White Truck Focus and second person in truck.

[BeanE]

Maybe the witness they have is one of the children from the school, as far as the truck goes and they are trying to find an adult who also might of witnessed it. I'm sure they would rather bring an adult before the GJ than a child.

Makes sense to me. Remember the child who testified at the GJ? And his mother said he hadn't seen Kyron at all that day. I kept wondering what in the world he was testifying about if he hadn't even seen Kyron.

I didn't think it was that he'd seen Terri, because there were adults there who saw her. Didn't think they'd drag a little child into a GJ just for that.

I didn't think it was that Kyron was supposed to be in the talent show with him, because there have been adults - I think Zimmerman the PTA head was one - who had stated he was supposed to be in the talent show, so I didn't think they'd drag a child to a GJ for that.

Then with the presser, it just smelled like they had an unreliable witness/reliable witness with unreliable testimony, and it fit with this child testifying. I think the GJ jurors made noises that they couldn't rely on the child's testimony, and I think that testimony was that the child saw the child parked on one road or the other. And that may have been the crux of the unreliability of the child's testimony. A child may well have difficulty remembering exactly which road it was.

:cow:

 

[cluciano63]

I think the old saying applies that two can keep a secret, if one of them is dead. I just can't believe in a grand multi-personed conspiracy here going on this long without anyone talking.

 

[Emma Peel]

What I was looking for were actual odds...like for 2-3 people to be involved besides the main character...it would be 1 in a million odds. Just forget the steering, alluding, what ever...it was quite a topic here that there were possibly more than 2 or even 3 here last night...

:waitasec:

I dunno. Here I've seen a few with more than one player - in the form of obstruction.
It only takes one to do the deed - the the rest take part in their roles as cover-up. All they have to do is lie. They need a selfish reason to lie. That is all.

Examples:

1 for Caylee, 2.5 in the cover-up. (IMO)
??? for Haleigh, 10 in the cover-up. (IMO)

 

[BeanE]

Jeeze Lou Pete, that's what I thought in the first place. It would be a complete waste of time, money and effort to put such a generalized question out there. A few details about said person would be okay, I think - like the sex of the person. :waitasec:

If they say it's man, they'll get zillions (heh) of calls saying it was a man. They have to have a real, reliable witness, who really did see something, and can articulate what they saw, without embellishment. Nature of the beast.

 

[21merc7]

Toss in the mix that the person in whatever white truck could be underage.

 

[BeanE]

What I was looking for were actual odds...like for 2-3 people to be involved besides the main character...it would be 1 in a million odds. Just forget the steering, alluding, what ever...it was quite a topic here that there were possibly more than 2 or even 3 here last night...

I can think of a few cases where a parent/stepparent/significant other killed a child and a parent/stepparent/significant other helped dispose of the body. I'd have to actually go look at the cases to remember whether the disposer actually took place or witnessed (just kind of standing by and letting it happen) the killing. Situations where the two adults are living together, have a close relationship, etc.

We're definitely not dealing with anything at all like that here IMO.

I can't think of any where it was a parent/stepparent killing, and, e.g., a friend or someone they were having an affair with or whatever who helped dispose of the body. Law of averages says it had to happen sometime, but I think it must be quite rare.

 

[miabellamoure]

I can think of a few cases where a parent/stepparent/significant other killed a child and a parent/stepparent/significant other helped dispose of the body. I'd have to actually go look at the cases to remember whether the disposer actually took place or witnessed (just kind of standing by and letting it happen) the killing. Situations where the two adults are living together, have a close relationship, etc.

We're definitely not dealing with anything at all like that here IMO.

I can't think of any where it was a parent/stepparent killing, and, e.g., a friend or someone they were having an affair with or whatever who helped dispose of the body. Law of averages says it had to happen sometime, but I think it must be quite rare.

That's what I wanted to hear...it is rare!

 

[Jo in Calif]

Makes sense to me. Remember the child who testified at the GJ? And his mother said he hadn't seen Kyron at all that day. I kept wondering what in the world he was testifying about if he hadn't even seen Kyron.

I didn't think it was that he'd seen Terri, because there were adults there who saw her. Didn't think they'd drag a little child into a GJ just for that.

I didn't think it was that Kyron was supposed to be in the talent show with him, because there have been adults - I think Zimmerman the PTA head was one - who had stated he was supposed to be in the talent show, so I didn't think they'd drag a child to a GJ for that.

Then with the presser, it just smelled like they had an unreliable witness/reliable witness with unreliable testimony, and it fit with this child testifying. I think the GJ jurors made noises that they couldn't rely on the child's testimony, and I think that testimony was that the child saw the child parked on one road or the other. And that may have been the crux of the unreliability of the child's testimony. A child may well have difficulty remembering exactly which road it was.

:cow:

I'm with you on that one. I think what you mean in your post that the child saw the child parked on the road, you meant car. I don't know how to bold.

 

[cluciano63]

It does make some sense if a student is LE's witness I guess, that they would hope to find a back-up witness. It just seems so unlikely to me at this point. It has been known for months that she drove the truck that day and people would have wracked their brains already. I have a feeling it will turn out to be a mistake. And I still can't imagine people not lining up to be first for a deal if involved in something as terrible as abduction of a child. I firmly disbelieve the theory that someone "holding" him could be unaware by now of the sensation this has caused or believe they are doing the "right thing."

