White Truck Focus and second person in truck.

[Codger]

http://www.kgw.com/news/2nd-person-seen-in-Terri-Hormans-truck-100301534.html

by Colin Miner and Frank Mungeam, KGW.com Staff

kgw.com

Posted on August 9, 2010 at 4:56 PM


PORTLAND, Ore. -- KGW has learned that investigators are trying to determine the identity of a person who was seen sitting in the truck Terri Horman was driving the day Kyron Horman disappeared.

According to several sources in the Skyline community including people who have spoken with investigators, the person was seen by at least two people while Terri was in the school with Kyron.

Investigators have gone through Terri's cell phone and email records trying to establish who the person was.

They have asked people about the person during the course of the investigation as they try to determine who these witnesses - who investigators believe are credible - saw.
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I hope we're getting to the bottom of this!!!

Many seem to think this may have been DDS, I'm undecided, which started me wondering. Have there been any reports, quotes of DDS actually being seen anywhere that day? Many places it's been said her car was at work all day, but did anyone see HER there at any specific time? Did she actually ever start her day at 9am or just drop off a vehicle? odd imo
She easily could've been in the truck if nobody saw her anywhere else most of the day, honestly, not one word to the GJ, :cursing::rage::cursing:
WHERE IS KYRON?

 

[ElizaAvalon]

Yeah, but a bit different from the story she told the gals at 24 hr. Fitness.

She said she was angry that Kaine sent him away.


In the email, it says she had him go live with his dad, which makes it sound like her choice.


JMO

Well... I can see this happening. When one is in a long term relationship, sometimes one person will make a decision that the other does not agree with initially, but turns out to have been for the best. I can see that this could have been the case with TH and sending her son away to live with her parents.

Perhaps it was that KH thought it best that TH's son move out for whatever reason - most likely disruption in the home with either or both parents.

Initially, TH may not have agreed with this proposal but KH may have put his foot down and the boy moved in with his grandparents.

A month later, TH may have realized that it was really for the best because her son was doing well.

Now where this came into play with Kyron is a mystery. I'm unclear as to what the son's summer plans were. Was he to come back to live with KH and TH for the summer? Was KH telling TH that the son was not welcome to live with them over the summer? It's rather interesting the timing of the whole thing as school would be out very soon and there would have been change all around.

Hmmm... I think all of this is for a different thread. Sorry!

 

[ElizaAvalon]

I think the parking at the school on the science fair day would be more memorable than an average day because there were more vehicles than usual and people might have been forced to seek parking spots they usually don't use.

I'm curious about this myself.

Were all children required to participate? Or was it voluntary?

There were +-294 students. And parents. And cars. If all participated it would have been a zoo.

 

[Nellie]

As a parent, what really stands out in my mind,still, is the fact that LE reassured parents THAT WEEKEND that it was an isolated incident. They,(LE) instructed parents to send their children to that school Monday morning. I've never forgotten that statement.
IMO, that means that they knew what happened and who was responsible. Proving things and finding Kyron unfortunately hasn't happened yet.

It wasn't coincidence LE was staying with them in that house. TH's story has never added up. She acted different enough for them to bring in the FBI in the very beginning.

What hasn't been released is that KH & TH were having extreme marital problems before Kyron disappeared along with many other facts...

 

[21merc7]

I never thought LE stayed with them b/c of TH. I thought they stayed in case a ransom call came in, or a perp tried to get Baby K or harm the other family members.

 

[goatman]

As a parent, what really stands out in my mind,still, is the fact that LE reassured parents THAT WEEKEND that it was an isolated incident. They,(LE) instructed parents to send their children to that school Monday morning. I've never forgotten that statement.
IMO, that means that they knew what happened and who was responsible. Proving things and finding Kyron unfortunately hasn't happened yet.

I never thought LE stayed with them b/c of TH. I thought they stayed in case a ransom call came in, or a perp tried to get Baby K or harm the other family members.

