Whitney Houston passed away on 2/11/12 - Part 2

[Luzianne]

I agree about most people on WS being themselves. I've been a member for about 9 yrs. now and have never had trouble expressing myself.

I have a high tolerance also. To go to sleep I take 1mg. Xanax (alprazolam), 150 mg. Elavil (amitriptyline) & 60 mg. Restoril (temazepam) and it still takes about 2 hrs. to kick in. The pharmacist told me that would make him sleep for 3 days. LOL I only started taking the 2nd benzo after my sister passed almost 3 yrs. ago. It may seem like alot to some but you have to have sleep that's why alot of these "stars" take them cuz they can't sleep. I understand. Not being able to sleep, fall asleep or stay asleep SUX! Thankfully I have not built up a tolerance and have kept the same "sleep cocktail" for years in addition to my Prozac and 3 more mg. of Xanax that I take throughout the day.

I have to admit I am wreckless though and do play the "fire game" with booze & Xanax.

Here I am awake at 2:10 a.m. My mom died a year ago and my dad died not long before that. Ever since my mom died my sleep patterns have been all messed up. At first I would go to bed but my mind wouldn't turn off. I'd finally get to sleep, I'd dream about her and my dad. And when I did finally get to sleep it was almost time to get up. I'd get up and work all day and then the next night, same thing, even though I hadn't had any sleep, and it was almost as if I were "wired" or something because I'd be running with no sleep (with no drugs, no alcohol) and was able to function and I don't know how. I had to be running on adrenaline.

It's better now. I do get more sleep, but at odd times, and sometimes only a couple of hours a night. Now I avoid going to bed. I don't know why. I don't lie awake and think and think and think anymore like I did right after her death, but I still avoid going to bed. I just don't want to. So I stay up when I know I should be sleeping. I fall asleep on the couch in the evenings sometimes and then I'm wide awake about 11.

I have put off talking to my doctor about it because I'm afraid they will want to prescribe me an antidepressant, or a sleeping pill, or an anxiolytic medication, and I really don't want to be under the influence of any drug and start down a path I don't want to be on. Not so much antidepressants, although I know there can be problems with those too. I figured I'd just handle it naturally, but it HAS been over a year now. I've tried tea and melatonin. I just don't want to take a chance on getting addicted to anything. I have never been addicted to anything and I don't want to start now. I know I could get addicted just as easily as the next person.

 

[gngr~snap]

Why'd this guy come forward with this now and why didn't he call cps when it happened?

I am not directing this at you personally.:seeya:

According to the LAW they are ADULTS at 18.
What exactly happens as they sleep the night before their birthday that
transforms them into logical thinking adults like us?

AS a nurse I know that " Brain research indicating that brain development is not complete until near the age of 25, refers specifically to the development of the prefrontal cortex"
http://www.hhs.gov/opa/familylife/t...rain/Development/prefrontal_cortex/index.html

There are so many opinions about any "child" over 17.
"THEY ARE 18...IT'S NOT LIKE THEY ARE A CHILD"
BUT if they go"missing" there is no Amber Alert!
Oh well he/she is over 18 they are an adult and can choose to go missing.:what:
I wonder how many young adults/women ever really just choose to disappear? They have no life experience to draw on and those that do may end up having to do unspeakable things for their next meal
THIS REALLY CHAPS MY hinder boo!
ANY~WAY- back on topic

Bobbi Kristina will be 19 on March 4th (I think)
CPS won't do anything for her now! It has been documented and reported over the past what? 10 years that BK's parents had drug problems on TV. NO ONE called or ever stepped in. It is VERY unlikely to happen to any "child" old enough to walk away or call for help on her own. CPS is too busy with newborns addicted to drugs and relocating toddlers & siblings to foster care
Many of these kids have to be relocated numerous times because they have not been taught how to even act human by their drug /alcohol addicted family members. I don't mean anyone on this forum with personal/family issues I mean the ones that are "UNCAPABLE" of forming a sentence due to addiction and still delivering babies!

As a mother of a 19 yo son and a 20 yo daughter (married since 10/15/2011) ~nope! no pregnancies or bambinos yet! Just married for ♥♥♥
They are still kids! They still need guidance.
Yes an 18 yr old can enlist in the military I know! He/she also gets fast forward life lessons of actions/consequences in basic training!

What has BK gotten? What kind of damage has her tender brain been exposed to? For how long? How often? She parrots her mother and when she could't handle an emotion or a situation WHAT DID SHE DO?
Exactly what she has watched her mom do all her life!!!

