Who Had Motive, Method & Opportunity?!

[SophieRose]

The source is unnamed that says the siblings left before the accident. I could also pay a PR firm to get Daily Beast to state anything I wanted. Just because it is reported on MSM - actually is Daily Beast even considered MSM? - it doesn't make it true.

Posters are quoting writer Kathleen McKenna as a source of information, and she's hardly MSM.

 

[justice be served]

Posters are quoting writer Kathleen McKenna as a source of information, and she's hardly MSM.

No, I was not quoting Kathleen McKenna. It was this article written and paid for by Medicis' author that stated when the kids left on that fateful day. To me that is not verifiable fact.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2011/09/18/what-really-happened-in-the-coronado-mansion.html

 

[sdcali]

my question is:

can anyone verify that Mckenna is writeaboutit?

The times and movements of the family that day do not match Rebecca’s blackberry. Which shows Mr. Shacknai’s children leaving at noon and little Max going to his mother.

Someone stole Rebecca’s credit card, the charges are to the Apple Ipod store and a dating site called Zoomsk.

There are grammar and spelling errors in that blurb and those are two things professional writers usually do not engage in. I'm puzzled.

 

[SunnieRN]

my question is:

can anyone verify that Mckenna is writeaboutit?

The times and movements of the family that day do not match Rebecca’s blackberry. Which shows Mr. Shacknai’s children leaving at noon and little Max going to his mother.

Someone stole Rebecca’s credit card, the charges are to the Apple Ipod store and a dating site called Zoomsk.

There are grammar and spelling errors in that blurb and those are two things professional writers usually do not engage in. I'm puzzled.

I don't think she is writeaboutit, although that is entirely possible. I know she posts at Coronado Post using her real name and has said the same things there at one time or another. Or, it could have been in email transactions.:waitasec: Too much information for my pea brain. I am on overload.

 

[time]

I don't think she is writeaboutit, although that is entirely possible. I know she posts at Coronado Post using her real name and has said the same things there at one time or another. Or, it could have been in email transactions.:waitasec: Too much information for my pea brain. I am on overload.

I'll go back and try to verify, someone earlier said writeaboutit was connected to her email.

 

[jjenny]

I'll go back and try to verify, someone earlier said writeaboutit was connected to her email.

Yes, I checked that too. There was a link at the bottom of the post.

 

[time]

Yes, I checked that too. There was a link at the bottom of the post.

Thank you ... I thought someone said that but I can't recreate any way to check now.

To other posters: I'm not trying to spread rumors nor claim the information in the post on forbes.com about the kids being set to leave at noon is valid. I'm simply passing on the info again since someone brought it up. I also cannot verify that is McKenna now - I was just going on what was said earlier here (and, I can't find that) - so just erase McKenna, and my comments it was her, from that equation.

 

[jjenny]

Thank you ... I thought someone said that but I can't recreate anyway to check now.

To other posters: I'm not trying to spread rumors nor claim the information in the post on forbes.com about the kids being set to leave at noon is valid. I'm simply passing on the info again since someone brought it up.

It wasn't me who said it. Somebody else posted this poster was KM, I went out and checked the post and there was a link on the bottom of it that seemed to support that it was KM.

 

[deanna82437]

It wasn't me who said it. Somebody else posted this poster was KM, I went out and checked the post and there was a link on the bottom of it that seemed to support that it was KM.

It might have been me that said that, though can't find the post now on these numerous threads. I also was going by her email address being linked to her comment on the Forbes site. I have no proof other than that.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/shenegotiates/2011/09/25/money-mystery-murder-in-spreckels-mansion-case/

 

[katydid23]

I am trying to figure out why they would book flights for teens at 6 am, when there are plenty of later flights. Seems pretty early for a summer flight home. IMO, there would have to be some important reason like a connecting flight or a deadline for something.

Right now I do not believe the 6 am story, nor do I believe the 'noon' story set forth by the wanna-be author.

I am also skeptical of the neighbor-reading-in-the den- story. Did they call 911 that night when they first heard the screams? That should be easy to verify.

 

[time]

It might have been me that said that, though can't find the post now on these numerous threads. I also was going by her email address being linked to her comment on the Forbes site. I have no proof other than that.

hehe ... I'm just happy to find I wasn't totally making something up! I wouldn't rule her out as making those posts, although it doesn't really look like her stuff on the patch.

http://coronado.patch.com/articles/today-show-features-zahau-case

I think we need to start a thread on 'rumors' as I'm a bit astounded by what she is saying on there. I didn't realize she was so sympathetic to Dina either.

 

[Zale]

Suspects with Motive: Jonah Shacknai (JS), Dina Shacknai (DS), and their siblings Adam Shacknai (AS), Nina

JS and DS have a very violent past. Both used intimidation and physical force to threaten one another for as trivial a matter as Max's bed wetting! So it would not be unusual for either one or both to use scare tactics to taunt Rebecca to take her own life or to have someone else make it look like suicide. See http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Details-Shed-on-Shacknai-Divorce.html

DS resented Rebecca Zahau (RZ) for taking over her role as mother for Max, and for being a much younger, more stunningly beautiful woman (eye candy) on JS' arms.

Everyone in JS' and DS' family blamed RZ for Max's critical accident.

I could completely see how the 4 suspects in the Shacknai family colluded to have Rebecca killed. It might have originate with one member demanding answers from Rebecca and ultimately taunting and killing her. Subsequently they all conspired to cover up the murder which they believed was justifiable, in light of Max's impending death.

