Who do you think the Zodiac Killer actually is?

Just saw the Netflix series. So is Arthur Leigh Allen the individual that most people think is the Zodiac Killer or is the latest documentary trying to run with a specific narrative while ignoring things that make it look like it would have been someone else?

I'm not familiar with who all the key suspects are.
Netflix is about making money, and did not fact check what those people claimed. Art Allen was a pedophile, not a serial killer. He has been eliminated as Zodiac by DNA, fingerprints and palm prints, his writing was not a match to Zodiac! The story on Netflix was hogwash, nothing was factual. The killer of Robert Domingos and Linda Edwards at the beach in 1964, didn't take an hour to kill them and move their bodies to the shack, like they claimed. The only time we know Zodiac spent any amount of time with his victims, was Lake Berryessa. And that was far from being an hour long!
 
The DNA they have for Art Allen was not a match to the partial DNA they have for Zodiac. You cannot do familial DNA with partial, DNA. It works only to eliminate suspects.
 
The problem with the DNA is that even if DNA matches one of the suspects, that only connects them to whomever licked the stamp, not even who wrote the letters, there was no DNA from any of the crime scenes themselves, so a prosecutor then has to build a circumstantial case based on the probability the person who's DNA was on the stamp, the letter writer and the killer were the same which is a extreme long shot.

I believe only a partial DNA profile was constructed from the stamps on the envelopes, which were inconclusive.
 
I am new to this forum and interested in unsolved crimes, none more so than the Zodiac case. I am a retired LEO with quite a few years of investigative experience including having the privelege to work on several cold cases (which is one of the reasons I am still so interested in unsolved violent crimes). I hope beyond hope that someone out there can come with the clue that will make the difference, to bring justice to the innocent lives taken. I have read every police report and followup that is available on websites, the 4 incidents in the bay area. My personal opinion is that the Zodiac's name has not been discovered yet. Most times, the suspect's name is in the file somewhere as I have seen it myself in solved cold cases. My instincts tell me different on this one. From my understanding, the killer's finger and palm prints are in police evidence and so is his partial DNA from the stamps which excludes the favorite suspects. This man's fingerprint card has not been located for comparison, and one may not exist at all. Depsite what he wrote, he didn't seem to care about his prints so I doubt he was ever arrested for anything. I think he was like the BTK Dennis Rader in that he hid in plain site, living a seemingly normal life. I have my own theory, like so many others do: Years 68-70: this man was unmarried, in his late 20's or early 30's, living in either Vallejo, Benicia, or very close by. He worked a regular Monday through Friday job at an Air Force Base, potentially as a civilian employee. We already know that he mailed almost all of his letters in SF, most of which were postmarked on a Saturday, Sunday, or Monday indicating to me that he spent his weekends in SF. The interesting thing is that phone directories back then had a ton of information about the phone account holder including their occupation, employer, spouse, and any adults living in the same home. I think this guy's name is one of those directories 68-70. I further suspect that this man built a normal life after the killings stopped, sometime after 1971. That's a theory that I'd like to spend some of my time to disprove if anything. Mulitple times throughout my career, when a suspect commits two crimes very close together (Lake Herman Rd. and Blue Rock Springs), they are housed very close by, including somewhere in between. Granted, all of those were robberies and burglaries that I worked on, never a serial murder case. These are his very first confirmed ones in the area, I just don't think he would have ventured too far away for the intial one. Thirty five to forty minutes after the shooting, he went to a pay phone in the center of Vallejo. It did not take that long to get to that phone, which is an 8 minute drive. Where did he go? His home is what I think, where he changed and dropped off his weapons. I suspect he had a hotel room in SF that Saturday night he murdered Paul Stine, keeping him from having to travel too far. Car would have been staged with some clean clothes.
 
I am new to this forum and interested in unsolved crimes, none more so than the Zodiac case. I am a retired LEO with quite a few years of investigative experience including having the privelege to work on several cold cases (which is one of the reasons I am still so interested in unsolved violent crimes). I hope beyond hope that someone out there can come with the clue that will make the difference, to bring justice to the innocent lives taken. I have read every police report and followup that is available on websites, the 4 incidents in the bay area. My personal opinion is that the Zodiac's name has not been discovered yet. Most times, the suspect's name is in the file somewhere as I have seen it myself in solved cold cases. My instincts tell me different on this one. From my understanding, the killer's finger and palm prints are in police evidence and so is his partial DNA from the stamps which excludes the favorite suspects. This man's fingerprint card has not been located for comparison, and one may not exist at all. Depsite what he wrote, he didn't seem to care about his prints so I doubt he was ever arrested for anything. I think he was like the BTK Dennis Rader in that he hid in plain site, living a seemingly normal life. I have my own theory, like so many others do: Years 68-70: this man was unmarried, in his late 20's or early 30's, living in either Vallejo, Benicia, or very close by. He worked a regular Monday through Friday job at an Air Force Base, potentially as a civilian employee. We already know that he mailed almost all of his letters in SF, most of which were postmarked on a Saturday, Sunday, or Monday indicating to me that he spent his weekends in SF. The interesting thing is that phone directories back then had a ton of information about the phone account holder including their occupation, employer, spouse, and any adults living in the same home. I think this guy's name is one of those directories 68-70. I further suspect that this man built a normal life after the killings stopped, sometime after 1971. That's a theory that I'd like to spend some of my time to disprove if anything. Mulitple times throughout my career, when a suspect commits two crimes very close together (Lake Herman Rd. and Blue Rock Springs), they are housed very close by, including somewhere in between. Granted, all of those were robberies and burglaries that I worked on, never a serial murder case. These are his very first confirmed ones in the area, I just don't think he would have ventured too far away for the intial one. Thirty five to forty minutes after the shooting, he went to a pay phone in the center of Vallejo. It did not take that long to get to that phone, which is an 8 minute drive. Where did he go? His home is what I think, where he changed and dropped off his weapons. I suspect he had a hotel room in SF that Saturday night he murdered Paul Stine, keeping him from having to travel too far. Car would have been staged with some clean clothes.
FWIW I saw a geographical profiler explaining according to his calculations/info the Zodiac most likely lived in Northwest Vallejo. He also thought the Stine killing location was chosen because of an easy escape route from where he parked his car.
 
