towards she died from being left in the car, maybe fell asleep or whatever, and Casey panicked.

Your theory sounds very plausible.

 

[Baznme]

There is significant 'reported' evidence 1) The POI had not wanted to keep the child from pregnancy, 2) Caylee was a point of contention between mother and daughter from birth with grandma holding the child first, 3) Lee's testimony that Cynthia felt Casey was an unfit mother, 4) computer searches for chloroform, searches for missing children, escort websites on the west coast where MH is stationed, several disturbing pictures including a death penalty poster

The above leads me (my opinion only) to believe that Casey has not wanted her daughter from conception and has thought of getting rid of her off and on over Caylee's short life. That being said, she had plenty of time to think about what she would do and how she would do it. Perhaps it had only been a hypothetical in her mind in the past until she met up with her newest group of friends that really had only interfaced with Casey as a mother a scant handful of times. Whereas her other pods of friends.... (the mother and child friends such as Kristina; Jesse; and the Ricardo and Amy circle of friends) were used to seeing Caylee and did not hear of the "nanny zanny" until Casey adopted her newest group of friends....the TonE group.

I believe that her ideations of Caylee being dead were ramped up upon meeting TonE. This also coincided with her getting caught stealing from her grandmother and an escalation in arguments with her mother. I tend to think that she killed Caylee in a flash of thought.....and a fit of rage that had been lying dormant since conception. She then hid her body briefly in the backyard (where the cadaver dogs hit). The flurry of calls that first week to her dad and mom were in my opinion her attempt to find out where they were........to make sure they were not home yet....vs actually reaching out for help or to talk to them. On the 18th I believe she went back to the house while everyone was at work and borrowed the shovel to put Caylee into trash bags so she did not have to touch the dead body (sorry to be gross there). I noticed that the Anthony's set their trash bags out loosely....ie; they do not have a portable toter they set out.... so that means George most likely has a large can in the garage to hold the separate bags and most likely very large 50 gallon bags to line that can with. I believe she took some of those (3-4) and shoveled Caylee into it. This would have been on the 18th.

I think she drove around with the bag in her car for several days thinking about what she would do. She would not let TonE near the trunk. There were also several periods of phone inactivity this week. As to where she would have gotten rid of the bag I agree with mysteriew that she drove to a dumpster in an isolated location....perhaps around the area of the airport where her pings were located. All of the places that were strange for her to be driving most likely was the result of her driving around, burning gas up, in an attempt to find the best spot to dump the body.

IMHOO.....

ETA: the cholorform....: I believe that it was doused in the trunk after the fact....to make it seem to be a kidnapping and fit with her zanny the nanny story. She did have 31 days to concoct this story...... and if Cynthia had not called 911 that day......she would have had even longer to weave her story more elaborately. I do not think she planned on her mother calling LE. As Lee had stated....her mother had never called the police on her before despite other nefarious activities on her part.

I think you've got this nailed. Very logical.

 

[Baznme]

OMG, that's totally diabolical--and really, really clever. :clap:

In Florida, if you dig down about 2 to 3 feet, you've got a hole full of water. You cannot dig very deep as the soil is basically sand with a layer of hardpan (calcified shell layer). It's hard as a rock. So the digging to any depth is not 1) anything KC would do to start with and 2) a task NOT easily accomplished. If I had to do this kind of thing, my thinking would be off an unpopulated county road beyond the treeline a short ways into a ditch or covered with tree branches. The chances of being found anytime soon would be just about nil. There are large stretches of vacant land here and the likelihood of their development in KC's lifetime would be minimal at best.

 

[suzet]

nursebeeme, I love your theory. I agree with everything you said. I, too, think the flurry of calls was to see if the coast was clear, not asking for help.
I agree with her using all that gas to find the best spot to dump the body. Wonder if there are any mileage records available from auto work records. Anyhow, great theory. Makes a lot of sense.

 

[MiraclesHappen]

In Florida, if you dig down about 2 to 3 feet, you've got a hole full of water. You cannot dig very deep as the soil is basically sand with a layer of hardpan (calcified shell layer). It's hard as a rock. So the digging to any depth is not 1) anything KC would do to start with and 2) a task NOT easily accomplished. If I had to do this kind of thing, my thinking would be off an unpopulated county road beyond the treeline a short ways into a ditch or covered with tree branches. The chances of being found anytime soon would be just about nil. There are large stretches of vacant land here and the likelihood of their development in KC's lifetime would be minimal at best.

