Who Had Motive, Method & Opportunity?!

[*Lash*]

I'm baffled why first responders didn't see this mysterious person who was instructing RZ and her sister to lie. The sister remained alive as are the two other children that many believe may have been there. One has to really stretch the imagination to believe RZ was murdered to ensure her silence yet the others were not. Why wouldn't the sister step forward and point this out or have their celebrity lawyer do it?

The Sheriff said a year ago that they would re-open the investigation if new evidence was received. The sister changing her story would be new evidence.

JMO

BBM - XZ was in the shower. It is possible JS was home when XZ was showering and she did not know. JS could have been home at the time of the accident and XZ did not see him. JS may have split before RZ yelled for help. I'm not saying this is what happened, just that it is possible. I am also split on this part of the morning. Until alibi's are provided for everyone that was at the mansion that morning, none of us can know for sure who was home. I believe Dina stated in a recent interview she is looking for clarity here as well.

 

[MyBelle]

BBM - XZ was in the shower. It is possible JS was home when XZ was showering and she did not know. JS could have been home at the time of the accident and XZ did not see him. JS may have split before RZ yelled for help. I'm not saying this is what happened, just that it is possible. I am also split on this part of the morning. Until alibi's are provided for everyone that was at the mansion that morning, none of us can know for sure who was home. I believe Dina stated in a recent interview she is looking for clarity here as well.

Which is why there needs to be a complete homicide investigation into Max's death.

Although I do find it quite a stretch to suggest that the child's father knew of his fall and yet he split rather than render help. Why would he split?

JMO

 

[*Lash*]

If Max was indeed assaulted, maybe it was not RZ as suggested by Dina and her experts. Dina had expressed her own fear of JS and his violent tendencies. I think it is only fair that Dina also consider JS a suspect since an assault theory has been brought forward.

 

[*Lash*]

Dina interview @ 4:15

Dina:

As far as we know there were two people the CPD say that were there, but how do we know? I mean, how do we know there's not another person? And how do we know that persons not out and about?

http://www.ecoronado.com/m/blogpost?id=2019736:BlogPost:129006

 

[MyBelle]

If Max was indeed assaulted, maybe it was not RZ as suggested by Dina and her experts. Dina had expressed her own fear of JS and his violent tendencies. I think it is only fair that Dina also consider JS a suspect since an assault theory has been brought forward.

It should be properly investigated by homicide detectives. Maybe she does suspect Jonah was there but her suspicions at this point are all she has.

JMO

 

[inthedark14]

It should be properly investigated by homicide detectives. Maybe she does suspect Jonah was there but her suspicions at this point are all she has.

JMO

Hi MyBelle. If that is the case why hasn't she said so....I think that she would have no problem stating who she suspected. We all know what she has said about RZ and her sister.

 

[MyBelle]

Hi MyBelle. If that is the case why hasn't she said so....I think that she would have no problem stating who she suspected. We all know what she has said about RZ and her sister.

I don't believe she needs to make accusations specific. That's up to LE to determine who was there and has told the truth, not Dina.

JMO

 

[K_Z]

It should be properly investigated by homicide detectives. Maybe she does suspect Jonah was there but her suspicions at this point are all she has.

JMO

BBM.

I would love to see Max's case reopened and re-investigated by accident specialists looking at a number of fall scenarios that include the newel post damage and the scooter, dog, soccer ball, etc. I think that is overwhelmingly more likely to be the explanation for the fall, rather than blindly insisting over and over that "homicide detectives" need to do an investigation. There is no evidence at all of homicide, but there is evidence of a fall that may not fit the Gomez diagram. So let's investigate what there is evidence of, before going into highly speculative scenarios that have no basis or evidence other than rumor and vindictive emotions.

The accident reconstructionists probably did conduct a faulty investigation in developing the Gomez diagram; that does not automatically mean that an accidental fall didn't happen, or that "homicide" or "assault" explains the fall. Going from a faulty fall diagram to "assault and homicide" (with no evidence of homicide or assault) is simply a GINORMOUS and stunning leap of logic.

I think it would be great to have Dr. Bove and his associates, or other accident reconstructionists, come back in to the case and thoroughly evaluate at least 4 or 5 different fall scenarios, with advanced computer graphics from the mansion pics. That would be a more productive use of time, money, and assets, imo.

But the bigger issue is that even if the "perfect" accident scenario were developed that explains all of the injuries, etc., I don't believe at this point that Dina would ever accept it. She is firmly entrenched in her (IMO, delusional) ideas that Rebecca or her sister killed Max. Even if she had a videotape to the contrary, I still think she would never accept it. She is persisting in creating a lot of her own mental torment, imo. And even winning a civil suit will not assuage that for her. I strongly believe she has a lot of knowledge of Rebecca's death she should be held accountable for, but even so, I wish she would pursue some intensive therapy and counseling to get her thoughts and emotions to a better place. I worry about what she might do. jmo.

 

[MyBelle]

BBM.

I would love to see Max's case reopened and re-investigated by accident specialists looking at a number of fall scenarios that include the newel post damage and the scooter, dog, soccer ball, etc. I think that is overwhelmingly more likely to be the explanation for the fall, rather than blindly insisting over and over that "homicide detectives" need to do an investigation. There is no evidence at all of homicide, but there is evidence of a fall that may not fit the Gomez diagram. So let's investigate what there is evidence of, before going into highly speculative scenarios that have no basis or evidence other than rumor and vindictive emotions.

The accident reconstructionists probably did conduct a faulty investigation in developing the Gomez diagram; that does not automatically mean that an accidental fall didn't happen, or that "homicide" or "assault" explains the fall. Going from a faulty fall diagram to "assault and homicide" (with no evidence of homicide or assault) is simply a GINORMOUS and stunning leap of logic.

I think it would be great to have Dr. Bove and his associates, or other accident reconstructionists, come back in to the case and thoroughly evaluate at least 4 or 5 different fall scenarios, with advanced computer graphics from the mansion pics. That would be a more productive use of time, money, and assets, imo.

But the bigger issue is that even if the "perfect" accident scenario were developed that explains all of the injuries, etc., I don't believe at this point that Dina would ever accept it. She is firmly entrenched in her (IMO, delusional) ideas that Rebecca or her sister killed Max. Even if she had a videotape to the contrary, I still think she would never accept it. She is persisting in creating a lot of her own mental torment, imo. And even winning a civil suit will not assuage that for her. I strongly believe she has a lot of knowledge of Rebecca's death she should be held accountable for, but even so, I wish she would pursue some intensive therapy and counseling to get her thoughts and emotions to a better place. I worry about what she might do. jmo.

I think simple logic shows that it was physically impossible for Max and his scooter to go over the railing without human assistance.

An expert's opinion is that Max's death was a homicide. Suggesting her opinion has no merit and is delusional really has no basis in fact.

JMO

 

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I think simple logic shows that it was physically impossible for Max and his scooter to go over the railing without human assistance.

An expert's opinion is that Max's death was a homicide. Suggesting her opinion has no merit and is delusional really has no basis in fact.

JMO

Once again, Melinek's report is so flawed it does not even show an assault scenario is likely. Bove would not validate that opinion IIRC. Melinek in now way proved or even provided any substantive evidence it was a homicide.

I agree with K_Z, that there are many possible accident scenarios. Too bad Dina spent zero time trying to investigate if it could have been an accident, just not as Gomez said. Too bad she was not looking for the truth for her son but was looking for any evidence to prove Rebecca did something. She wants it to be an assault and homicide, but there is NO evidence of that. You cannot start out with a theory you want to prove and them torturously fit the evidence to prove it or make up some claim like MElinek did that sounds scientific (Melinek did not provide any literature to support that claim either about the planes of injury).

 

[MyBelle]

Once again, Melinek's report is so flawed it does not even show an assault scenario is likely. Bove would not validate that opinion IIRC. Melinek in now way proved or even provided any substantive evidence it was a homicide.

I agree with K_Z, that there are many possible accident scenarios. Too bad Dina spent zero time trying to investigate if it could have been an accident, just not as Gomez said. Too bad she was not looking for the truth for her son but was looking for any evidence to prove Rebecca did something. She wants it to be an assault and homicide, but there is NO evidence of that. You cannot start out with a theory you want to prove and them torturously fit the evidence to prove it or make up some claim like MElinek did that sounds scientific (Melinek did not provide any literature to support that claim either about the planes of injury).

Your opinion is that Dr. Melinek's report is flawed. You are not a forensic pathologist are you? Her expert opinion is that Max was a homicide victim. The expert at Rady Hospital requested a CPS investigation. According to them, there is evidence that merits further criminal investigation.

That's more than enough for me to form an opinion that a homicide investigation is needed.

JMO

 

[*Lash*]

Your opinion is that Dr. Melinek's report is flawed. You are not a forensic pathologist are you? Her expert opinion is that Max was a homicide victim. The expert at Rady Hospital requested a CPS investigation. According to them, there is evidence that merits further criminal investigation.

That's more than enough for me to form an opinion that a homicide investigation is needed.

JMO

BBM - We don't know if the pending CPS report was 'requested' or 'procedural'. Det. Adkins was requested to respond to a pending protective services report. I don't believe we know if this was a protective services report mandated by law to report because a child was involved in a terrible accident.

 

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Your opinion is that Dr. Melinek's report is flawed. You are not a forensic pathologist are you? Her expert opinion is that Max was a homicide victim. The expert at Rady Hospital requested a CPS investigation. According to them, there is evidence that merits further criminal investigation.

That's more than enough for me to form an opinion that a homicide investigation is needed.

JMO

Don't try to use some strange logic on me (nor attack me by saying I am heartless, cruel or whatever). You are not a pathologist either are you? So what basis do you have to claim Melinek's report is so outstanding. I do have a BS in Science, not that I think the ordinary person needs that to evaluate Melinek's report. Many of us spent a lot of time already going over and over her claims - there isn't much there and if you believe her so much then why don't you tell us where she came up with her claims of planes of injury.

I don't care what opinion you have, so have it. I haven't seen many others here claim Melinek's report is so great.

 

[Gilgamesh]

Once again, Melinek's report is so flawed it does not even show an assault scenario is likely. Bove would not validate that opinion IIRC. Melinek in now way proved or even provided any substantive evidence it was a homicide.

I agree with K_Z, that there are many possible accident scenarios. Too bad Dina spent zero time trying to investigate if it could have been an accident, just not as Gomez said. Too bad she was not looking for the truth for her son but was looking for any evidence to prove Rebecca did something. She wants it to be an assault and homicide, but there is NO evidence of that. You cannot start out with a theory you want to prove and them torturously fit the evidence to prove it or make up some claim like MElinek did that sounds scientific (Melinek did not provide any literature to support that claim either about the planes of injury).

Actually you CAN start out with a theory and torturously fit the evidence......Gore has done exactly that.

 

[MyBelle]

BBM - We don't know if the pending CPS report was 'requested' or 'procedural'. Det. Adkins was requested to respond to a pending protective services report. I don't believe we know if this was a protective services report mandated by law to report because a child was involved in a terrible accident.

I think we do know. In some of the multitudes of reports that have been released, it is noted that Dr. Peterson requested CPS become involved because he was concerned that the child's visible injuries didn't fit with the description of the incident that he received.

IMO

 

[MyBelle]

Don't try to use some strange logic on me (nor attack me by saying I am heartless, cruel or whatever). You are not a pathologist either are you? So what basis do you have to claim Melinek's report is so outstanding. I do have a BS in Science, not that I think the ordinary person needs that to evaluate Melinek's report. Many of us spent a lot of time already going over and over her claims - there isn't much there and if you believe her so much then why don't you tell us where she came up with her claims of planes of injury.

I don't care what opinion you have, so have it. I haven't seen many others here claim Melinek's report is so great.

Dr. Melinek has served as an forensic pathologist and an expert witness for the prosecution. I find her credible. I don't find credible the opinions of those who don't hold her credentials. I'm not a forensic pathologist nor do I pretend to know as much as she does.

I think those who are trying to discredit her are pretty heartless because the victim she is supporting is a defenseless child who is entitled to justice whether you believe her opinion or not. I think a jury will find her very credible.

JMO

 

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Actually you CAN start out with a theory and torturously fit the evidence......Gore has done exactly that.

Ha! You're right, one CAN do that and Gore is a good example. What is it it with people who do this and then claim 'It's science and science doesn't lie!' .... it's ridiculous :floorlaugh: Soemtimes, I think that goes right along with assuming the public just can't understand, but are expected to bow to authority and accept whatever hogwash they want to feed us.

 

[Zinn]

I've followed this case pretty closely, and I don't recall seeing very much about AS's background, nor do I recall seeing when exactly others learned of XZ's leg injury. More specifically, I welcome answers to the following questions:

- Do we know if AS may have some type of developmental disability that might make him vulnerable to manipulation by others? I have seen discussions of money as a motive and I'm not asking about that. I'm specifically asking if he may be more vulnerable to manipulation due to a developmental disability.

- Do we know when JS, AS, DS and/or NR became aware of XZ's leg injury? I recall noting Rebecca's phone records showed she received voice mail from an urgent care facility (reportedly to confirm a follow-up appointment for XZ) around the time she was reportedly having dinner with JS, AS and HL. Additionally, I'm unfamiliar with Rebecca's brand of mobile phone and I'm wondering if the caller ID would have flashed on the cover of the phone at that time.

If anyone has answers to these questions, thank you in advance for responding.

Please note, I'm not attempting to put forth a scenario with these questions. These are just a few of many questions I've had since the deaths occurred, but I've never seen these particular questions addressed. Forgive me if I missed something on earlier threads.

All of the above is just my opinion.

 

[Inparadise]

I've followed this case pretty closely, and I don't recall seeing very much about AS's background, nor do I recall seeing when exactly others learned of XZ's leg injury. More specifically, I welcome answers to the following questions:

- Do we know if AS may have some type of developmental disability that might make him vulnerable to manipulation by others? I have seen discussions of money as a motive and I'm not asking about that. I'm specifically asking if he may be more vulnerable to manipulation due to a developmental disability.

- Do we know when JS, AS, DS and/or NR became aware of XZ's leg injury? I recall noting Rebecca's phone records showed she received voice mail from an urgent care facility (reportedly to confirm a follow-up appointment for XZ) around the time she was reportedly having dinner with JS, AS and HL. Additionally, I'm unfamiliar with Rebecca's brand of mobile phone and I'm wondering if the caller ID would have flashed on the cover of the phone at that time.

If anyone has answers to these questions, thank you in advance for responding.

Please note, I'm not attempting to put forth a scenario with these questions. These are just a few of many questions I've had since the deaths occurred, but I've never seen these particular questions addressed. Forgive me if I missed something on earlier threads.

All of the above is just my opinion.

Adam graduated from George Washington University in 1985......no other known facts other than he moved to Memphis shortly after.........And about the caller ID being displayed: it would depend upon if the caller was "sending" or "blocking" their number.

 

[Carioca]

Respectfully clipped for brevity

- Do we know when JS, AS, DS and/or NR became aware of XZ's leg injury? I recall noting Rebecca's phone records showed she received voice mail from an urgent care facility (reportedly to confirm a follow-up appointment for XZ) around the time she was reportedly having dinner with JS, AS and HL. Additionally, I'm unfamiliar with Rebecca's brand of mobile phone and I'm wondering if the caller ID would have flashed on the cover of the phone at that time.

Hi Zinn ~ According to my records, RZ received a phone call, not a voice mail, from Coronado Urgent Care at 7:09 p.m. on 7/12. She called them the previous day at 12:47 p.m., approximately 2 and a half hours after the 911 call regarding Max. Considering the numerous text messages back and forth between RZ and JS that afternoon, IMO she "most likely" would have mentioned XZ's wound that same afternoon. But that is total supposition on my part... I don't recall it ever mentioned in the media.