Look at how the family reacted to Whitney! not before she died but after! They will do the same with BK. If someone does not step in AND SOON it will be BK's funeral next. Not because she is suicidal... because she is 18! She is immortal in her eyes. She thinks "THAT WILL NEVER happen to me!" I'm smarter than my mom...
etc. etc.
18yo-19yo-23yo...I STILL see them as kids.
CPS doesn't... LAW ENFORCEMENT doesn't... Psychiatrists do...
and so do their mama's!
OK even when my kids are over 50 they will still be "children" to me:innocent:

Unfortunately Bobbi Kristina's path is up to her. Even IF they admitted her for help, she can leave on her own free will after 72 hours. hint She's an adult!
Surely there is a reformed addict that BK respects that could help her???
Might even be one that has never used any mind altering substance that could take her under his wing and re-raise her right!


ok I'm done ~sorry
moo

 

[21merc7]

So Darlene Love was Houston's "godmother" as well? Apparently, so was every black singer of the past 50 years!

That must have been one hell of a christening! Too bad they don't have a tape of it.

(Just a joke. I know the Houston family are Baptists and that denomination doesn't practice christening.)

Whitney called Aretha "Aunt Ree" even though they are not related. I don't know where Darlene Love comes in, but all media are calling her godmother. I think some reporter got it wrong long ago and called Aretha the godmother (when she is not) and it stuck. Probably something to do with a nickname like "Godmother of Soul" or something like that. Only one place has tried to stop the calling Aretha Godmother and pointed out that Whitney simply called her Aunt, but still the media is using godmother. Just another detail that celeb news can't get right, I've really come to believe that celeb news is mostly fabricated after a 2 second phone call.

 

[21merc7]

Bobby Brown may be cashing in on Whitney Houston's death by releasing a tell-all book.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/02/bobby-brown-tell-all-book-whitney-houston-death

 

[daisy.faithfull]

I know Clive Davis comes across on TV like a Dickens villain, but lack of telegeneity isn't actually a crime.

Yes, Whitney Houston made him more money than most of us will ever see, but Davis has been an industry leader for decades and almost certainly would have amassed a fortune even if Houston never came along.

I think he makes an easy scapegoat in all of this but he was basically an employer to these singers, even if he also befriended them. What employer doesn't want his employees to work hard? What employer pays for the funerals of his employees?

For me its not just that he seemed creepy at her home going. It did seem to me that others at the service had a different reaction the CD than they did to other speakers/performers. Of course that is an interpretation of mine, but I don't think that it is at all unusual for people here at Websleuths to evaluate situations in that manner.

No one in Whitney's life made her do drugs for the last who knows how long or the ones that presumably caused her death. I'm not even pointing the finger at Bobby B. as causing Whitney's death or even that he caused a scene at the services, that he upset Bobbi Kristina or other family members. But it is a fact that he abused Whitney so I completely understand where people are coming from when they look suspiciously at Brown's behavior leading up to his leaving the home going services, how he has reached out to his daughter and his motivation for doing so. Personally I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the funeral, not so much so regarding the other stuff, my inner jury is still out, but I gotta say it doesn't look good for him.

It does become a bit hazy when it comes to stating with certainty that people in Whitney's life were enablers, used Whitney while she was alive or are "cashing in" on Whitney's death. But people are examining those situations and are developing conclusions, personally I don't see anything wrong with discussing our thoughts as we do so.

Employers and family members have a lot of influence over people. We've spent a great deal of time discussing co-depency, greed etc. issues when it comes to Whitney's family, how is it that CD is above reproach because of his successful career and status in the recording industry? Yes, he was an employer, in my mind he wasn't responsible for paying for Whitney's rehab or funeral services. Yes, employers want their employees to produce, but IMO those with great power and influence, especially those that are considered by some as being above reproach often times abuse their power and that hurts those they have control over.

When it comes to CD I'm considering his decision to proceed with the party. Yes, it wouldn't have been a party without the party goers, but IMO it blows my mind that people were walking to red carpet. I'm considering that he was the head of the "machine" that Whitney felt crushed by, others opinion of him and accusations (though denied) that he used funds inappropriately. There's just stuff there "that makes me go hmmmmmmmmmmm" ETA: And I appreciate your opinions offering a different perspective too, really, really I do, because it does contribute quite a bit to the discussion, it "makes me go hmmmmmmmmmmmm" too. Sometimes, many times, I think opinions that differ from where mine are headed are more valuable to me than those that agree, if that makes any sense.

 

[daisy.faithfull]

Heck yeah, they can do a tox faster. I've od'd 3 times in the last 2 yrs. (long story for people on here that do not know me) and they had what was in my system pronto!