True, Baz, but further inland such as where I am, you can dig down at least 6 feet and it remains soft, somewhat sandy, and dry.
We have those huge sand or gopher tortoises all over in this area. These prehistoric fellas have immense interconnecting tunnel systems with entrances that use the natural habititat for protection. (Threw in the last part because I am always impressed by how clever they can be).
As a matter of fact, on my profile page, that is a tunnel opening of one of those tortoises, into which my furry girl is peering. This tortoise has put this entrance on the side of an incline.
I had one of those tortoises put a tunnel exit at my yard border at one point. The dog, who does view these tortoises as a mortal enemy and a threat against mankind, dug out the entrance to the hole without a problem...she dug down, till she could completely walk into the hole and disappear. Now she is a German shepherd so that's a big and deep hole. Until I could get my property line fenced to separate the dog from the tortoise, I used to keep a shovel handy in case the new "mine shaft" collapsed on the dog. But the whole thing held.
We have seen other such tunnel entraces, dug out by predators no doubt, out in the woods. The tortoise system is no match for the most zealous digger though.
I am convinced it is possible to bury a body in these conditions, though not convinced Casey would do that much manual labor .
Oh, we are about 30 miles inland.

 

[Lady Loves Lurking]

Miracles is right. I actually have a tortoise and he digs some pretty impressive holes in our yard. They don't fill with water. Further south, in Miami when my GSD would dig he would hit coral. We lived on South Beach.

I think Casey may have had the gumption to bury her but I bet that hole wasn't deep at all. I lean more towards the dumpster or just sort of stashing her in the brush. I'm also beginning to think that whatever they do find of that poor little girl will be far less than a whole body.

That makes me so angry.:furious:

 

[not_my_kids]

My fiancee says he wouls hide a body at the bottom of a very large compost pile.
Which is just creepy that I got him thinking about this.

 

[Lanie]

This is really a hard question I have thought a lot about.

My late step-mother-in-law told me years and years ago this story.
When her father was in his teens, he lived with his parents and siblings. His father was an alcoholic and abusive. He and his older brothers and sisters worked in the cotton fields. One day when they came home, the mother and two younger siblings were no where to be found. The dad said she ran off with another man, but it was always believed he killed them and disposed of the bodies.

I have searched off and on ever since then, probably 15 years now, looking for any trace of these people, alive or dead, and found absolutely nothing.

It seems like it would be so easy to find a body, no matter what was done with it, but even if it is a spur of the moment disposal, sometimes the perp is incredibly lucky and nothing is ever found.

Lanie

 

[suzet]

As to hiking into the woods toward an alligator-infested swamp, that's a good solution, except doesn't that seem awfully dangerous for her?

However, if IIRC, there are some bridges over alligator infested lakes/swamps in the vicinity, and to me that would seem like an ideal solution for her. (No heavy exertion required.) So my vote would be an alligator-infested swamp with a bridge over it.

I like your logic, Dallas W!

I believe someone here mentioned the bridge over Lake Jessup being one that, as you drive over it, you can see the alligators popping their heads out of the water. Can't remember exactly how it was worded, but when I envision this scene occurring at night, it terrifies me.

So now, I wonder how much effort KC would have exerted into body disposal. I know she's lazy and would like the least messy option available, but...

...a scene from the movie, The Bad Seed, keeps popping into my mind. At the end of the movie, the little girl, Rhoda, dons her perfect little rain gear and in the middle of the night during a terrible thunderstorm walks to the edge of a slippery pier to retrieve something that was left there (don't want to ruin the story for anyone who hasn't seen this incredible gem of a movie).

Now, anyone would have been terrified to venture out in the darkness during a storm and walk out to the edge of a slippery pier, especially a child. I was struck by the determination of this little sociopath who would stop at nothing and brave whatever danger she encountered, to accomplish her goal.