 

[BeanE]

Maybe what they're looking to do is to put the truck in the south side parking lot with a couple good strong witnesses. Then put the truck later on or near the access road with a couple good strong witnesses. Regardless of whether anyone saw a person in or near it. At a minimum. Put the truck in two places.

Because they can say Kyron is no longer in the school because we searched it 3 times. And there was no reason for her to stop and park the truck when she was leaving. Except to get Kyron out of the school.

Very, very iffy circumstantial case, but it might be enough for custodial interference. Dunno.

But if they can put her in or near the truck on the access road. Especially near, rather than in, well, why would she stop the truck and get out? At the time when Kyron disappeared?

Still iffy circumstantial, but might be enough.

 

[cluciano63]

I'm not getting what good a charge for custodial interference does...clearly she is not going to talk and it can't carry much of a sentence, can it? Is it even a felony? From what I have read, it is/can be if the child is taken out of state, but how can that be proved?

 

[BeanE]

I don't know about Oregon. It's 5 years in AZ. It's not much of a charge. The benefit is keeping the person incarcerated while you try to gather evidence for a more severe charge or see if the victim's body is found.

 

[cluciano63]

But wouldn't she be able to bond out on such a charge? Just trying to see the logic of keeping her in jail; she doesn't seem as though she is going to flee. I just can't imagine that after all of this time and drama, that would be the charge they end up with. But what else can they do...
Sorry to be OT...but I do think the person in/near the truck will turn out to be an error. That would be another thing too stupid to have been part of an intricate plan, in my opinion.

 

[i.b.nora]

I don't think the white truck was ever on that access road. And, there is no second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, etc., person. Kyron vanished within the school. They need to look very carefully at other people who were within the school, imo.

 

[BeanE]

But wouldn't she be able to bond out on such a charge? Just trying to see the logic of keeping her in jail; she doesn't seem as though she is going to flee. I just can't imagine that after all of this time and drama, that would be the charge they end up with. But what else can they do...
Sorry to be OT...but I do think the person in/near the truck will turn out to be an error. That would be another thing too stupid to have been part of an intricate plan, in my opinion.

Well she could bond out sure. Then there's the trial. Then she sits in prison for 5 years. And during all that time, LE and DA keep trying to get evidence for a more severe charge.

I'll get back on topic too.

 

[SacreBleu]

Maybe what they're looking to do is to put the truck in the south side parking lot with a couple good strong witnesses. Then put the truck later on or near the access road with a couple good strong witnesses. Regardless of whether anyone saw a person in or near it. At a minimum. Put the truck in two places.

Because they can say Kyron is no longer in the school because we searched it 3 times. And there was no reason for her to stop and park the truck when she was leaving. Except to get Kyron out of the school.

Very, very iffy circumstantial case, but it might be enough for custodial interference. Dunno.

But if they can put her in or near the truck on the access road. Especially near, rather than in, well, why would she stop the truck and get out? At the time when Kyron disappeared?

Still iffy circumstantial, but might be enough.

I was just looking a gwenabob's photos of the school. If I recall, it either was raining on 6/4, or it had been raining recently. What I am trying to say is, the ground was likely soft because of the recent weather. Could LE have found tire tracks from the Horman truck at those two spots in the staged photos? Did I imagine or did LE not say something to the effect that they knew the truck was parked in those locations?

 

[Jade2010]

If you go up that side path where do you exit? Do you have to turn around right there by the gate?

If so, why wouldn't the witness had seen the truck facing the other way? Surely, if that was Terri and she was planning on taking Kyron by having him meet her at the truck there at that point, she would have been prepared and had the truck facing the other way to drive back down to the highway. But no, both truck postures were facing upward the path.

 

[BeanE]

I was just looking a gwenabob's photos of the school. If I recall, it either was raining on 6/4, or it had been raining recently. What I am trying to say is, the ground was likely soft because of the recent weather. Could LE have found tire tracks from the Horman truck at those two spots in the staged photos? Did I imagine or did LE not say something to the effect that they knew the truck was parked in those locations?

No they didn't say they knew. They said they had one or more witnesses who claimed to see the truck in one or both of those approximate locations.

 

[STEADFAST]

I'm with you on that one. I think what you mean in your post that the child saw the child parked on the road, you meant car. I don't know how to bold.

Oh, thank you! When I read BeanE's post, I was all, "What??? I'm gone one day and now a child was parked in the road??!!!" Only with this case would my mind even go to the possibility of that.
.:back:

 

[Morag]

Maybe I am missing something. If the truck was moved to the little access road, what would the point be? If Kyron left the school (alone) via the door nearest his classroom, he would have walked right by the turf technician. If he left by either of the monitored doors, well, he would have been monitored. I can see by the bing maps and by someone's (gwenabob?) great photos that it would be hard to see him from the school (not impossible, though), but if he's gonna march right by the groundskeeper, then what's the point? This is beginning to remind me of the great John Carter Dickson "locked room" mysteries.