Whitney Houston passed away on 2/11/12 - Part 2

[shana]

Interesting article on Phyllis Hyman, here:

Hyman's demons

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Inside Edition covering Whitney: Limo driver breaks silence, concerns about BK, etc.

www.insideedition.com

 

[21merc7]

Much, much more in the article. I don't think her future is looking so bright.

Despite Whitney Houston's godmother Darlene Love denying the late singer's daughter Bobbi Kristina went 'missing' following the funeral, an eyewitness has now claimed the 18-year old's eyes were 'glassy' and she appeared to be 'wasted' during the burial.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...appeared-wasted-burial.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

 

[daisy.faithfull]

Inside Edition covering Whitney: Limo driver breaks silence, concerns about BK, etc.

www.insideedition.com

Why'd this guy come forward with this now and why didn't he call cps when it happened?

 

[LCoastMom]

Whitney fans and supporters are keeping the sidewalk/shrine in front of the Beverly Hilton Hotel well covered.

I drove past there on Friday and again yesterday on my way to Cedars, there were a couple dozen bouquets on Friday with a few small groups of people milling around. Yesterday (Monday) the corner was completely covered by flowers again.

 

[Nova]

Buzzards circling the gut wagon.

This happens EVERY TIME a star dies. Media tries to "one up" each other. There are conflicting reports, he said she said reports, and just plain ole MADE UP reports.

It's sad and so disrespectful to the deceased.

So true. And even worse now that most media outlets don't do their own reporting, or if they do have discarded the practice of requiring confirmation from a second source.

Nowadays, a single comment from the most unreliable source may be reported by mainstream outlets around the globe under the umbrella of "It has been reported that...".

 

[Nova]

After I read that article referenced above I did a little research on Phyllis Hyman. She commited suicide at age 45. She reportedly suffered from depression & bi-polar disorder. Ironically, she overdosed on a night she was supposed to be performing at The Apollo Theatre. Sound familiar? For some reason I had never heard of her. From what I gather she was Clive Davis' money train until he "discovered" WH.

In hindsight it seems like he did to WH what he had done to Phyllis. I wonder who his next "victim" /gravy train" will be? Jennifer Hudson? Whom I've heard mention he was supposedly "replacing" WH with?

If Clive Davis approached me I'd run like hell!!! Nothing but evil emanating from that man. Sorry, if I offend some but JMO

I know Clive Davis comes across on TV like a Dickens villain, but lack of telegeneity isn't actually a crime.

Yes, Whitney Houston made him more money than most of us will ever see, but Davis has been an industry leader for decades and almost certainly would have amassed a fortune even if Houston never came along.

I think he makes an easy scapegoat in all of this but he was basically an employer to these singers, even if he also befriended them. What employer doesn't want his employees to work hard? What employer pays for the funerals of his employees?

 

[Nova]

People are going to go see "Sparkle" and buy all her records just like MJ's case. I think it's really greedy to sell the "funeral footage" I think it's in really bad taste. Plus who would buy it when everyone could have already taped it?

Lots of us tape to DVRs nowadays and don't necessarily have the capacity to transfer the recordings to permanent media. Not that I want a copy myself, but people like me would be the audience for such a DVD.

 

[Nova]

Much, much more in the article. I don't think her future is looking so bright....

So Darlene Love was Houston's "godmother" as well? Apparently, so was every black singer of the past 50 years!

That must have been one hell of a christening! Too bad they don't have a tape of it.

(Just a joke. I know the Houston family are Baptists and that denomination doesn't practice christening.)

 

[kato]

I always get PO'd at the "toxicology results will take 2 weeks" BS. I believe they already know and for some reason do not release the results until after the funeral and all the media frenzy driven sales have spiked. They surely can get a tox screen much faster than that. Why lie?

Heck yeah, they can do a tox faster. I've od'd 3 times in the last 2 yrs. (long story for people on here that do not know me) and they had what was in my system pronto!

 

[kato]

I'm dismayed to read allegations aimed at Clive Davis.

For those interested, this wikipedia article describes the man's stellar career:

Clive Davis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

~jmo~

I've made no allegations, I've just stated my personal opinion of the guy. Yes, he is a great business but even though I don't know him I don't like him as a person.

 

[kato]

So Darlene Love was Houston's "godmother" as well? Apparently, so was every black singer of the past 50 years!

That must have been one hell of a christening! Too bad they don't have a tape of it.

(Just a joke. I know the Houston family are Baptists and that denomination doesn't practice christening.)

LOL I thought the same thing. 1st time I've heard Darlene Love speak out.