It is strange that blood analysis in those situations are different than those that happen after an autopsy. But I've waited for those results when someone very close to me overdosed many years ago, and then recently was there to support a woman who waited for those results.

There was a case here in AZ, Skylar Newton, where drugs were suspected to have caused his death. I remember researching how long it took for tox results to come back and seeing on the medical examiner's website that the process took quite some time, although there was no explanation for why. So at least it is that way here in AZ. It could be different in other states, but the LA Times had an interesting article about why Whitney's results were taking so long.

I'm not attacking your opinion or you personally at all, your opinion just got me to thinking and those were my thoughts, sorry I'm so long winded.

 

[daisy.faithfull]

I had major kidney surgery and wasn;t given enough meds to keep me under so I was awake thru the surgery but paralyzed and unable to tell them. It was unbelieveable painful and traumatic and still gives me nightmares. Luckily an anesthesiologist noticed my vitals and gave me a bolus dose and I passed out thankfully. later the doctor commented he had never had to give a patient so much and I had NO history of narcotic use to have built up a tolerance.

Later that night they had me on a morphine pump and i was in severe pain and unable to sleep. i asked the nurse how could I use the morphine pump and give myself med if I was sleeping and she told me "If you are sleeping, you arent in pain". i suffered all night until an observant nurse noticed my heart rate was about 140 and ran to get me pain meds.

Anyway, as it turn out, redheads are naturally resistant to pain meds and anesthesia. It is a proven fact that knowledgeable anesthesiologist know and account for. i always wondered why Vicodin didnt give me the buzz that other people report but it turn out I need to take about 2 or 3 x the amount others take. As a result, i am often in pain with kidney stones and fibromyalgia because doctors are reluctant to prescribe even the smallest amounts of pain meds nowadays. So a drug level that might put you in a coma might be negligible to my pain.

Sorta OT here and yeah i kinda went into a rambling rant.

Unfortunately all of the drug abuse leads to genuine patients being left to suffer in pain and to be looked at suspiciously so even people who arent related to addicts suffer because of addicts.

But even a person with a great tolerance or habit may one day find that the dose that got them high one day will be enough to OD them the next day.

i really feel for Bobby Kristina because she has inherited the addiction gene from both parents along with the childhood raised by 2 addict parents and has spent her life trying to save her mom all to no avail. She will no doubt suffer survivors guilt as well. I hope that she will be able to find peace, put the drug demons to rest and maybe use her experience to help others addict or children of addicts.

I admire everyone at WS who have been honest and open with their experiences with drugs, childhood trauma and other rough experiences in life. Most websites have posters who lie about how great they are and assume false identities to make themselves look better but here at WS I see people making honest and open declarations of brutal truths and and I really admire everyone who does!!

I think you have an angel on your shoulder. Its so scary to know that that stuff happens and I wish it hadn't of happened to you.

Last week, I think Dr. Drew was answering questions that were coming up for viewers following coverage of Whitney's death. To me it sounded like he said that people that take pain meds for chronic pain and become dependent on them to relieve the pain are have a different brain than people that are addicted to them. I've had surgeries where those types of drugs were necessary before and after, but I consider myself lucky that I didn't become addicted because on Dr. Phil they were talking about chronic pain and said that it is the drugs that change the brian.

Do doctors know for certain what is going on with brains when it comes to that aspect of pain management? I have chronic pain and the docs have suggested I take meds when it is at its worst but those little pills scare the carp out of me, it seems like there are other aspects where they don't know for sure what's going on and I am scared to trust docs, and that in and of itself is scary. And then look at all the different experiences with how the drugs make people feel, what does that mean? I get scared because how am I supposed to know that I'm responding in a right way or a wrong way?

I think for what you've said in this thread you have medical training and have an understanding of brain physiology. How do regular people like me go about determining if a doc knows what is going on?

 

[daisy.faithfull]

Chauffers, housekeepers, nannies, cooks, etc. who are employed by the "rich and famous" know that they will lose their livelihoods if they "talk" about their employees. Any complaint filed against the "employer" who is rich and famous would likely deteriorate to a "he said, she said" situation - where money, prestige, and status win. jmo

I wish they'd try.

 

[daisy.faithfull]

I am not directing this at you personally.:seeya:

According to the LAW they are ADULTS at 18.
What exactly happens as they sleep the night before their birthday that
transforms them into logical thinking adults like us?