I know it was a movie, but as lazy as KC is, I can see her going to whatever lengths possible, whatever it takes, to hide Caylee and not get caught, even if she broke a few nails. I can see her hiking through the woods in the middle of the night. I can definitely see her standing on a bridge overlooking an alligator infested lake in the darkness of the night. Imo, as far as fearless danger, neither of these scenarios can compete with the act of killing your own child.

I have seen no fear in this woman.

 

[kiki the parrot]

There is significant 'reported' evidence 1) The POI had not wanted to keep the child from pregnancy, 2) Caylee was a point of contention between mother and daughter from birth with grandma holding the child first, 3) Lee's testimony that Cynthia felt Casey was an unfit mother, 4) computer searches for chloroform, searches for missing children, escort websites on the west coast where MH is stationed, several disturbing pictures including a death penalty poster

The above leads me (my opinion only) to believe that Casey has not wanted her daughter from conception and has thought of getting rid of her off and on over Caylee's short life. That being said, she had plenty of time to think about what she would do and how she would do it. Perhaps it had only been a hypothetical in her mind in the past until she met up with her newest group of friends that really had only interfaced with Casey as a mother a scant handful of times. Whereas her other pods of friends.... (the mother and child friends such as Kristina; Jesse; and the Ricardo and Amy circle of friends) were used to seeing Caylee and did not hear of the "nanny zanny" until Casey adopted her newest group of friends....the TonE group.

I believe that her ideations of Caylee being dead were ramped up upon meeting TonE. This also coincided with her getting caught stealing from her grandmother and an escalation in arguments with her mother. I tend to think that she killed Caylee in a flash of thought.....and a fit of rage that had been lying dormant since conception. She then hid her body briefly in the backyard (where the cadaver dogs hit). The flurry of calls that first week to her dad and mom were in my opinion her attempt to find out where they were........to make sure they were not home yet....vs actually reaching out for help or to talk to them. On the 18th I believe she went back to the house while everyone was at work and borrowed the shovel to put Caylee into trash bags so she did not have to touch the dead body (sorry to be gross there). I noticed that the Anthony's set their trash bags out loosely....ie; they do not have a portable toter they set out.... so that means George most likely has a large can in the garage to hold the separate bags and most likely very large 50 gallon bags to line that can with. I believe she took some of those (3-4) and shoveled Caylee into it. This would have been on the 18th.

I think she drove around with the bag in her car for several days thinking about what she would do. She would not let TonE near the trunk. There were also several periods of phone inactivity this week. As to where she would have gotten rid of the bag I agree with mysteriew that she drove to a dumpster in an isolated location....perhaps around the area of the airport where her pings were located. All of the places that were strange for her to be driving most likely was the result of her driving around, burning gas up, in an attempt to find the best spot to dump the body.

IMHOO.....

ETA: the cholorform....: I believe that it was doused in the trunk after the fact....to make it seem to be a kidnapping and fit with her zanny the nanny story. She did have 31 days to concoct this story...... and if Cynthia had not called 911 that day......she would have had even longer to weave her story more elaborately. I do not think she planned on her mother calling LE. As Lee had stated....her mother had never called the police on her before despite other nefarious activities on her part.