I really think Cissy wants to be there for BK but I think her heart is broken beyond repair & she may soon follow WH. People don't think that happens but it does. All the years of dealing with this & now death is/was not good for her physical or mental health. Stress can literally kill because it messes with your immune system and such.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I'm sorry about your cancer and hope you are now cancer free.

Wow, your reaction to opium just shows how dangerous those drugs are. I remember having IV Demerol, and feeling so blissfully sleepy and peaceful and I actually remember thinking if I died right then that would be okay because I am just so comfortable. I wanted to go to sleep and sleep forever in that blissful state.

I had two spine surgeries when I was a child and was in the hospital for a month. For much of that time I was getting morphine. I don't remember any of it because apparently I would get morphine and go right back to sleep, but I was told that I would cry and beg for more morphine every time it was wearing off. I remember they gave me the shot in my thighs and I remember seeing them almost throw the needle into my thigh like it was a dart. I don't know if that actually happened or if in my drug haze that's what I thought. But either way, I didn't care. I don't know why they didn't give it IV, but they didn't. This was 1970, though, so maybe it was different then.

Just goes to show you how different we all are. In 2001 I had major surgery and a large portion of my gut had to be removed (sorry to the queasy ones). Well, they wanted me to get up and walk in less than 24 hours - ridiculous. Over the next couple of days, every time I tried to stand up I'd feel dizzy like I was going to fall down before I even got up. I finally figured out that it must be the morphine drip that was making me feel crappy - not good at all. I suggested this to the doctor who finally started giving me demerol (and something called tuderole (sp), given by a huge needle shot, and needs to be closely monitored but is good for pain management. I don't think it makes you high). Anyway, after that experience, I remember wondering why people like/would take morphine just for the heck of it. :waitasec: It caused me to not be able to function on top of already not being able to function! No peaceful feeling or anything.

 

[shana]

I've made no allegations, I've just stated my personal opinion of the guy. Yes, he is a great business but even though I don't know him I don't like him as a person.

Hi kato,

My post was not directed to you personally.

Peace

 

[kato]

Hi kato,

My post was not directed to you personally.

Peace

No problem. I gotcha. I don't begrudge CD his business success at all. He earned it.

 

[SwampMama]

Just goes to show you how different we all are. In 2001 I had major surgery and a large portion of my gut had to be removed (sorry to the queasy ones). Well, they wanted me to get up and walk in less than 24 hours - ridiculous. Over the next couple of days, every time I tried to stand up I'd feel dizzy like I was going to fall down before I even got up. I finally figured out that it must be the morphine drip that was making me feel crappy - not good at all. I suggested this to the doctor who finally started giving me demerol (and something called tuderole (sp), given by a huge needle shot, and needs to be closely monitored but is good for pain management. I don't think it makes you high). Anyway, after that experience, I remember wondering why people like/would take morphine just for the heck of it. :waitasec: It caused me to not be able to function on top of already not being able to function! No peaceful feeling or anything.

I had major kidney surgery and wasn;t given enough meds to keep me under so I was awake thru the surgery but paralyzed and unable to tell them. It was unbelieveable painful and traumatic and still gives me nightmares. Luckily an anesthesiologist noticed my vitals and gave me a bolus dose and I passed out thankfully. later the doctor commented he had never had to give a patient so much and I had NO history of narcotic use to have built up a tolerance.

Later that night they had me on a morphine pump and i was in severe pain and unable to sleep. i asked the nurse how could I use the morphine pump and give myself med if I was sleeping and she told me "If you are sleeping, you arent in pain". i suffered all night until an observant nurse noticed my heart rate was about 140 and ran to get me pain meds.

Anyway, as it turn out, redheads are naturally resistant to pain meds and anesthesia. It is a proven fact that knowledgeable anesthesiologist know and account for. i always wondered why Vicodin didnt give me the buzz that other people report but it turn out I need to take about 2 or 3 x the amount others take. As a result, i am often in pain with kidney stones and fibromyalgia because doctors are reluctant to prescribe even the smallest amounts of pain meds nowadays. So a drug level that might put you in a coma might be negligible to my pain.

Sorta OT here and yeah i kinda went into a rambling rant.

Unfortunately all of the drug abuse leads to genuine patients being left to suffer in pain and to be looked at suspiciously so even people who arent related to addicts suffer because of addicts.

But even a person with a great tolerance or habit may one day find that the dose that got them high one day will be enough to OD them the next day.

i really feel for Bobby Kristina because she has inherited the addiction gene from both parents along with the childhood raised by 2 addict parents and has spent her life trying to save her mom all to no avail. She will no doubt suffer survivors guilt as well. I hope that she will be able to find peace, put the drug demons to rest and maybe use her experience to help others addict or children of addicts.