AS a nurse I know that " Brain research indicating that brain development is not complete until near the age of 25, refers specifically to the development of the prefrontal cortex"
http://www.hhs.gov/opa/familylife/t...rain/Development/prefrontal_cortex/index.html

There are so many opinions about any "child" over 17.
"THEY ARE 18...IT'S NOT LIKE THEY ARE A CHILD"
BUT if they go"missing" there is no Amber Alert!
Oh well he/she is over 18 they are an adult and can choose to go missing.:what:
I wonder how many young adults/women ever really just choose to disappear? They have no life experience to draw on and those that do may end up having to do unspeakable things for their next meal
THIS REALLY CHAPS MY hinder boo!
ANY~WAY- back on topic

Bobbi Kristina will be 19 on March 4th (I think)
CPS won't do anything for her now! It has been documented and reported over the past what? 10 years that BK's parents had drug problems on TV. NO ONE called or ever stepped in. It is VERY unlikely to happen to any "child" old enough to walk away or call for help on her own. CPS is too busy with newborns addicted to drugs and relocating toddlers & siblings to foster care
Many of these kids have to be relocated numerous times because they have not been taught how to even act human by their drug /alcohol addicted family members. I don't mean anyone on this forum with personal/family issues I mean the ones that are "UNCAPABLE" of forming a sentence due to addiction and still delivering babies!

As a mother of a 19 yo son and a 20 yo daughter (married since 10/15/2011) ~nope! no pregnancies or bambinos yet! Just married for ♥♥♥
They are still kids! They still need guidance.
Yes an 18 yr old can enlist in the military I know! He/she also gets fast forward life lessons of actions/consequences in basic training!

What has BK gotten? What kind of damage has her tender brain been exposed to? For how long? How often? She parrots her mother and when she could't handle an emotion or a situation WHAT DID SHE DO?
Exactly what she has watched her mom do all her life!!!

Look at how the family reacted to Whitney! not before she died but after! They will do the same with BK. If someone does not step in AND SOON it will be BK's funeral next. Not because she is suicidal... because she is 18! She is immortal in her eyes. She thinks "THAT WILL NEVER happen to me!" I'm smarter than my mom...
etc. etc.
18yo-19yo-23yo...I STILL see them as kids.
CPS doesn't... LAW ENFORCEMENT doesn't... Psychiatrists do...
and so do their mama's!
OK even when my kids are over 50 they will still be "children" to me:innocent:

Unfortunately Bobbi Kristina's path is up to her. Even IF they admitted her for help, she can leave on her own free will after 72 hours. hint She's an adult!
Surely there is a reformed addict that BK respects that could help her???
Might even be one that has never used any mind altering substance that could take her under his wing and re-raise her right!


ok I'm done ~sorry
moo

I know you're not directing any bad vibes towards me But that particular question was about why didn't he do anything when he saw Bobbi Kristina as a child with W and B in the backseat of his limo doing drugs.

Besides, that was a really good post about the issue of Bobbi Kristina and going to the hospital.

 

[21merc7]

Docs do not yet know how the brain functions fully yet, nor do they know how an individuals body, brain, nervous system, blood, organs, etc... respond to different medications. Each body is unique. That is why I always tell the older friends (90's) to talk with doctor when the meds are causing problems. They always say, but the doc knows what he/she is doing. I try to explain that the doc is never sure how a given med will effect any one person, to please talk to them. I dare NOT bring up that most of today's medications have not been fully tested, I am afraid that would terrify them. They are so trusting of any thing a doctor says or does.

 

[kato]

It is strange that blood analysis in those situations are different than those that happen after an autopsy. But I've waited for those results when someone very close to me overdosed many years ago, and then recently was there to support a woman who waited for those results.

There was a case here in AZ, Skylar Newton, where drugs were suspected to have caused his death. I remember researching how long it took for tox results to come back and seeing on the medical examiner's website that the process took quite some time, although there was no explanation for why. So at least it is that way here in AZ. It could be different in other states, but the LA Times had an interesting article about why Whitney's results were taking so long.

I'm not attacking your opinion or you personally at all, your opinion just got me to thinking and those were my thoughts, sorry I'm so long winded.

No worries. I did not take it as such.

 

[21merc7]

Aretha Franklin sent flowers to Whitney Houston's mother yesterday (21.02.12) to apologies for not attending the late singer's funeral.

"The Radio City show was already a makeup show from 2010. She would have been sued up the wazoo if she didn't show up."

more at link:

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/arts-and-life/entertainment/celebrities/139990693.html

 

[21merc7]

I did not believe the funeral filming would be sold, I do now:

National Enquirer posts Whitney Houston open casket photo on front page

link:

http://entertainment.blogs.foxnews....tney-houston-open-casket-photo-in-poor-taste/

 

[kato]

I did not believe the funeral filming would be sold, I do now:



link:

http://entertainment.blogs.foxnews....tney-houston-open-casket-photo-in-poor-taste/

That is beyond morbid!!! Just WTF did they get that picture? Someone sold out. Wonder who? PATHETIC!!!

