White Truck Focus and second person in truck.

[Codger]

As a parent, teacher or volunteer, at a smaller elementary school, wouldn't that be different than parking among complete strangers? Instead of some dark colored car, wouldn't the thought be more, oh that's Joe Blow's car? JMO - I think parking at a school like Skyline as a regular visitor you might recognize half the cars in the lot.

 

[froginTtown]

I think that the questioning of where vehicles were parked, should have been done right away... It was opened to the public also...It was advertised on the schools sign.. I wouldn't doubt that vehicles were parked at the church also...

 

[Jasmine_xoxo]

Heather, yes, I agree.

But I think the difference here is that 9/11 and JFK were immediate, televised around the world, and people were talking right away. I went to work the morning of 9/11, but can't remember who I parked next to - although, I do recall my manager's suit color. We all came home close to immediately...

These were shocking, immediate things, both which were threats to our own lives and safety. Kyron was missing for hours before it was even known he was missing...it was not immediate, nor was it widely shocking, and it wasn't a threat to ourselves. I hate to say it like that, but the only threat that morning was to Kyron...and it wasn't even known until much later.

Further, how many people remember which car they parked next to later on the same day, let alone months later? I went to the barn this morning, and on my way, I stopped for some watermelon (for my horse) and a Starbucks (for me...although he'd love one if I gave it to him...LOL). I've been sitting here, trying to remember what car was next to me at the market.

And I just can't. Not really. I do remember a CHiPs car at the Western Bagle, but other than that, nope...just that there were cars. Because nothing occurred right then to make me think "wow, I better look around."

I just don't think it's a valuable piece of information now. It may have been the day or day after, but now? No...too much time for people to rememer, forget, remember what they want to remember, and confabulate hoping to help the investigation. And like I said, a decent defense lawyer would rip this apart in moments...

Just my moooooooooooooo.....mooooooooooooo....moooooooooo ing all day long...LOL.

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Herding Cats

You know I think you're right...
It wasn't until that night when the news broke that people probably started wracking their brains for what happened at the science fair that day.
And like you, I can't remember who I parked next to at Whole Foods yesterday either!!

 

[surrogatemom]

I still remember receiving a phone call at 7:04pm the evening of June 4th about Kyron (via the Portland Public Schools phone system as we have kids in that district). I was sitting in the parking lot of Applebee's and my husband was strapping our daughter into her car seat. I still remember hanging up and making a comment about how they told me his name but not what he looked like, so how would I know who this boy was?

I could still show you where my husband parked our van that evening in that parking lot. I could still tell you what we did that day (went to my attorney's office to sign off on adoption paperwork was the biggie, almost running out of gas in the middle of rush hour traffic, etc., but it's something I'd otherwise easily forget if not for knowing the 4th of June is THE day this little boy went missing), at approximately what times we did them, and so on.

I remember that day as if it were yesterday. (same with 9/11, and remembering exactly what happened that day - even where we parked when we went to the grocery store that evening)

What does worry me is this - the person that doesn't recall if they saw this or that on the 4th, or mixes that day up with another day. I know many of the parent's vehicles at my kids school as well. But even I would be worried that I'd think, "Did I see that red car on the 4th? It may have been the 3rd" Regardless, I think LE is seeking confirmation of a particular vehicle being at the school maybe?!

 

[KeyboardCat]

The adult associated with (in and/or around) the truck:

1. Obviously Terri did not volunteer this info to police. If she had, there never would have been a question if a second person was there, or who it was.

2. Why would she keep this to herself, try to hide this? Of course she doesn't want other people to know this person was there, for what ever reason.

3. It seems police believe this person's vehicle was in the south parking lot that morning. It also seems like they may have some idea of what cars were in that parking lot already... and want to rule particular vehicles out to narrow down who this person could be. (I'm also betting that police have a big drawing of the parking layout, and are filling in the spaces of where each visitor parked that morning.)

4. Both of the areas that they believe Terri parked that morning are very out of the way, that could have been because of limited parking space, or because she didn't want to be seen, and maybe didn't want the second adult to be seen with her.