I have three opinions in this case.

1. Z is about as likely to be identified as Jack the Ripper.
2. Z may not be one person.
3. Paul Stine’s murder is very strange and could hold the key in some way.

Re 3 - it’s a bland murder, a very puzzling finale for this flamboyant murderer in love with upping the ante.

So either, that isn’t Z - or PS himself, or something about the location (by name, coordinates) holds a clue.

Or Z was somehow “unarmed” right before or after this event, meaning uhm it’s just basically part of a distraction tactic aiming to cloud Z’s last moves. But that would mean he’s like a walking, talking never ending conspiracy theory in the flesh. Kinda.
 
I have three opinions in this case.

1. Z is about as likely to be identified as Jack the Ripper.
2. Z may not be one person.
3. Paul Stine’s murder is very strange and could hold the key in some way.

Re 3 - it’s a bland murder, a very puzzling finale for this flamboyant murderer in love with upping the ante.

So either, that isn’t Z - or PS himself, or something about the location (by name, coordinates) holds a clue.

Or Z was somehow “unarmed” right before or after this event, meaning uhm it’s just basically part of a distraction tactic aiming to cloud Z’s last moves. But that would mean he’s like a walking, talking never ending conspiracy theory in the flesh. Kinda.
I don't know if you saw this, but recently, Jack the Ripper was identified, using DNA that was found on the clothing of one of his victims. It was the Polish immigrant butcher.
 
I don't know if you saw this, but recently, Jack the Ripper was identified, using DNA that was found on the clothing of one of his victims. It was the Polish immigrant butcher.
No, didn’t hear actually. I remain sceptical - since I’m a *bit* concerned about the chain of custody. Pinning it on a dead guy seems all the rage these days, that’s good to know.
 
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I don't know if you saw this, but recently, Jack the Ripper was identified, using DNA that was found on the clothing of one of his victims. It was the Polish immigrant butcher.

He hasn't legally been officially identified. It's just a specific historian claiming a DNA match. It will undoubtedly be subjected to debate.
 
It would have to be a "dead guy", wouldn't it? Jack the Ripper was active in the 1880s.....

What I heard was that it was a descendant of the older brother of one of the Jack the Ripper suspects that they got the DNA sample from and compared it to the DNA from the time period.

Infact I saw a video about it where a news station was asking a DNA expert about it and they said they were using Mitochondria DNA. Which isn't the type of DNA they usually use to solve cases and isn't nearly as reliable.

So the Jack the Ripper case is still exactly where it has been where they just have certain people they think might have been the killer. The DNA expert said using Mitochondria DNA wouldn't narrow down the list nearly enough to be able to pin it down to just one individual.
 
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It would have to be a "dead guy", wouldn't it? Jack the Ripper was active in the 1880s.....
Um yes, that seems to be the case as long as the telomeres keep behaving like they do. Anyway, hilarious.

Still, it’s almost impossible to believe anything collected from crime scenes in those olden days.

Back oT - nobody else seems to think the Stine murder is an outlier? Nothing…..kind of common about murdering a cab driver in SF?

I wouldn’t have thought Z was interested in that.
 
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What I heard was that it was a descendant of the older brother of one of the Jack the Ripper suspects that they got the DNA sample from and compared it to the DNA from the time period.

Infact I saw a video about it where a news station was asking a DNA expert about it and they said they were using Mitochondria DNA. Which isn't the type of DNA they usually use to solve cases and isn't nearly as reliable.

So the Jack the Ripper case is still exactly where it has been where they just have certain people they think might have been the killer. The DNA expert said using Mitochondria DNA wouldn't narrow down the list nearly enough to be able to pin it down to just one individual.
Semen on one garment of one victim is not conclusive. Not even if they had wgs data.

IMHOO
 
I do find the resemblance of Gary Poste and Z very interesting.
 

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I do find the resemblance of Gary Poste and Z very interesting.
It’s the chin that gets me.

Honestly, if Poste is the Zodiac, then it confirms something we’ve never even considered. What if the Zodiac Killer never wore glasses except to blend in during his murders? This whole time, we looked at guys who wore glasses.
 
Idk, at this point I think only if viable DNA from confirmed sources (i.e. the letters, or physical evidence Z was known to handle like the rope at the Lake Berryessa killing) can be found and successfully processed, will there ever be any hard clues or facts regarding Zodiac's true identity.
Poste I think makes a pretty good candidate, but like so many others before, it's little more than sheer speculation until some hard forensic evidence, or a verified confession, is had.

Who here thinks the "last" Zodiac letter sent in 1978 is a forgery? (That's the only letter apparently, to my knowledge, any intact DNA was found back when some were analyzed for it back in 2002). We'd need DNA from a confirmed letter, like the one containing part of Stine's bloody shirt.
 
It’s the chin that gets me.

Honestly, if Poste is the Zodiac, then it confirms something we’ve never even considered. What if the Zodiac Killer never wore glasses except to blend in during his murders? This whole time, we looked at guys who wore glasses.
And yes, I've long wondered about that too, if he actually wore glasses regularly. I think too much credence is put on the SF police sketch from 1969.
 

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