I know they've don it to other celebs (James Brown for one) but for some reason this one rankles me.

 

[21merc7]

That is beyond morbid!!! Just WTF did they get that picture? Someone sold out. Wonder who? PATHETIC!!!

I know they've don it to other celebs (James Brown for one) but for some reason this one rankles me.

With James Brown that was an open casket service for the world to watch. It was a great funeral, btw.

Here someone did this, the family wanted that private for them. Their time with Whitney after they shared her with the world for 30 years. Someone got photos and sold them. I don't think this was anything Cissy would have wanted or done.

 

[katydid23]

For me its not just that he seemed creepy at her home going. It did seem to me that others at the service had a different reaction the CD than they did to other speakers/performers. Of course that is an interpretation of mine, but I don't think that it is at all unusual for people here at Websleuths to evaluate situations in that manner.

No one in Whitney's life made her do drugs for the last who knows how long or the ones that presumably caused her death. I'm not even pointing the finger at Bobby B. as causing Whitney's death or even that he caused a scene at the services, that he upset Bobbi Kristina or other family members. But it is a fact that he abused Whitney so I completely understand where people are coming from when they look suspiciously at Brown's behavior leading up to his leaving the home going services, how he has reached out to his daughter and his motivation for doing so. Personally I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the funeral, not so much so regarding the other stuff, my inner jury is still out, but I gotta say it doesn't look good for him.

It does become a bit hazy when it comes to stating with certainty that people in Whitney's life were enablers, used Whitney while she was alive or are "cashing in" on Whitney's death. But people are examining those situations and are developing conclusions, personally I don't see anything wrong with discussing our thoughts as we do so.

Employers and family members have a lot of influence over people. We've spent a great deal of time discussing co-depency, greed etc. issues when it comes to Whitney's family, how is it that CD is above reproach because of his successful career and status in the recording industry? Yes, he was an employer, in my mind he wasn't responsible for paying for Whitney's rehab or funeral services. Yes, employers want their employees to produce, but IMO those with great power and influence, especially those that are considered by some as being above reproach often times abuse their power and that hurts those they have control over.

When it comes to CD I'm considering his decision to proceed with the party. Yes, it wouldn't have been a party without the party goers, but IMO it blows my mind that people were walking to red carpet. I'm considering that he was the head of the "machine" that Whitney felt crushed by, others opinion of him and accusations (though denied) that he used funds inappropriately. There's just stuff there "that makes me go hmmmmmmmmmmm" ETA: And I appreciate your opinions offering a different perspective too, really, really I do, because it does contribute quite a bit to the discussion, it "makes me go hmmmmmmmmmmmm" too. Sometimes, many times, I think opinions that differ from where mine are headed are more valuable to me than those that agree, if that makes any sense.

BBM

But according to articles linked above, the guests were already arriving as the EMT's ran to the room. So the party had already started and people were already walking the red carpet. So I don't fault CD for that because it was kind of out of his control. And he himself did not attend.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

more at link:

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/arts-and-life/entertainment/celebrities/139990693.html

Yes. This had to be sold by somebody.

Horrible.

But, she looked very beautiful in that picture and at peace IMO.

 

[songline]

Hi everyone and thanks for this thread (just found it).
I have been both very sad and mad to.
Maybe one of you already said this I did not read the entire thread.
But with 12 people in the hotel, and YES they knew she was smashed
WHY didn’t someone insist that she not be in the bath alone?
Well... I think maybe the mooches just did not give a hoot!

That was a great great voice. so so sad.
Also imho - Bobby Brown is a dog.

 

[songline]

That is beyond morbid!!! Just WTF did they get that picture? Someone sold out. Wonder who? PATHETIC!!!

I know they've don it to other celebs (James Brown for one) but for some reason this one rankles me.

Buried with a half a million dollars of Jewels??
WHAT???
I bet her kid would love to have it.

:rocker:

 

[kato]

Buried with a half a million dollars of Jewels??
WHAT???
I bet her kid would love to have it.

:rocker:

Welcome to the WH thread. Glad you found it.

What she was buried in & with what doesn't bother me. I heard that BK, Cissy & Dionne picked out every thing she wore, i.e. clothes, jewelry, etc.

It bothers me that someone in a position of trust, be it someone at the viewing or funeral home employees, had such disrespect to even take that picture & then sell it.