I had thought that maybe the second adult was perhaps a boyfriend, or something of that nature.... someone she didn't want everyone to know was there with her.

 

[Calliope]

Except when something traumatic happens things can cement into place in your mind...
How many people remember where they were when JFK was killed? My mom was on the couch 7 mos pregnant with me.
What were you doing when 9/11 happened? I was asleep on the west coast and woke up to find a good friend at my house frantic with grief. I was wearing a pink pj top and floral jammie bottoms. We drank coffee with cream and I cried for hours solid. My boys never got dressed that day either and we all stayed home from school and work...
So maybe...because it was such a high profile thing, the people at a tiny school like Skyline CAN remember...and maybe those nearly empty Fred Meyer parking lots DID have someone in who saw something...

JMO

The point is, at the time he disappeared no one was aware anything had happened out of the ordinary. No one was on the lookout for anything amiss. It wasn't until hours later that the news went out he was missing. Some may not have heard of this until the next day, or even days later. That is the point in time they'll remember with clarity. When they heard he was missing. That is what is cemented into their memories, not likely many hours (or even days) before, when they were going about their routine morning business, focused on their own children and the fair, getting to work, etc., and never even suspecting that such a horrific event was occurring in the midst of all this.

 

[Calliope]

I still remember receiving a phone call at 7:04pm the evening of June 4th about Kyron (via the Portland Public Schools phone system as we have kids in that district). I was sitting in the parking lot of Applebee's and my husband was strapping our daughter into her car seat. I still remember hanging up and making a comment about how they told me his name but not what he looked like, so how would I know who this boy was?

I could still show you where my husband parked our van that evening in that parking lot. I could still tell you what we did that day (went to my attorney's office to sign off on adoption paperwork was the biggie, almost running out of gas in the middle of rush hour traffic, etc., but it's something I'd otherwise easily forget if not for knowing the 4th of June is THE day this little boy went missing), at approximately what times we did them, and so on.

I remember that day as if it were yesterday. (same with 9/11, and remembering exactly what happened that day - even where we parked when we went to the grocery store that evening)

What does worry me is this - the person that doesn't recall if they saw this or that on the 4th, or mixes that day up with another day. I know many of the parent's vehicles at my kids school as well. But even I would be worried that I'd think, "Did I see that red car on the 4th? It may have been the 3rd" Regardless, I think LE is seeking confirmation of a particular vehicle being at the school maybe?!

Do you remember where you were with certainty between 8:15 and 8:45?

Or let's say when you arrived at your attorney's... or when your husband parked the van .... could you describe the vehicles around you, where they were parked and describe who was in or around the other cars?

 

[Calliope]

Heather, yes, I agree.

But I think the difference here is that 9/11 and JFK were immediate, televised around the world, and people were talking right away. I went to work the morning of 9/11, but can't remember who I parked next to - although, I do recall my manager's suit color. We all came home close to immediately...

These were shocking, immediate things, both which were threats to our own lives and safety. Kyron was missing for hours before it was even known he was missing...it was not immediate, nor was it widely shocking, and it wasn't a threat to ourselves. I hate to say it like that, but the only threat that morning was to Kyron...and it wasn't even known until much later.

Further, how many people remember which car they parked next to later on the same day, let alone months later? I went to the barn this morning, and on my way, I stopped for some watermelon (for my horse) and a Starbucks (for me...although he'd love one if I gave it to him...LOL). I've been sitting here, trying to remember what car was next to me at the market.

And I just can't. Not really. I do remember a CHiPs car at the Western Bagle, but other than that, nope...just that there were cars. Because nothing occurred right then to make me think "wow, I better look around."

I just don't think it's a valuable piece of information now. It may have been the day or day after, but now? No...too much time for people to rememer, forget, remember what they want to remember, and confabulate hoping to help the investigation. And like I said, a decent defense lawyer would rip this apart in moments...

