White Truck Focus and second person in truck.

[Donjeta]

If Kyron was abducted and stashed alive somewhere and if Terri was in it then there would have to be a mystery person involved since people would have noticed by now if Terri or Dede had had him in their care.

 

[Paintr]

If Kyron was abducted and stashed alive somewhere and if Terri was in it then there would have to be a mystery person involved since people would have noticed by now if Terri or Dede had had him in their care.

Oh how I hope that this proves to be true! Kyron, alive, would make my week! It would make my month! :dance:

 

[BeanE]

I'm still adhering to Occam's razor. Or KISS...whichever you prefer.

I have a very hard time believing TH did it. I have an even harder time believing that TH and DDS were working together to disappear Kyron. And I find it close to impossible that TH, DDS, and some MP did it.

Just too complicated. Too many cooks in the kitchen, you know? The more we pound the round peg into a square hole, the more likely it is to shatter, splinter, and disintegrate. And we've been pounding hard for a long time...and it's not shattered. Not even significantly dented, as far as I can tell.

So what's the simple answer, no matter how much we, as a society, would hate - HATE - to have it be true? Some SO predator walked in, took Kyron, and vanished.

Simple. So simple - and so frightening to us as a society - that we just refuse to believe it's possible. We would look at almost any other theory (well, maybe not aliens...) with more favor than that one. Because it really means that there is no protection for our kids anywhere.

Simplicity. There is no three ring - er, person - group that did this.

Now, if we could ID truck lurker-dude, we may have something more to go on. But until then, I don't see this as a three person job...not in my most wild imagination. And yes, I have a wild imagination. LOL.

BTW, where is Kyron?

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Herding Cats

Agreed. Too much hay is being piled on the stack. We're never going to find the needle this way.

 

[Leila]

...an adult seen in and around Terri's F250 truck the morning Kyron went missing may not have been Dede Sphicher.... http://www.katu.com/news/local/101040699.html

After reading the article, it appears that LE has one or more witnesses who saw an adult person in or near the Horman's white pick-up truck while TH and Kyron were in the school. I think LE is close to ruling out that it was DD, and are now thinking another person was involved. They aren't saying if the person is male or female.

If there is another person, my guess is it's a male. I don't know why, but my first thought is that it's a male.

I'm not sure what to think about DD. She may be one of those people who are so loyal to a friend that they can't conceive of their friend doing something wrong.........naive. If TH is responsible for Kyron's disappearance, and I think she is, then she may have misled DD about what was going on.

I believe that LE is at the point where they have to determine if there was anyone else involved, and that's why the plea to the public for any information about this possible third person. They can't give out too much infomation as it could taint what someone remembers seeing. If there is a third person, they could be the key to breaking this case.

 

[Leila]

It seems to me the person by the truck must be female. Otherwise, it would not have taken LE this long to almost rule DeDe out.

DD is built rather stocky and if her hair was up under a baseball hat, she could be mistaken for a male. We don't know the vantage point of the witness or witnesses. How far away were they from the truck - what sort of trees or shrubs were in their line of vision.

 

[cluciano63]

I still find it stunning that after almost 3 months...LE has not determined the identity of every person Terri has had any contact with over the past 6-12 months. They found the LS guy easily enough, you'd think she would have "hidden" that contact if she had solicited him for a "hit." It seems they should know exactly where everyone she knew was that morning, by now, as well as the location of every vehicle that came to Skyline. It is discouraging to me that they apparently don't or aren't sure.

 

[loves2bmom]

I still find it stunning that after almost 3 months...LE has not determined the identity of every person Terri has had any contact with over the past 6-12 months. They found the LS guy easily enough, you'd think she would have "hidden" that contact if she had solicited him for a "hit." It seems they should know exactly where everyone she knew was that morning, by now, as well as the location of every vehicle that came to Skyline. It is discouraging to me that they apparently don't or aren't sure.

Maybe they do know but are looking for witnesses to back up what they have. :waitasec:

 

[Leila]

I have some very good long term women friends, three of whom have been my close friend for over 25 years each. We have seen each other through good times and bad, sicknesses and deaths, births and marriages and divorces.

I can see my friends and I purchasing throw away phones if we wanted to keep what we were talking about secret. I can even see us lying about where we were going/had been if we thought that the reason was important enough.

BUT, no matter how much they value me, if I called one of them with a serious plan to kidnap/harm/kill anyone, I would find myself dragged to the sherrif's office (or a mental ward) so fast my head would spin. Calling them with a dead child on my hands would result in support, questions, and an immediate call to 911. They might visit me in jail, but they would not try to hide the body.

I just can't wrap my mind around the idea of Terri's friends being this accommodating. Maybe Terri did this alone and maybe she didn't but I seriously doubt the Terri and 2 friends theory. :waitasec:

Maybe TH and the unknown person in the pick-up, and DD was brought into it afterward, thinking it was something else?