Method: Hanging either done by AS (tugboat crewman with nautical knot expertise) or a mercenary. JS, DS, Nina and AS help with murder cover-up.

Opportunity: AS, Dina, and proxies for JS and DS (hired mercenary).

:maddening:

 

[time]

Bumping this thread as I think the theme is very good and important! Also, I know Lash will be posting an extensive timeline soon and some of our earlier ideas can be refined.

 

[Carioca]

As there is still no proof of JS' nor the teens' whereabouts at the time of the events that led to MS' fatal accident, the new timeline should reflect as such.

Just because Jonah said he was at the gym and the teens flew out early does NOT make it so. Considering the blatant campaign from day one to blame the "babysitter" and her little sister by stating they were the only ones present at the time, IMO is indicative it is anything BUT the truth. And as the vast majority who follow this case, until solid evidence proves otherwise, I will continue to believe steadfast there were others present at Spreckels that morning.

 

[MyBelle]

As there is still no proof of JS' nor the teens' whereabouts at the time of the events that led to MS' fatal accident, the new timeline should reflect as such.

Just because Jonah said he was at the gym and the teens flew out early does NOT make it so. Considering the blatant campaign from day one to blame the "babysitter" and her little sister by stating they were the only ones present at the time, IMO is indicative it is anything BUT the truth. And as the vast majority who follow this case, until solid evidence proves otherwise, I will continue to believe steadfast there were others present at Spreckels that morning.

I agree and that's why I think the AG has launched an investigation and determine who was there. Max deserves that much.

JMO

 

[time]

I believe the timeline will include what is known (sourced), not anything that in unsourced and probably not was is unknown.

This thread is about who had motive, method, and opportunity to kill Rebecca. So, are the two of you saying that not knowing who was there the morning of Max's accident lent to motive?

 

[Carioca]

I believe the timeline will include what is known (sourced), not anything that in unsourced and probably not was is unknown.

This thread is about who had motive, method, and opportunity to kill Rebecca. So, are the two of you saying that not knowing who was there the morning of Max's accident lent to motive?

Hi time - Am trying to process your question: whether NOT KNOWING who was there the morning of Max's accident lent to motive.

IMO the moment little Max suffered his fall, a domino affect was set in motion. Rebecca became the patsy. She knew who was there, what had transpired, she was instructed to lie about it, and consequently she had to be hushed. So knowing who was there did lend to motive.

IMO NOT knowing who was there that morning played perfectly into the mastermind's objective. In other words, "Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war." So yes, I'd say not knowing, thus being led to believe RZ and XZ were the only ones there, definitely lent to motive.

 

[Inparadise]

Hi time - Am trying to process your question: whether NOT KNOWING who was there the morning of Max's accident lent to motive.

IMO the moment little Max suffered his fall, a domino affect was set in motion. Rebecca became the patsy. She knew who was there, what had transpired, she was instructed to lie about it, and consequently she had to be hushed. So knowing who was there did lend to motive.

IMO NOT knowing who was there that morning played perfectly into the mastermind's objective. In other words, "Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war." So yes, I'd say not knowing, thus being led to believe RZ and XZ were the only ones there, definitely lent to motive.

IMO, since no "verifiable proof" has been provided of exactly who was or was not at Spreckels that morning (in addition to RZ and her younger sister), I do not believe that Jonah says that he is where he says, nor that his older children left earlier in the morning. It is going to take more than Jonah's word for his where abouts and those of his children to get me from questioning the actual where abouts of both Jonah and his older children.

 

[time]

Hi time - Am trying to process your question: whether NOT KNOWING who was there the morning of Max's accident lent to motive.

IMO the moment little Max suffered his fall, a domino affect was set in motion. Rebecca became the patsy. She knew who was there, what had transpired, she was instructed to lie about it, and consequently she had to be hushed. So knowing who was there did lend to motive.

IMO NOT knowing who was there that morning played perfectly into the mastermind's objective. In other words, "Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war." So yes, I'd say not knowing, thus being led to believe RZ and XZ were the only ones there, definitely lent to motive.

Sorry, it was sort of a leap.

I do think it led to Dina feeling there was something being hidden perhaps and, hence fueled the fire (and possibly made Rebecca look guilty of something). I'm about 50/50 on whether that had anything to do with Max's fall. Mostly, I think not, but so many of you that I have great respect for think there were others there that it makes it more likely in my mind. I do think it's just silly that at least 3 peoples whereabouts and when/how they got back home are not really accounted for.

 

[MyBelle]

Hi time - Am trying to process your question: whether NOT KNOWING who was there the morning of Max's accident lent to motive.

IMO the moment little Max suffered his fall, a domino affect was set in motion. Rebecca became the patsy. She knew who was there, what had transpired, she was instructed to lie about it, and consequently she had to be hushed. So knowing who was there did lend to motive.

IMO NOT knowing who was there that morning played perfectly into the mastermind's objective. In other words, "Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war." So yes, I'd say not knowing, thus being led to believe RZ and XZ were the only ones there, definitely lent to motive.

I'm baffled why first responders didn't see this mysterious person who was instructing RZ and her sister to lie. The sister remained alive as are the two other children that many believe may have been there. One has to really stretch the imagination to believe RZ was murdered to ensure her silence yet the others were not. Why wouldn't the sister step forward and point this out or have their celebrity lawyer do it?

The Sheriff said a year ago that they would re-open the investigation if new evidence was received. The sister changing her story would be new evidence.

JMO