Just my moooooooooooooo.....mooooooooooooo....moooooooooo ing all day long...LOL.

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Herding Cats

lol should have read a bit further

I can remember 9/11 like it was just moments ago... I was in a very crowded restaurant with a co-worker eating breakfast before going home after work. We saw the second plane hit live, even as the news was reporting a small plane had hit the tower. I remember the expressions on the faces of everyone in the room --- but I couldn't describe a single person, save for the Sheriff's deputy standing at the register transfixed while watching the TV. I know the lot was full, but I couldn't tell you who was parked where. As I drove home, I can see the route and cars and lights as I listened to the radio. I remember calling my daughter in Oregon, waking her and exactly what she said to me. Getting a call from my DON in case a call went out for volunteer medical assistance. And so on. Everything came into a very narrow focus as I noticed what was important and ignored the irrelevant.

 

[Calliope]

IMO, I don't see the point in shaking the trees for unbiased, untainted accounts. Too much time has passed, and more importantly, too much has come out in the media to expect a witness to give an accurate account of what they saw without it being contaminated by media reports, innuendo, speculation and rumors. Unless (I really don't want to go there) ...

 

[newone]

I think that the questioning of where vehicles were parked, should have been done right away... It was opened to the public also...It was advertised on the schools sign.. I wouldn't doubt that vehicles were parked at the church also...

This is a bit late in the game from my point of view as well. Either LE is truly inept or they are scrambling to find something/anything at this point - they have run out of rope.

 

[darlin gal]

Here is a good video that was aired tonight, it shows where the truck was parked both times. (they parked their news truck in the same place for reference) it also shows the parking spaces in relation to the side entrance/exit of the school and how no one could see it.


Also talks about a new email regarding step-brother J, that Terri send to a friend - regarding him being sent away.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye_MsDrlAUU[/ame]

 

[Calliope]

Here is a good video that was aired tonight, it shows where the truck was parked both times. (they parked their news truck in the same place for reference) it also shows the parking spaces in relation to the side entrance/exit of the school and how no one could see it.


Also talks about a new email regarding step-brother J, that Terri send to a friend - regarding him being sent away.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye_MsDrlAUU

Very interesting. Backs up father's and witness' stories. Not Kaine's.

 

[darlin gal]

Very interesting. Backs up father's and witness' stories. Not Kaine's.

Yeah, but a bit different from the story she told the gals at 24 hr. Fitness.

She said she was angry that Kaine sent him away.


In the email, it says she had him go live with his dad, which makes it sound like her choice.


JMO

 

[Calliope]

Yeah, but a bit different from the story she told the gals at 24 hr. Fitness.

She said she was angry that Kaine sent him away.


In the email, it says she had him go live with his dad, which makes it sound like her choice.


JMO

Could have been that Kaine told her he had to leave, and Terri chose to send him to her parents. I don't see those accounts as being at odds with each other. Kaine forcing him to go away could simply mean that his behavior and their arguments forced her hand. I said before (on another thread) that I'm going with the father's account (which matches Terri's btw) until I hear otherwise directly from the kid himself. He's the one who would have no reason at all to deflect or mislead in any way, and has also heard his son's side of things too.

I'll say one thing, though. Ain't NO man on the face of this earth getting between me and my kids. I know it happens and perhaps this was the best thing for all concerned, but still ... it wouldn't have been my child I'd have sent packing :furious:

 

[captivagrl]

As a parent, what really stands out in my mind,still, is the fact that LE reassured parents THAT WEEKEND that it was an isolated incident. They,(LE) instructed parents to send their children to that school Monday morning. I've never forgotten that statement.
IMO, that means that they knew what happened and who was responsible. Proving things and finding Kyron unfortunately hasn't happened yet.

 

[Codger]

Here is a good video that was aired tonight, it shows where the truck was parked both times. (they parked their news truck in the same place for reference) it also shows the parking spaces in relation to the side entrance/exit of the school and how no one could see it.