I admire everyone at WS who have been honest and open with their experiences with drugs, childhood trauma and other rough experiences in life. Most websites have posters who lie about how great they are and assume false identities to make themselves look better but here at WS I see people making honest and open declarations of brutal truths and and I really admire everyone who does!!

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Why'd this guy come forward with this now and why didn't he call cps when it happened?

Chauffers, housekeepers, nannies, cooks, etc. who are employed by the "rich and famous" know that they will lose their livelihoods if they "talk" about their employees. Any complaint filed against the "employer" who is rich and famous would likely deteriorate to a "he said, she said" situation - where money, prestige, and status win. jmo

 

[kato]

I had major kidney surgery and wasn;t given enough meds to keep me under so I was awake thru the surgery but paralyzed and unable to tell them. It was unbelieveable painful and traumatic and still gives me nightmares. Luckily an anesthesiologist noticed my vitals and gave me a bolus dose and I passed out thankfully. later the doctor commented he had never had to give a patient so much and I had NO history of narcotic use to have built up a tolerance.

Later that night they had me on a morphine pump and i was in severe pain and unable to sleep. i asked the nurse how could I use the morphine pump and give myself med if I was sleeping and she told me "If you are sleeping, you arent in pain". i suffered all night until an observant nurse noticed my heart rate was about 140 and ran to get me pain meds.

Anyway, as it turn out, redheads are naturally resistant to pain meds and anesthesia. It is a proven fact that knowledgeable anesthesiologist know and account for. i always wondered why Vicodin didnt give me the buzz that other people report but it turn out I need to take about 2 or 3 x the amount others take. As a result, i am often in pain with kidney stones and fibromyalgia because doctors are reluctant to prescribe even the smallest amounts of pain meds nowadays. So a drug level that might put you in a coma might be negligible to my pain.

Sorta OT here and yeah i kinda went into a rambling rant.

Unfortunately all of the drug abuse leads to genuine patients being left to suffer in pain and to be looked at suspiciously so even people who arent related to addicts suffer because of addicts.

But even a person with a great tolerance or habit may one day find that the dose that got them high one day will be enough to OD them the next day.

i really feel for Bobby Kristina because she has inherited the addiction gene from both parents along with the childhood raised by 2 addict parents and has spent her life trying to save her mom all to no avail. She will no doubt suffer survivors guilt as well. I hope that she will be able to find peace, put the drug demons to rest and maybe use her experience to help others addict or children of addicts.

I admire everyone at WS who have been honest and open with their experiences with drugs, childhood trauma and other rough experiences in life. Most websites have posters who lie about how great they are and assume false identities to make themselves look better but here at WS I see people making honest and open declarations of brutal truths and and I really admire everyone who does!!

I agree about most people on WS being themselves. I've been a member for about 9 yrs. now and have never had trouble expressing myself.

I have a high tolerance also. To go to sleep I take 1mg. Xanax (alprazolam), 150 mg. Elavil (amitriptyline) & 60 mg. Restoril (temazepam) and it still takes about 2 hrs. to kick in. The pharmacist told me that would make him sleep for 3 days. LOL I only started taking the 2nd benzo after my sister passed almost 3 yrs. ago. It may seem like alot to some but you have to have sleep that's why alot of these "stars" take them cuz they can't sleep. I understand. Not being able to sleep, fall asleep or stay asleep SUX! Thankfully I have not built up a tolerance and have kept the same "sleep cocktail" for years in addition to my Prozac and 3 more mg. of Xanax that I take throughout the day.

I have to admit I am wreckless though and do play the "fire game" with booze & Xanax.

 

[georger]

I know, when I first wrote the post I started to write that Whitney didn't kill herself and had to go back and put suicide because if it is, as we all suspect an overdose, she technically had a hand in her own death.

.

She picked a time when many were around with little time to spare, if
it was a conscious suicide?

Beyond that there is a catagory called "fractional suicide" which consists
of engaging in dangerous behaviors the accumulation of which tempts
fate and is almost guaranteed to see you out, sooner or later. Drug
addiction is one such example. Racing cars. Engaging in certain sex
practices. Certain life styles ... which many people have no choice in.

Whitney was pushing the odds - people who knew her knew the likely
outcome.

 

[Luzianne]

LOL I thought the same thing. 1st time I've heard Darlene Love speak out.

I really think Cissy wants to be there for BK but I think her heart is broken beyond repair & she may soon follow WH. People don't think that happens but it does. All the years of dealing with this & now death is/was not good for her physical or mental health. Stress can literally kill because it messes with your immune system and such.

If you look at pictures of Cissy from just a couple of years ago, you can see she has aged so much in a short time. I'm afraid I agree with you. She is 79 and this is taking a toll on her.