The way I see it, is that the people of Skyline were told it was an isolated incident and to send their kids back to school (imo this means "HEY ITS SAFE HERE! Nothing going on here"

Because of this people were lead to believe that "they knew what happened and who was responsible".

Why LE stayed with the Horman's in my opinion isn't the point, the perception of them doing so (and all the statements from the beginning) lead people in the community to believe that LE was on TH like 'white on rice'.

People would have no need to remember June 4. Sketchy person in the parking lot-forgotten, who needs to remember when LE already has 'their man'. Strange car-eh, not important-LE already has 'their man'. Things that at that time might have seemed important if it was assumed he was abducted by a stranger became unimportant after people assumed that was not the case.

THIS is the problem with having an overly confident LE. Whether they are right or not, witnesses they are seeking may have forgotten-because at the time it wasn't important for them to remember.

I can't remember now, and I have a toddler crawling all over me, but at any time in the first few days (before the fliers) did LE ask the public to come forward if they saw anything suspicious at the school that day? Did LE ask people who parked at Skyline to come forward and let them know they were A. there and B. what general vicinity they parked? AT any time has there been a search of the school? NOT outside it, inside it. From top to bottom, nook to cranny...everything. Kyron was last seen at the school...(this is a link to a recent case about a Yale student who was found in the basement of her school, I have added it here for reference http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/14/missing.yale.student/index.html)


Sadly, unless it deals directly with TH I doubt anyone is going to remember anything from June 4th. And even then I think it would not be untainted memories...once again because LE had 'their man' and people wouldn't need to remember.

 

[Codger]

<respectfully snipped>
I can't remember now, and I have a toddler crawling all over me, but at any time in the first few days (before the fliers) did LE ask the public to come forward if they saw anything suspicious at the school that day? Did LE ask people who parked at Skyline to come forward and let them know they were A. there and B. what general vicinity they parked? AT any time has there been a search of the school? NOT outside it, inside it. From top to bottom, nook to cranny...everything. Kyron was last seen at the school...(this is a link to a recent case about a Yale student who was found in the basement of her school, I have added it here for reference http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/14/missing.yale.student/index.html)


Sadly, unless it deals directly with TH I doubt anyone is going to remember anything from June 4th. And even then I think it would not be untainted memories...once again because LE had 'their man' and people wouldn't need to remember.

June 8th
http://news.opb.org/article/7540-police-change-focus-search-missing-seven-year-old/

Gates says detectives have interviewed about 99 percent of the students and the majority of staff and parents at the school.

Jason Gates: "Any families that have not been interviewed as of yet. We'll continue to try and contact you but it would make it easier for us if you could call our tip line and give your information. We'll have a detective contact you immediately and come and interview you, even at your home."

Skyline's principal, Benjamin Keefer, thanked law enforcement officials for their work over the last five days. He says having detectives interview all 300 kids has been hectic.

June 9th
http://www.ktvb.com/news/regional/Agencies-across-Oregon-searching-missing-7-year-old-95999074.html
Portland schools sent an automated message to parents in the school district that the boy was missing. Meanwhile, police walked the school grounds with K-9 tracking teams, searched every room and closet inside the school and even checked the roof.

Investigators on Sunday interviewed parents of other students at the school, trying to come up with even the smallest clues about what could have happened. The parents and Kyron&#8217;s fellow students came to the school voluntarily on a staggered basis to interview with detectives. Authorities were also reviewing photos and videos taken during the school's Friday morning science fair, where several people reported seeing Kyron.

Those are snippets from the links, much more at the links.
ETA - Lost it in the copy/paste, but at the opb link it mentions the search refocused away from the school due to a tip phoned in.