People (especially emotionally, psychologically troubled people) operate on more than one level--and there is more than one way in which she could have accomplished the end result of her selfish, idealized life. IMO the passive, subconscious negligence scenario, followed by self-preservation and deception are more fitting with what I know about her disorganized, ill-disciplined and disordered personality. Certain aspects of your observations are plausible, but for me it doesn't all fit, or "flow" together in any cohesive way. For starters, for a crime so calculated and carefully planned, there are FAR too many glaring, clumsy, frankly just plain stupid, mistakes. (Without realizing, guess this is why my instincts or intuition have told me otherwise from the beginning.) For someone who'd according to this theory had by this time nearly three YEARS to think about doing this, she sure didn't execute a plan with the slightest coherence nor could she concoct one single story of even remote credibility that could possibly hang together--but rather chose a series of poorly thought, indecisive, spur-of-the-moment compulsive acts, followed by jumbled story after story. All of which have made me, from the beginning, think accident. In many tragic cases but particularly under age four (in a home where there just happens to be a swimming pool), neglect alone--poor parenting and selfish priorities--can EASILY cause a toddler's death. Exact dates of chloroform searches to my knowledge haven't been officially released by LE--alot of speculation, conjecture, and misinformation being passed around. So until we know with certainty, for instance, that the chloroform was used on Caylee (vs trunk) PRIOR to her disappearance, then I'm allowing this may have been part of the cover-up. When the "flurry" of calls are made, she IS at home (prior to which she made only one customary call to be sure GA had left). She WAS totally obsessed w her new boytoy, a new group of friends and this new life of her's, so likely went there to use the internet and was too self-involved to watch her toddler. Within the HOUR she's trying every person possible, on every phone possible. What could have happened there at the house, in the short span of 60 minutes? And if she was planning to do something, why in the world take the risk of doing this at a location where she might be discovered by someone popping in? To further risk borrowing a shovel from a neighbor is yet another glaring indication this was in no way planned. Why take such a risk (simply to "shove" her still intact child into bags or whatever you propose) when she could have secured one beforehand, simply chosen another tool, or worn gloves, w/out alerting neighbor. Besides, if you were planning a crime, there would be, all along in the commission of that crime a consciousness of guilt IMO, and you would be aware from that point forth that everything--from web searches and postings on social networking sites, to phone calls and text messages; from store purchases and stolen checks, to traffic and surveillance cams--is traceable and will all lead back to you. JMHO

 

[Janis396]

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People (especially emotionally, psychologically troubled people) operate on more than one level--and there is more than one way in which she could have accomplished the end result of her idealized life. IMO the passive, subconscious negligence scenario, followed by self-preservation and deception are more fitting with what I know about her disorganized, ill-disciplined and disordered personality. Certain aspects of your observations are plausible, but for me it doesn't all fit, or "flow" together in any cohesive way. For starters, for a crime so calculated and carefully planned, there are FAR too many glaring, clumsy, frankly just plain stupid, mistakes. (Without realizing, guess this is why my instincts or intuition have told me otherwise from the beginning.) For someone who'd according to this theory had by this time nearly three YEARS to think about doing this, she sure didn't execute a plan with the slightest coherence nor could she concoct one single story of even remote credibility that could possibly hang together--but rather chose a series of poorly thought, indecisive, spur-of-the-moment compulsive acts, followed by jumbled story after story. All of which have made me, from the beginning, think accident. In many tragic cases but particularly under age four (in a home where there just happens to be a swimming pool), neglect alone--poor parenting and selfish priorities--can EASILY cause a toddler's death. Exact dates of chloroform searches to my knowledge haven't been officially released by LE--alot of speculation, conjecture, and misinformation being passed around. So until we know with certainty, for instance, that the chloroform was used on Caylee (vs trunk) PRIOR to her disappearance, then I'm allowing this may have been part of the cover-up. When the "flurry" of calls are made, she IS at home (prior to which she made only one customary call to be sure GA had left). She WAS totally obsessed w her new boytoy, a new group of friends and this new life of her's, so likely went there to use the internet and was too self-involved to watch her toddler. Within the HOUR she's trying every person possible, on every phone possible. What could have happened there at the house, in the short span of 60 minutes? And if she was planning to do something, why in the world take the risk of doing this at a location where she might be discovered by someone popping in? To further risk borrowing a shovel from a neighbor is yet another glaring indication this was in no way planned. Why take such a risk (simply to "shove" her still intact child into bags or whatever you propose) when she could have secured one beforehand, simply chosen another tool, or worn gloves, w/out alerting neighbor. Besides, if you were planning a crime, there would be, all along in the commission of that crime a consciousness of guilt IMO, and you would be aware from that point forth that everything--from web searches and postings on social networking sites, to phone calls and text messages; from store purchases and stolen checks, to traffic cams and surveillance cams--is traceable and will all lead back to you. JMHO

If that is true, that is was all an accident and big mistake....where is her remorse, her tears, her grief , for her little girl? There isn't a shred of any of those things, the absolute opposite, in fact. That's what tells me it was a PLANNED and desired act she committed.

 

[MiraclesHappen]

I still wonder what if anything, was purchased at JC Penneys. I would like to know that it isn't a piece of rolling luggage.
What is with the mysterious attitude about that particular receipt? :help: