Whitney Houston passed away on 2/11/12 - Part 1

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  • #481
I heard last night that she was not in the tub, but collapsed over the tub, so that half of her was dry.

this sounds suspicious.

the other thing that worries me...is the additional meal in the bathroom.

was someone in there with her? was the turkey sandwich for someone else?

do people collapse face down like that? if it was a pill alchohol od...where is the vomit?

sorry...it still sounds like smack to me. Wonder why Dr. Drew doesn't seem to pick up on that...maybe he doesn't want the liability of stating what is obvious.
 
  • #482
Not understanding how she could be face down "with her legs up?" If she was half in the tub and half out, her legs wouldn't be up would they?

So strange. Really wondering if they were trying to "wake" her from a drug coma or something (just my speculation only)
 
  • #483
Profuse sweating is a symptom of heart attack for men, too, and the sweating usually accompanies radiating pain in the chest, back, arm, or neck.

I was thinking more menopause as the cause of the sweating. She also had abdominal bloating and have seen people wonder if it could be from liver disease or even pregnancy. I don't think her abdomen looks unusual for a menopausal or perimenopausal woman. It's normal to gain weight in the abdomen at that age.

But people also mentioned that either on Friday or Saturday during the day Whitney was seen wandering around the hotel lobby in mismatched clothes and behaving oddly. They said she did handstands next to the pool. They said she unexpectedly walked in during an interview that was being done with Clive Davis, Brandy and Monica and one of them said something to the effect of "You're wet again. Why are you wet again?" and Whitney said she swims every day. It would be interesting to know if she actually did swim in the pool.

It sounds like all of her friends and staff were busy doing their own thing and not paying attention to what Whitney was doing. I know she was a grown woman, but it would have been nice if she'd had a friend there looking out for her. Too bad someone like Chaka Khan wasn't there. She questioned why Whitney was flown in a week or so before the party knowing she has addiction issues. I agree with that. I know someone who is an alcoholic and none of his "friends" and family confront him about it because they love hanging out and drinking with him. They don't want to lose their drinking buddy. He's a lot of fun to be with. So selfish, if you ask me. Instead of doing what is right for him, they enable him because they want to spend time with him. Probably the same with Whitney.

You know, she did her unscheduled performance the night before ,kind of trying to hone in on someone else's moment...then butting in on Clive's interview...

sounds to me like the addict Whitney couldn't take not being worshiped and the center of everyone's attention...her comeback was turning out a cool reception.

I think she just flew out of control....
 
  • #484
Not understanding how she could be face down "with her legs up?" If she was half in the tub and half out, her legs wouldn't be up would they?

So strange. Really wondering if they were trying to "wake" her from a drug coma or something (just my speculation only)

could she have fallen backwards? she would have hit her head right?

it's going to be "sanitized" for the sake of the family.... el lay style.
 
  • #485
or maybe she was sitting on the edge of the tub and rolled backwards.

strange.
 
  • #486
You know, she did her unscheduled performance the night before ,kind of trying to hone in on someone else's moment...then butting in on Clive's interview...

sounds to me like the addict Whitney couldn't take not being worshiped and the center of everyone's attention...her comeback was turning out a cool reception.

I think she just flew out of control....

During the Today show (Kathie Lee and Hoda hour), my local TV station teased an upcoming Inside Edition report about Whitney having been upset about seeing her boyfriend talking with another woman :rolleyes: I don't know where this information is coming from, but it sounds like the media is digging for dirt in Whitney's demise. I hope her family isn't watching or listening to the ongoing soap opera. jmo

http://www.insideedition.com/
 
  • #487
yes , she was lashing out... she knew the guest of honor was going to win a grammy, too.

it was all too much...she wanted out.


narcissism kills.
 
  • #488
Ya but if she fell backwards her face wouldn't be face down in the water would it? Maybe I guess, like she was sitting up with her head all the way down to her lap in the water? Eesh I gotta stop thinking about this lol. Here is a tweet that I especially liked:

12 Feb » Caissie Caissie St.Onge
Having worked for & with a # of celebrities, I am left with this: Being famous is hard. Like the rollercoaster of how we all feel when someone "special" follows us here, or responds or RTs, or the sting when someone grows bored & unfollows. But real & times a billion.And, yeah, having money is nice. But it really isn't everything. And if you're sitting on a big pile of money & your life is still broke...how could you do anything but despair? And you go cuckoo & nobody will tell you "No!" because you're the Emperor, clothed or not. You're the boss. And everybody needs things now that they are with you. And even when it spirals, accidentally & predictably all the way out of control, your poor dead body has to endure one final round of reviews of your Swan song from the world. No. Thanks.

http://twitter.com/Caissie
 
  • #489
You know, she did her unscheduled performance the night before ,kind of trying to hone in on someone else's moment...then butting in on Clive's interview...

sounds to me like the addict Whitney couldn't take not being worshiped and the center of everyone's attention...her comeback was turning out a cool reception.

I think she just flew out of control....

And also the reports of her getting up on stage at Prince concerts and finally being banned. I have read conflicting reports as to whether that is true but I read one thing that quoted Prince as saying he didn't want her to embarrass herself. I also was just looking at YouTube and there are lots of instances where she is up on stage with another performer, one with Chaka Khan singing "Tell Me Something Good." Looks to me like an impromptu thing, not rehearsed and scheduled. So I wonder if she did that a lot, taking the stage and singing when it wasn't her performance.

She also is very overweight in some of her performances during her comeback. What I see is: She stopped using drugs and gained weight when she was no longer using drugs. She planned on making a comeback and she thought people would welcome her. Instead, she was told she was fat and could no longer sing and was not well received. It makes me wonder if the cool reception to her comeback caused her to run back to her comfort zone of drugs (not saying it's anyone's fault but her own, but I can see how that could be her response). I mean, if you struggled to get sober, and in the process gained weight, but you thought you were going to make a comeback and would be welcomed with open arms, but got a different response, I can see how devastating that would have been.

I have to say, some of the times her voice doesn't sound that bad, though not what it once was. It's better at its worst than mine has ever been, though!
 
  • #490
During the Today show (Kathie Lee and Hoda hour), my local TV station teased an upcoming Inside Edition report about Whitney having been upset about seeing her boyfriend talking with another woman :rolleyes: I don't know where this information is coming from, but it sounds like the media is digging for dirt in Whitney's demise. I hope her family isn't watching or listening to the ongoing soap opera. jmo

http://www.insideedition.com/

That happened Thursday night. It was Stacy Francis.
 
  • #491
Her voice was gone.

it wasn't her weight..she needed to sit her 🤬🤬🤬 down and re-invent herself...which I think she was trying to do...but I think jealousy and addiction mentality took over.

she really looks good in the beginning of her LA trip...FANTASTIC...

then she unravels...she can't cope with the anger she feels, she knows better than to barge in on an interview and blatantly use her daughter so everyone will remember Clive is her baby's godfather...completely unhinged and out of control.

she followed herself down.
 
  • #492
yesterday on HLN one of the blurbs was "friend: whitney clean for 3 years... only alcohol now" (or something close to this)... i was shocked that this "friend" lacked so much insight to say this...


and from yahoo news: NJ flag to fly @ half mast for funeral... really? for a celeb? with drug and alcohol problems? unreal!!

http://news.yahoo.com/nj-flags-fly-half-staff-whitney-houston-221734165.html
 
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  • #495
Profuse sweating is a symptom of heart attack for men, too, and the sweating usually accompanies radiating pain in the chest, back, arm, or neck.

I was thinking more menopause as the cause of the sweating. She also had abdominal bloating and have seen people wonder if it could be from liver disease or even pregnancy. I don't think her abdomen looks unusual for a menopausal or perimenopausal woman. It's normal to gain weight in the abdomen at that age.

But people also mentioned that either on Friday or Saturday during the day Whitney was seen wandering around the hotel lobby in mismatched clothes and behaving oddly. They said she did handstands next to the pool. They said she unexpectedly walked in during an interview that was being done with Clive Davis, Brandy and Monica and one of them said something to the effect of "You're wet again. Why are you wet again?" and Whitney said she swims every day. It would be interesting to know if she actually did swim in the pool.

It sounds like all of her friends and staff were busy doing their own thing and not paying attention to what Whitney was doing. I know she was a grown woman, but it would have been nice if she'd had a friend there looking out for her. Too bad someone like Chaka Khan wasn't there. She questioned why Whitney was flown in a week or so before the party knowing she has addiction issues. I agree with that. I know someone who is an alcoholic and none of his "friends" and family confront him about it because they love hanging out and drinking with him. They don't want to lose their drinking buddy. He's a lot of fun to be with. So selfish, if you ask me. Instead of doing what is right for him, they enable him because they want to spend time with him. Probably the same with Whitney.

Your post is very good, but I listened to Dr. drew last night, and he made some good comments, first of all she just finished another stint in rehab in May, then went on to make a movie when she should have been working her program, making positive changes in her life, such as the friends that drank, did drugs whatever, she needed new people to be with that did not have the same problem as her, also she needed to take more time off, maybe a year maybe longer, just for her, but the bottom line is, the people that she supported would lose their almighty meal ticket, they did not care about her, they cared more about the bucks she could bring in, therefore if she drank, did pills whatever that was fine with them, as long as she brought in the $$$
I watched her short performance on the Thursday night with Kelly, my god, she was so out of it on the stage, and yet they all say Whitney was fine, her usual self, well maybe that is what she was all the time high on pills, or booze, and to them that was the norm, so very sad how she was used by almost all of them, I know she was an adult, but a lot of the people were users, and just takers, RIP Whitney:angel2:
 
  • #496
Thank you. I was wondering if it could be a medical condition for WH, but I had never heard of anything about not taking a bath. This could very well be the problem. Now it makes sense.

Makes ya wonder! Didn't Bobbi Kristina have a similar episode the previous night? I thought I read that upthread... Wonder if it is a familial thing unrelated to drugs/alcohol, or perhaps aggravated by them? I'm going to look into that.
 
  • #497
The weight gain didn't bother me, she was 48, it was just that time in life. The sweating did, sweating when not under one of those hotter than the sun giant stage lights. IDK if hot flashes make your hair wet like that.

I have to agree she was taking care of too many people's finances, according to whacky and cannot tell one story from another "star" reports. But, where was any new money coming from? She had to work, so taking a year off is not happening, not for anyone just out of rehab, you have to pay the bills regardless of your health or habits.

Here are some links on heart attack symptoms for women, they can occur up to a month or more before the heart attack!!

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/heart-attack-symptoms/HB00054

http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/features/her-guide-to-a-heart-attack
 
  • #498
Makes ya wonder! Didn't Bobbi Kristina have a similar episode the previous night? I thought I read that upthread... Wonder if it is a familial thing unrelated to drugs/alcohol, or perhaps aggravated by them? I'm going to look into that.

Well, the ex-body guard (on Entertainment Tonight last night) said he made the no baths rule b/c of her drug use. So I'm guessing she passed out a lot rather quickly, which could be heroin or maybe pills and alcohol combo. That leads me to believe daughter is doing the same drugs.
 
  • #499
Another thought on the "why Whitney was usually not allowed to bath without someone around...

I already discussed the seizure theory but then another thought came to mind as well. If someone is a drug user and is constantly surrounded by people, then how could they ever be alone to do drugs?

By going to the bathroom, that's how! Whether they say they have to go to the bathroom or are going to take a long bath, it gives them time and privacy to do their drugs. Running water can cover the sounds and soaps and such can mask the smell of drugs being done (if there was a smell, depending on the drug).

Snorting coke or heroin would be the best method of ingestion as it needs no needles, pipes, lighters, etc. All you need is a nose and a flat surface and a piece of paper to roll up in a tube shape, then the paper used can be flushed, the drugs were most likely also stored in paper as well.

So perhaps THAT is why she usually wasn't allowed to go bathe alone. She had to be watched at all times which means she wasn't in full recovery but rather a forced recovery.

About the sweating or heart attack theories.. well crack and cocaine and even meth (I think) cause a speeding up of the heart, can raise temperature and cause heart problems. (I had a crack addict die in my front yard after he partied with my weird neighbors. Of course all of his "friends" took off and left me there to deal with the dying crack head cuz they knew cops were coming. The dead man had a pacemaker from previous problems with drugs and yet kept doing them!! That is the lure of drugs to addicts, the will willingly risk death.)

Certain drugs do raise the body's temperature and so does withdrawals, so she could have been dealing with that.

Or, just like me, she could be dealing with hormone issues and hot flashes which have me sweating when even when it is freezing outside. I will go sit on the porch is shorts and a tank top in freezing weather, trying to cool down. But hormones issues also cause irritability, irrationality, emotional reactions, etc which could trigger problems as well.

But more likely, given her past, drugs are going to be an issue in her death. Being in the Grammy party atmosphere most likely brought her in contact with drug suppliers who may have given her a freebee or hooked her up with a supply that had not been there before. If she hadn't had drugs for a while and had taken a dose that was equivalent to what she took at the height of her addiction, then that dose could cause an overdose.

Or maybe the drugs weren't working fast enough so she did more.

Or maybe she had a dose of the drugs and knew she would have to get rid of the evidence and just did them all , rather than throw the extras away and accidentally ODed.

Whitney was no doubt despondent and probably irate about being there and NOT being the center of attention, everyone was younger, prettier and more talented. Whitney's voice had been ruined and she had a history of barging on on stage at other people's performances and causing problems. So she was most likely shunned and quite mad about it.

I feel bad for her family and especially her daughter, who is probably deal with survivor guilt over not being able to save her mom and blaming herself when it was NOT her fault at all.

In the end, arrogance and drugs can be a deadly combination. Whitney never humbled herself and admitted her addiction which is a necessary part of recovery. She felt she was "too rich to do crack". A cocaine addict is no better than a crack addict is no better than an alcoholic. They are all the same. (I say this with no disrespect as many people I live have been addicts or are in recovery).

Whitney never did the step where she admitted her problem and asked forgiveness for the things she did against others (like showing up on their stage during a live performance). So nobody forgave her since she never apologized and she didn't feel she had done any wrong, she felt everyone should be honored that she showed up.

So she got a cool reception from people, watched others being fawned over and adored while she was shunned. And it snowballed from there ultimately ending in her death.
 
  • #500
That happened Thursday night. It was Stacy Francis.

I knew about that altercation but didn't realize that it might have been a "jealousy" thing. IE is making this sound like something new, but I guess when there's nothing new to report, they have to recycle old news. I realize that IE is sort of a tabloid news program, but it's the only one that I watch, and I like Deborah Norville. Besides, IE comes on after local news at 4:00, so my TV is already on that channel :D
 
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