 

[Billylee]

This is just a goofy thing coming out of brain lately. MC just has to be a player in this whole scenario. Why did TH show him the RO, which HE photographed that had KH's secret location listed on it. This guy is stranger than strange IMO and when's the last time anyone saw a guy wear a necklace like that? He's like something out of the 60's. And yet, he hasn't even been called to the GJ. I really think he may be the one they're looking at as being TH's accomplice. Someone who was perhaps parked next to her at the school that morning? This spider web of a case, must have been woven by someone.

 

[goatman]

This is just a goofy thing coming out of brain lately. MC just has to be a player in this whole scenario. Why did TH show him the RO, which HE photographed that had KH's secret location listed on it. This guy is stranger than strange IMO and when's the last time anyone saw a guy wear a necklace like that? He's like something out of the 60's. And yet, he hasn't even been called to the GJ. I really think he may be the one they're looking at as being TH's accomplice. Someone who was perhaps parked next to her at the school that morning? This spider web of a case, must have been woven by someone.

MC, DD, and TH...all are 'mad' enough to think that disappearing a child is okay?
I can believe that TH did it alone. I can believe that a stranger did it. I can believe that imo this case is ripe with odd but innocent people.

I can not believe that three people would disappear a child...and not start folding on each other.

What would be their motive? TH might have one...sure. DD's? MC's?

IDK, I think the more I learn about this case...the more the 'simple'(TH) answer just doesn't jive anymore....good thing I am good at climbing fences!

 

[BeanE]

This is just a goofy thing coming out of brain lately. MC just has to be a player in this whole scenario. Why did TH show him the RO, which HE photographed that had KH's secret location listed on it. This guy is stranger than strange IMO and when's the last time anyone saw a guy wear a necklace like that? He's like something out of the 60's. And yet, he hasn't even been called to the GJ. I really think he may be the one they're looking at as being TH's accomplice. Someone who was perhaps parked next to her at the school that morning? This spider web of a case, must have been woven by someone.

I don't think people are called to appear before grand juries because of the type of necklaces they wear - even 60s style necklaces.

I can't think of how one's necklace style, or anything about 60s styles, would indicate to a prosecutor that someone had testimony to offer that would be pertinent to any grand jury proceedings, let alone this grand jury's proceedings.

This concept is entirely foreign to me. I don't understand it at all. Frankly, it scares me.

 

[Haeve]

This is just a goofy thing coming out of brain lately. MC just has to be a player in this whole scenario. Why did TH show him the RO, which HE photographed that had KH's secret location listed on it. This guy is stranger than strange IMO and when's the last time anyone saw a guy wear a necklace like that? He's like something out of the 60's. And yet, he hasn't even been called to the GJ. I really think he may be the one they're looking at as being TH's accomplice. Someone who was perhaps parked next to her at the school that morning? This spider web of a case, must have been woven by someone.

BBM

About a month ago, at the Oregon Country Fair. To me it looks like a hippie/stoner necklace. You still see them sold at county fairs, the Oregon Country Fair, on younger "counter culture" people, at hippie gatherings, etc. To me it's not a 1960s thing, but a younger person's thing. The only thing it says to me is that perhaps he acts/wants to be younger than the late-30-something that he is, but lots of people do that. :cow:

 

[JennyAshley]

I really think the last press conference was solely for the police to relay to those who know more than they're willing to say that the police know more than you think they know. Putting pressure on those that are about ready to spill the beans and cant handle the burden anymore.

(long time lurker, first time poster):newbie:

 

[tragco]

This is just a goofy thing coming out of brain lately. MC just has to be a player in this whole scenario. Why did TH show him the RO, which HE photographed that had KH's secret location listed on it. This guy is stranger than strange IMO and when's the last time anyone saw a guy wear a necklace like that? He's like something out of the 60's. And yet, he hasn't even been called to the GJ. I really think he may be the one they're looking at as being TH's accomplice. Someone who was perhaps parked next to her at the school that morning? This spider web of a case, must have been woven by someone.

I think he was a LE plant. He's been given a pass by the media IMO, and glossed over too much. He's been enlisted in a better sting operation than the landscaper, and he DID say he "never had sex" with her. That is LE protocol.