Also talks about a new email regarding step-brother J, that Terri send to a friend - regarding him being sent away.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye_MsDrlAUU

Thanks for this, found it very interesting, gives a good perspective. Plus I figgerred out how to view the blasted things, they had been tormenting me those boxes. :banghead:
I asked earlier about these fliers and the previous ones, pics and questions to who ppl saw that day, but didn't see an answer. Should I be asking on another thread? It's a maze in here to me. tia if anyone can point me

 

[Black Frost]

Yeah, and wouldn't they be embarrassed if they did grant Dede immunity, and found out that her and TH were doing something else illegal that morning (trying to find someone to kill Kaine, driving drunk, etc) and that they had nothing to do with Kyron's disappearance after all?
It really wouldn't shock me if they were sneaking around doing something that didn't relate to Kryon at all.

I still don't think they hurt him. Snatched, maybe, maybe not - harmed, no.

No, they wouldn't be embarrassed. There is nothing "embarrassing" about granting immunity to someone who ends up not needing it. Nothing is lost. If Dede were granted immunity, it would be only relative to her involvement in Kyron's disappearance because... that's what they're investigating. It's not a blanket immunity for, say, the morning of June 4th, and any other criminal activity she may have been involved in that LE is neither aware of nor concerned with is now ineligible for prosecution.

But even if that weren't the case and granting her immunity in the Kyron investigation did protect her from being held responsible for whatever crimes she might have been involved in that were found to be the real reason behind her sketchy behavior that day (and to use your two examples: MFH shenanigans, drunk driving) again, so what?

Kaine, though maybe not at his best right now, appears to be very much alive. And if DS or TH spent June 4th raging around Portland in pick-up trucks with 25% blood alcohol levels, they managed to do so without as much as bumping a shopping cart or glancing a mailbox. Because - we all know - if they had, or in other words, in any way had put any person in any danger, we would know about it by now.

If I'm the guy who granted DS immunity and I find out she's guilty in both of the above scenarios but has nothing to do with Kyron's disappearance, I still don't have any regrets. Trying to find out what happened to a seven year old boy who's been missing for two months trumps my concern over past criminal activity that didn't result in a victim or so much as a peep of a complaint.

 

[BeanE]

Yeah, but a bit different from the story she told the gals at 24 hr. Fitness.

She said she was angry that Kaine sent him away.


In the email, it says she had him go live with his dad, which makes it sound like her choice.


JMO

You mean what reporter said that the 24 hour fitness person said that Terri said, right? Something like that?

Versus this email, where we have what Terri actually said, directly.

 

[BeanE]

No idea right now where to post what, so I'm just going to take my best guess, and post this here.

This is for reference, transcribed from the press conference video, regarding two things - whether the pictures were staged, and further info on what LE is looking for regarding the southside parking lot.

approx 14:04

Reporter: Can you tell us if these are staged photos or if (unintelligible)?

DA: No further comment. Thank you.

Reporter: And on this photo, are you asking for anyone who was parked in this, this parking lot to call about (a bit unintelligible - every make of their car?) that was parked there?

Gates: Yes, that's what he was asking.

Detective: What I want to identify is the parents, it's more likely going to be parents who were attending the science fair. Sometimes in an investigation you look through it with a different lens than you do the very first day that it occurs. When you go back and you rethink of all the events and the information you have, you see bits and pieces of the investigation that you need clarification on. This is simply one of these events that we're looking for clarification on. The parents, the guests, the staff only in the area that I have depict (sic) in the photograph. We'd like them to call the tip line.


Full raw press conference video:
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/8862...deo_watch_the_kyron_hor_1.html&medium=8862580

 

[Donjeta]

I think the parking at the school on the science fair day would be more memorable than an average day because there were more vehicles than usual and people might have been forced to seek parking spots they usually don't use. Not that you would necessarily pay more attention to the other cars there but it might be possible to remember where your own car was. "Yeah, the parking lot was crammed full and we had to leave the car on the road and walk a long way. When the science fair ended and I took Tommy's project home I drove the car a little nearer the door because I didn't want to carry it all the way."