Whitney Houston passed away on 2/11/12 - Part 1

[BetteDavisEyes]

Brown on Bobbi Kristina: We'll pull through this

Daughter hospitalized after mother's death

Author: By Breeanna Hare, CNN

Published On: Feb 14 2012 02:00:11 PM EST Updated On: Feb 14 2012 02:01:42 PM EST

http://www.clickondetroit.com/enter...h-this/-/1718940/8776188/-/ftcxn/-/index.html

 

[wfgodot]

I've always wondered if there were a greater sin than wasting God-given talent.

 

[angelwngs]

This is an interesting article, I've gotten to this part so far, not sure what to make of it:

"A former security guard for Houston says there used to be a “no baths” rule for the superstar. “Everyone was clear, particularly the women in the room with her, that Houston couldn’t take baths, only showers, and couldn’t be in the bathroom for long periods of times,” said the source. “After 15 minutes, someone would check on her to be sure she was OK. When someone is that fragile—you can’t leave them alone like that. But she had new people around her.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ective-baby-girl-daughter-bobbi-kristina.html

http://www.tmz.com/2012/02/14/whitney-houston-death-bathtub-photo/
I thought TMZ's pic of WH's actual bathtub (linked above) was pushing the ethical 'envelope' but hey, I am still reading the articles and looking at new pics at TMZ's website so what right do I have to bash them? The article accompanying this photo linked above said that the silver gravy dish in the bottom of her tub full of water is said to be what she used to put olive oil in her bath to keep her skin soft. If you saw the size of this 'gravy boat', you know that if that quanity or even half that quanity was added to that tub of water how very, very slippery the basin would become, making getting in if the oil was already added or getting out of the tub very difficult. Even stone sober avoiding slipping and falling would be difficult. Add alcohol and bendos to that oily mix and it could prove a deadly combo. No wonder they were concerned about bath time.

 

[butwhatif?]

I have a seizure disorder and one of the rules my husband has for me is that I can NOT take a shower or a bath without leaving the bathroom door unlocked. I've had seizures in the shower and tub before.

It's entirely possible that Whitney may have had seizures too, due to her drug use.

JMO, IMO, MOO, and all other disclaimers.

Sorry, I haven't read through the whole thread yet, but your post just sparked a memory. If you are weaning or going off xanax completely, one of the most troubling possible side effects is seizures- particularly if you've been using it long term.

I just keep thinking of Amy and how everyone instantly assumed it was a drug overdose.
We need to keep in mind that coming off drugs can be just as dangerous as abusing them if you are not under the proper supervision of a professional.

JMO and all that Jazz

 

[jjenny]

Sorry, I haven't read through the whole thread yet, but your post just sparked a memory. If you are weaning or going off xanax completely, one of the most troubling possible side effects is seizures- particularly if you've been using it long term.

I just keep thinking of Amy and how everyone instantly assumed it was a drug overdose.
We need to keep in mind that coming off drugs can be just as dangerous as abusing them if you are not under the proper supervision of a professional.

JMO and all that Jazz

And everyone was right in Amy's case because it was alcohol overdose, and alcohol is a drug. She had a lot of alcohol in her system when she died.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Although I appreciate and have enjoyed WH's recordings over the years, I never realized that she was this famous. I guess once you're famous, you're famous but this is crazy. It was no secret that she battled drug and alcohol addiction for most of her adult life so, I find it interesting that the media is portraying her death as such an untimely surprise. The untimely part is because it happened the day before the Grammy Awards.

It makes me sad for her daughter, her mother and others who were close to her but I'm also sad for the angst, fear and pain that they've endured due to the behavior of the living Whitney and her illness. The ultimate sadness is the fact that she couldn't get past it and move on to a more peaceful life.

There are too many famous people who, it seems, just can't get over themselves. Everyone goes through changes in their lives that they either address or are taken over by. You can't live for the praise of another. It's sad when we hear of these things but it's hard to feel that sorry for people who have every resource at their fingertips in order to help themselves but still don't/can't do it. :twocents:

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I've always wondered if there were a greater sin than wasting God-given talent.

If anyone is paying close attention though, her story may serve as a teacher for others. The disease doesn't discriminate but it's one of those that we have a choice over how we treat it so it doesn't get us in the end. Some people don't seem to care and say something's going to get me anyway so I might as well party.

 

[butwhatif?]

And everyone was right in Amy's case because it was alcohol overdose, and alcohol is a drug. She had a lot of alcohol in her system when she died.

Thanks for correcting me JJ. I must have stopped following while there was still a lot of speculation and before the official COD was released, so I was under the impression that it was going cold turkey that killed her.

I do worry though when these cases are so high profile that people who are taking rather than abusing their rx meds will suddenly stop taking them without consulting their doctor.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

And everyone was right in Amy's case because it was alcohol overdose, and alcohol is a drug. She had a lot of alcohol in her system when she died.

Normally when people die from too much alcohol, it's call alcohol poisoning, not a drug overdose.

I'm sure butwhatif meant, people were not right in the fact Amy did not die from what is called a drug overdose.

JMO

 

[21merc7]

Since we are still uncertain what she died from, I would like to toss in this. She was 48. Her body would start to change, it already had, but it gets older, tired, arthritic. Her voice already had, but would have without the drugs too, your voice just changes as you get older, can't sustain the length of time to do a show, can't hit any high notes anymore, it is part of the human body and aging. It would be very difficult to think about getting on stage again. Was that part of the plan and it was just too much?

Since I was not a big fan, I have been looking up all that everyone here already seemed to know about. It is very sad to see someone on stage that really should no longer be. She is not the only one to return to the stage and really should not.

It is sad about the drugs and alcohol. Like most, she may have been trying to go to a nice quiet place in her mind through them, she was burned out and burned up by the requirements of fame. It is not a 9 to 5 job, it is not an easy job, it sucks, and it sucks the life out of you. So does the media, the fans, and of course the relationship snuck in a quiet enemy that leached her even further.

I have to agree with someone mentioning heroin earlier. Some of the videos of messed up WH really point to that as one of the drugs of choice at certain times. Crack was in the mix too, read her interviews and BB's. They were doing them all, and thought that is what stars do. Very sad, very, very much so. I know we can only blame the person that starts the drugs to begin with, but usually there are underlying (self medicating) reasons. I haven't met a junkie that didn't have a lot of problems before the drugs began.

Her story is fresh to me, as I did not follow all of these years. I see a very sad woman, a conflicted life, trying anything to get herself back, but it was too late.

Perhaps singers and actors should start their own form of helping. Like "Lawyers helping Lawyers" or "Doctors helping Doctors". When one of their own has taken it too far, they are threatened with license revocation. They must complete rehab and join the group, they must stay in the group for x amount of years and stay clean in order to continue to practice. They can volunteer later if they choose to. The group is made of lawyers or doctors that are now clean, so they know the ropes, they know the signs, they have been there before.

Sorry, rambling...

 

[SwampMama]

I'm thinking that the tox screen will come back with CDT as the cause of death. CDT is combined drug toxicity which is when no single drug in the system is at a lethal level but there are multiple drugs which have a synergistic effect. It seems to be a new catchall diagnosis for many recent deaths where there was no obvious overdose or cause but there were drugs present on the scene and in the system of the deceased.

Or it could have been a seizure as well. So far they are claiming that she didn't die of drowning. Oddly, there have been article about the fact that Whitney didn't take bath or would usually have someone with her (which to me would indicate previous seizure problems).

A few years back i had many scary episodes of passing out, sometimes going into a seizure. they happened while driving ,working etc and I even stopped breathing during one and my late fiance was a first responder and did CPR on me. There never was a diagnosis why this happened and it has been years since it last happened. But I had to promise everyone to bath with the door unlocked and to keep making noise by talking, singing, etc. But you can die suddenly of a seizure and it won't show on the autopsy as a seizure and will be attributed to something else, unless there is a history of seizures.

While I feel bad for Whitney's family and feel really bad for Bobbi Kristina, Whitney lost me as a fan with the "crack is whack" interview. Sorry but her snotty, I'm too rich to do crack, attitude spoke multitudes about her denial and her attitude that she was better than other addicts because she had way to much money to ever do crack because crack is cheap.

I watched that interview again and she was so freaking snotty and full of BS. From the fake accent to the imperious, superior way that she dismissed Diane's questions, there is no doubt Whitney had lost her grip on reality. She seemed high in the interview as well.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytJpZguSy2U"]clip of Whitney Houston on Diane Sawyer - YouTube[/ame]

How dare she think that her money made her invincible to addiction and better than crack addicts. But drugs are the great equalizer and don;t care if you are rich, talented or famous, they will kill you just the same. Sadly, Whitney learned this lesson the hard way and her child will suffer for it.