 

[BeanE]

Focus On Pickup Continues In Kyron Case
POSTED: 2:20 pm PDT August 19, 2010
UPDATED: 3:06 pm PDT August 19, 2010


Investigators have reason to believe that DeDe Spicher might not have been the person spotted in a white pickup truck the day 7-year-old Kyron Horman vanished from his grade school, FOX 12 has confirmed.

A Multnomah County district attorney said at least one witness saw a person or people associated with the Ford F250 truck that was driven by Kyron's stepmother, Terri Horman, on the morning of June 4.

Detectives now believe the mystery person could be someone else entirely, FOX 12 has learned.

http://www.kptv.com/news/24691797/detail.html

 

[Jo in Calif]

I still find it stunning that after almost 3 months...LE has not determined the identity of every person Terri has had any contact with over the past 6-12 months. They found the LS guy easily enough, you'd think she would have "hidden" that contact if she had solicited him for a "hit." It seems they should know exactly where everyone she knew was that morning, by now, as well as the location of every vehicle that came to Skyline. It is discouraging to me that they apparently don't or aren't sure.

Maybe the witness they have is one of the children from the school, as far as the truck goes and they are trying to find an adult who also might of witnessed it. I'm sure they would rather bring an adult before the GJ than a child.

 

[miabellamoure]

Since it seems that LE is alluding to more than one person being responsible for the disappearance of Kyron, I'd really like to know how frequent would cases have come along where there were possibly THREE persons involved?

It seems very unlikely...even rare but, does anyone know just how uncommon this would be?

So, if anyone knows what those kind of odds might be...I'm all ears!

 

[BeanE]

What so funny about this to me is that LE never gave any indication whatever that they thought it was Dede at the school.

I don't think LE has leaked much at all in this case. This one I think is a leak. I think they're getting way too many Dede calls clogging up the tip line, and they already knew it wasn't her.

 

[BeanE]

Since it seems that LE is alluding to more than one person being responsible for the disappearance of Kyron, I'd really like to know how frequent would cases have come along where there were possibly THREE persons involved?

It seems very unlikely...even rare but, does anyone know just how uncommon this would be?

So, if anyone knows what those kind of odds might be...I'm all ears!

I don't think LE thinks there are 3 people involved. I think a certain reporter has some writing skill problems.

 

[Leila]

Since it seems that LE is alluding to more than one person being responsible for the disappearance of Kyron, I'd really like to know how frequent would cases have come along where there were possibly THREE persons involved?

It seems very unlikely...even rare but, does anyone know just how uncommon this would be?

So, if anyone knows what those kind of odds might be...I'm all ears!

In every case in which it was a child predator, there's only been one person involved. I've never heard of more than one in these cases.

If there's more than one person involved, it falls more into the category of parental abduction.

 

[miabellamoure]

I don't think LE thinks there are 3 people involved. I think a certain reporter has has some writing skill problems.

Oh no...I didn't mean LE has hinted at "3" but, I do think they are steering us towards 2 for sure. Many even on WS believe that there are a minimum of two players or even possibly 3 who might be involved.

So, I am wondering what are the odds of that number (3) of individuals in a case like this?

 

[BeanE]

What was it that FBI guy said to George Anthony in that interview? Something about the more people they bring in, ... something or other. He was saying that murderers don't like to bring others into their crime.

Sorry. Memory glitch on the quote right in the middle of typing it.

 

[miabellamoure]

What was it that FBI guy said to George Anthony in that interview? Something about the more people they bring in, ... something or other. He was saying that murderers don't like to bring others into their crime.

Sorry. Memory glitch on the quote right in the middle of typing it.

I agree...that is why I think there is probably one person responsible for the actual deed and possibly one more person who got hood-winked by the main character to help cover up something and possibly doesn't even know for sure what it is exactly that they are covering up.

I know that sounds confusing...

 

[BeanE]

Oh no...I didn't mean LE has hinted at "3" but, I do think they are steering us towards 2 for sure. Many even on WS believe that there are a minimum of two players or even possibly 3 who might be involved.

So, I am wondering what are the odds of that number (3) of individuals in a case like this?

Oh I think they're definitely at least checking out whether there may be two. I don't think they're steering us toward anything - I think we're very much the captain of that particular ship.

I think they've been very specific about the very few little things they want the public's help with, and I don't think they want the public to have any other info than the tiny crumbs they've given out. I think it's a good way for LE to work.

 

[SurfieTX]

What so funny about this to me is that LE never gave any indication whatever that they thought it was Dede at the school.

I don't think LE has leaked much at all in this case. This one I think is a leak. I think they're getting way too many Dede calls clogging up the tip line, and they already knew it wasn't her.

Jeeze Lou Pete, that's what I thought in the first place. It would be a complete waste of time, money and effort to put such a generalized question out there. A few details about said person would be okay, I think - like the sex of the person. :waitasec:

 

[miabellamoure]

What I was looking for were actual odds...like for 2-3 people to be involved besides the main character...it would be 1 in a million odds. Just forget the steering, alluding, what ever...it was quite a topic here that there were possibly more than 2 or even 3 here last night...