But I am putting on BeanE's tinfoil hat! I may be SOOO off base on this theory. So I don't think he had anything to do with the white truck.

ALSO: He has mainly been used to show that the "sexting" was similar to the "sexting" that the landscaper was said to have received.

 

[Kimster]

I really think the last press conference was solely for the police to relay to those who know more than they're willing to say that the police know more than you think they know. Putting pressure on those that are about ready to spill the beans and cant handle the burden anymore.

(long time lurker, first time poster):newbie:

 

[Kat010]

I think he was a LE plant. He's been given a pass by the media IMO, and glossed over too much. He's been enlisted in a better sting operation than the landscaper, and he DID say he "never had sex" with her. That is LE protocol.

But I am putting on BeanE's tinfoil hat! I may be SOOO off base on this theory. So I don't think he had anything to do with the white truck.

ALSO: He has mainly been used to show that the "sexting" was similar to the "sexting" that the landscaper was said to have received.

bbm

I must have missed something. Did TH sext the landscaper? Link, please.

I think it's very unlikely that LE used MC as an undercover dude. For many many reasons. The only reason that I can see that he/they might is that maybe he had some sort of serious charges pending against him that he wanted to work off (which is what many confidential informants are doing, unofficially). But I think that's very unlikely. And if they chose MC, what a weak reed to lean on, IMHO. And if they did, well, he got nothing out of her from his seduction (if he was a plant, then he led the convos) about Kyron, as far as we know. So, like the LS sting, this would be another LE failed sting.

With due respect, I just don't see it. MC's too much a loose cannon.

 

[Etilema]

bbm

I must have missed something. Did TH sext the landscaper? Link, please.
...

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Pol...g-mirrored-talk-with-landscaper-98369624.html
Monday's court filing also stated that police had told Kaine that Terri's "sexual overtures to Mr. Cook resemble those made to the man Respondent (Terri Horman) attempted to hire to murder Petitioner (Kaine)."

 

[grandmaj]

The only ones that we can sleuth at this time are TH and DDS. They haven't been officially named by LE as suspects, but Tricia feels that there is enough MSM information out there to allow them to be sleuthed.

As for anyone else, you can make your own assumptions about their behavior, but it must be backed up by something you've seen in the MSM. This makes it hard because WW is coming out with all sorts of "family issue" type reporting. Just make sure you are staying within the realm of what is being reported as you post. Blatant statements that victims are responsible for Kyron's disappearance are not allowed unless something is reported in the MSM that makes such a statement.

Think about the statement from Rosemont Farms before you post about people in this case. That will help you a lot!

And comments about any minors in this case being involved are not allowed. Not even hints

 

[BeanE]

bbm

I must have missed something. Did TH sext the landscaper? Link, please.

Nothing reported to date. A court document states that Terri communicated sexual overtures and personal relationship concerns to the landscaper, but doesn't specify the means of communication (verbal, in person, on the phone, texts, emails, smoke signals, sign language, charades, etc).

 

[Morag]

Nothing reported to date. A court document states that Terri communicated sexual overtures and personal relationship concerns to the landscaper, but doesn't specify the means of communication (verbal, in person, on the phone, texts, emails, smoke signals, sign language, charades, etc).

You forgot doing the hula (the dance of love).

 

[BeanE]

Investigators doubt Spicher was seen near Horman truck
Story Updated: Aug 18, 2010 at 7:22 PM PDT


Investigators have learned they have reason to believe it was not DeDe Spicher, the friend of Kyron Horman’s stepmother Terri Moulton Horman, who was seen in a truck the morning Kyron disappeared, according to sources.

Investigators are working on following up on tips they received since last week’s news conference about the person seen on June 4. Those tips are in addition to the 4,000 they have collected so far.

They also want to know if a third person is tied to Kyron’s disappearance.


http://www.katu.com/news/local/101040699.html