Poor Bobbi Kristina had become her own mother's caretaker in recent years because Whitney was incapable of staying sober or making responsible choices on her own

 

[ontariolynn]

I'm thinking that the tox screen will come back with CDT as the cause of death. CDT is combined drug toxicity which is when no single drug in the system is at a lethal level but there are multiple drugs which have a synergistic effect. It seems to be a new catchall diagnosis for many recent deaths where there was no obvious overdose or cause but there were drugs present on the scene and in the system of the deceased.

Or it could have been a seizure as well. So far they are claiming that she didn't die of drowning. Oddly, there have been article about the fact that Whitney didn't take bath or would usually have someone with her (which to me would indicate previous seizure problems).

A few years back i had many scary episodes of passing out, sometimes going into a seizure. they happened while driving ,working etc and I even stopped breathing during one and my late fiance was a first responder and did CPR on me. There never was a diagnosis why this happened and it has been years since it last happened. But I had to promise everyone to bath with the door unlocked and to keep making noise by talking, singing, etc. But you can die suddenly of a seizure and it won't show on the autopsy as a seizure and will be attributed to something else, unless there is a history of seizures.

While I feel bad for Whitney's family and feel really bad for Bobbi Kristina, Whitney lost me as a fan with the "crack is whack" interview. Sorry but her snotty, I'm too rich to do crack, attitude spoke multitudes about her denial and her attitude that she was better than other addicts because she had way to much money to ever do crack because crack is cheap.

I watched that interview again and she was so freaking snotty and full of BS. From the fake accent to the imperious, superior way that she dismissed Diane's questions, there is no doubt Whitney had lost her grip on reality. She seemed high in the interview as well.

clip of Whitney Houston on Diane Sawyer - YouTube

How dare she think that her money made her invincible to addiction and better than crack addicts. But drugs are the great equalizer and don;t care if you are rich, talented or famous, they will kill you just the same. Sadly, Whitney learned this lesson the hard way and her child will suffer for it.

Poor Bobbi Kristina had become her own mother's caretaker in recent years because Whitney was incapable of staying sober or making responsible choices on her own

Excellent post, and I totally agree with everything that you said, I watched that interveiw when it was on T.V. but what did she mean when she said to Diane crack is wack, I did not understand then, and as of today I still do not understand,

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Here's an alternative thought that occurred to me Saturday night but then I forgot about it as it's a dark one - what if Whitney committed suicide?
Although many have denied it, it's been noted that she had been acting rather strangely for a few days prior to her death.

Could she have chosen to go out like she did to include choosing the timing and place of her death as a kind of Swan song? The timing of her death makes it suspect. Not to mention, the night before she died, Clive Davis appeared on Pierce Morgan's show and they discussed how other singers may soon reach Whitney's status as the all time greatest female vocalist. Maybe she couldn't handle the thought of that. She may have felt it was over for her and put all her worth in her singing ability.

 

[21merc7]

Here is the transcript of crack is whack. It is very contradictory, and the one where she and BB agree "sex, drugs and rock 'n roll" is what they are expected to do. It is 10 years old, and people change, but at this time rehab was not on their minds.

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment...im-person-life/story?id=15574357#.Tzru1M5Fuwg

Here is BB, just last April, saying he is glad to be off heroin, crack, and coke:

http://theurbandaily.com/gossip-new...n-im-grateful-to-be-off-heroin-cocaine-crack/

I also believe BB was silently destroying WH. She loved him, thought he would be the man, a protector and provider, and listened to him. He couldn't take that she had the "girl next door" image and was more famous than he. She didn't see it coming, and self medicated through years of denial.

I was suggesting she may have intentionally taken too many meds earlier also.

I am sorry WH did this. I am sorry for anyone that does. I really worry about Bobbi K, I don't know how much or what kind of future a child raised to think in this way has.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I'm thinking that the tox screen will come back with CDT as the cause of death. CDT is combined drug toxicity which is when no single drug in the system is at a lethal level but there are multiple drugs which have a synergistic effect. It seems to be a new catchall diagnosis for many recent deaths where there was no obvious overdose or cause but there were drugs present on the scene and in the system of the deceased.

Or it could have been a seizure as well. So far they are claiming that she didn't die of drowning. Oddly, there have been article about the fact that Whitney didn't take bath or would usually have someone with her (which to me would indicate previous seizure problems).

A few years back i had many scary episodes of passing out, sometimes going into a seizure. they happened while driving ,working etc and I even stopped breathing during one and my late fiance was a first responder and did CPR on me. There never was a diagnosis why this happened and it has been years since it last happened. But I had to promise everyone to bath with the door unlocked and to keep making noise by talking, singing, etc. But you can die suddenly of a seizure and it won't show on the autopsy as a seizure and will be attributed to something else, unless there is a history of seizures.

While I feel bad for Whitney's family and feel really bad for Bobbi Kristina, Whitney lost me as a fan with the "crack is whack" interview. Sorry but her snotty, I'm too rich to do crack, attitude spoke multitudes about her denial and her attitude that she was better than other addicts because she had way to much money to ever do crack because crack is cheap.

I watched that interview again and she was so freaking snotty and full of BS. From the fake accent to the imperious, superior way that she dismissed Diane's questions, there is no doubt Whitney had lost her grip on reality. She seemed high in the interview as well.

clip of Whitney Houston on Diane Sawyer - YouTube

How dare she think that her money made her invincible to addiction and better than crack addicts. But drugs are the great equalizer and don;t care if you are rich, talented or famous, they will kill you just the same. Sadly, Whitney learned this lesson the hard way and her child will suffer for it.

Poor Bobbi Kristina had become her own mother's caretaker in recent years because Whitney was incapable of staying sober or making responsible choices on her own

Tell it like it is sister. I agree 100 percent. The proof is that video and I have no doubt that she was higher than a kite.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

You have to hand it to Diane Sawyer for asking the hard questions. She is such a good reporter but always stays down to earth. She's my fave.

 

[gngr~snap]

Here's an alternative thought that occurred to me Saturday night but then I forgot about it as it's a dark one - what if Whitney committed suicide?
Although many have denied it, it's been noted that she had been acting rather strangely for a few days prior to her death.

Could she have chosen to go out like she did to include choosing the timing and place of her death as a kind of Swan song? The timing of her death makes it suspect. Not to mention, the night before she died, Clive Davis appeared on Pierce Morgan's show and they discussed how other singers may soon reach Whitney's status as the all time greatest female vocalist. Maybe she couldn't handle the thought of that. She may have felt it was over for her and put all her worth in her singing ability.

Something else odd was the last song she sang in public at a party in a bar was "Jesus Loves Me"... I for one have NEVER heard that song at a bar ever.

 

[Only4Justice]

And to all my fellow WS's who may be struggling with addiction themselves or know someone who is, you are not alone! Addiction is not a weakness or a character flaw, it is a powerful disease. We need to remove the shame around reaching out for help and realize, the disease of addiction is bigger than any/all of us! JMO~

Thank YOU so much for this post! I am a recovering alcoholic, and it helps to hear that people get that it is a disease. Who would chose it, it is an awful fight.

 

[LadyL]

I truly believe with all my heart that WH was a stone heroin addict and spent years trying to call her addiction anything else but. Coke, Pot anything but the plain fact...which has such a stigma attached that she knew she would be ruined if the total truth came out.

I would not be suprised to learn that she was on methadone and other maintenance drugs.

I think it was hidden in every possible way..but the look of Whitney is unmistakable.

JUNK.
HEROIN
SMACK

all of this totally explains her hoarse voice and innability to sing the night before.

I just heard on JVM that she was asking people...help me....the night before.

I think she snorted heroin and died in the tub, I think the scene was sanititized and I am sticking to my story.

poor woman...no one helped her.

And I think she was deeply ashamed of being a common heroin doper, hence all the lying.

-bbm-

it`s possible but I think Whitney`s voice was hoarse because that`s what happens to singers after awhile, esp. if they haven`t been `resting`their chords in preparation for a performance ... she also smoked cigarettes

many vocalists have to stay `silent`prior to a concert & their voice isn`t always `ready` if they get called up on stage spur of the moment

like any other instrument, it has to be maintained & repaired occasionally

Celine, Mariah, Christina, Kelly Clarkson ... you will hear the same hoarsness in their voices frequently

 

[LadyL]

Someone upthread posted that Bobbi has been to rehab already (isn't she only 18?). I had never heard that before and if it's been substantiated here, I missed it. Does anyone have a link? Thanks.

ETA: It's a pretty serious accusation to make if it can't be backed up. The poor girl just lost her mother and to have rumors spread about her, especially at this time, is cruel.

thank you

the only time that I`m aware of that Krissie went to rehab was when she went WITH her mother who was being treated because it was one of those places where you can take family ...