Who Had Motive, Method & Opportunity?!

[*Lash*]

Taking it one step further, since Nina admitted to texting Rebecca and being on the property that Tuesday evening, why did the lead investigator not request Nina's cellphone records? Why did the lead investigator not need to establish Nina's location or whether Nina was telling the truth? It wasn't by polygraph since Nina cancelled her scheduled polygraph. 2 witnesses claim to have seen Dina at the mansion. LE ruled this out as being Nina. Just how did LE establish Nina was being truthful and the 2 witnesses were not credible?

 

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Taking it one step further, since Nina admitted to texting Rebecca and being on the property that Tuesday evening, why did the lead investigator not request Nina's cellphone records? Why did the lead investigator not need to establish Nina's location or whether Nina was telling the truth? It wasn't by polygraph since Nina cancelled her scheduled polygraph. 2 witnesses claim to have seen Dina at the mansion. LE ruled this out as being Nina. Just how did LE establish Nina was being truthful and the 2 witnesses were not credible?

Inconvenient truths.... I don't think they established Nina's accounting as true at all nor viably ruled out Dina being there. If Ann Bremner hadn't taken up the case, we never would have known Nina was even there, would we? Nina outed herself because she knew what was coming or Dina put her up to it or both (my opinion).

 

[MyBelle]

If true, why did she later say she was on the property?

Because it was the truth she was on the property and there was no reason to lie about it. Still is no reason to lie about it.

JMO

 

[*Lash*]

Because it was the truth she was on the property and there was no reason to lie about it. Still is no reason to lie about it.

JMO

Respectfully, is it the truth? How do we really know if what Nina has said is the truth? No polygraph or cellphone records. How did LE establish Nina's credibility and whether she was telling the truth.

 

[MyBelle]

Taking it one step further, since Nina admitted to texting Rebecca and being on the property that Tuesday evening, why did the lead investigator not request Nina's cellphone records? Why did the lead investigator not need to establish Nina's location or whether Nina was telling the truth? It wasn't by polygraph since Nina cancelled her scheduled polygraph. 2 witnesses claim to have seen Dina at the mansion. LE ruled this out as being Nina. Just how did LE establish Nina was being truthful and the 2 witnesses were not credible?

BBM. Is there a link to cops acknowledging two witnesses saw Dina at the mansion? I'm curious as to how cops addressed those witnesses. They did address some witnesses.

I don't believe anyone here knows the complete details of their investigative procedures or all the reasons they decide a witness is not credible or why they chose to believe some but not others.

I believe there was no probable cause to obtain Nina's cell phone records. Polygraphs are always voluntary and passing one doesn't exclude a suspect if the investigators feel the person is lying. Evidently the cops felt Nina was truthful and concluded the death was a suicide.

JMO

http://www.760kfmb.com/story/156288...es-to-zahau-family-attorney?clienttype=mobile

Sheriff's Lt. Nesbit said the witness's statement has now been obtained.

Nesbit said the scream may have come from a group of teenagers at the beach near the mansion. The witness could not be sure whether the scream came from the mansion or the beach, according to Lt. Nesbit.

 

[MyBelle]

Respectfully, is it the truth? How do we really know if what Nina has said is the truth? No polygraph or cellphone records. How did LE establish Nina's credibility and whether she was telling the truth.

Respectfully, I believe innocent people do tell the truth. You will have to ask the investigators how they established credibility for witnesses. I've seen no link that shows Nina was ever considered a suspect by LE.

JMO

 

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Respectfully, I believe innocent people do tell the truth. You will have to ask the investigators how they established credibility for witnesses. I've seen no link that shows Nina was ever considered a suspect by LE.

JMO

'Suspect' is a precarious term... if you prefer, call her a serious POI. She was definitely top of the list.

 

[MyBelle]

'Suspect' is a precarious term... if you prefer, call her a serious POI. She was definitely top of the list.

BBM. Please provide a link to where LE named Nina a suspect or a person of interest. Thanks.

JMO

 

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BBM. Please provide a link to where LE named Nina a suspect or a person of interest. Thanks.

JMO

<modsnip> Nina own interview provides a lot of clues that she was a POI. She was on the property shortly before Rebecca was murdered. She was asked to take a polygraph test. Ann Rule says there were six suspects - I don't see how anyone could think Nina was not on that list. <modsnip>.

 

[inthedark14]

BBM. Please provide a link to where LE named Nina a suspect or a person of interest. Thanks.

JMO

So the finger prints and hair samples don't point to a person of interest, at the very least? I think we can call a spade and spade here. LE would not have requested those samples, or the poly had she not been a person of interest.

 

[Zinn]

So the finger prints and hair samples don't point to a person of interest, at the very least? I think we can call a spade and spade here. LE would not have requested those samples, or the poly had she not been a person of interest.

IIRC, Nina made it painfully clear that she had to surrender her brand new yoga pants to "help" with the investigation into Rebecca's death. These were pants she claimed to have worn as she was not touching the gate and only looking through it at Spreckels that evening.

 

[MyBelle]

So the finger prints and hair samples don't point to a person of interest, at the very least? I think we can call a spade and spade here. LE would not have requested those samples, or the poly had she not been a person of interest.

BBM. No, not at all. I believe LE usually do ask friends and family for samples of fingerprints and hair so that they can identify and analyze evidence.

JMO

 

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BBM. No, not at all. I believe LE usually do ask friends and family for samples of fingerprints and hair so that they can identify and analyze evidence.

JMO

In the cases I've seen they do not ask all the family and friends for fingerprint and hair samples. They may ask for any who would normally be in the house for them to eliminate them, more sprcifically to check and see if their DNA or fingerprints are found in a place they shouldn't be or near the actual crimescene.

I don't think they even got a DNA sample from Jonah, did they? Yet they asked for hair samples from Nina. Nina was not family nor a friend either.

It seems extremely doubtful to me they asked her for a lie detector test, fingerprints, and a hair sample just to evaluate evidence in the places around the outside of the mansion that Nina claimed she was. That does not make any sense. And, of course, Nina gave a reason her fingerprints would be on Rebecca's phone - we appear to have no evidence that Rebecca did give her her phone (in the car as I remember). If they did find Nina's fingerprints on Rebecca's phone then I'd have to wonder about message/VM erasing.

 

[MyBelle]

In the cases I've seen they do not ask all the family and friends for fingerprint and hair samples. They may ask for any who would normally be in the house for them to eliminate them, more sprcifically to check and see if their DNA or fingerprints are found in a place they shouldn't be or near the actual crimescene.

I don't think they even got a DNA sample from Jonah, did they? Yet they asked for hair samples from Nina. Nina was not family nor a friend either.

It seems extremely doubtful to me they asked her for a lie detector test, fingerprints, and a hair sample just to evaluate evidence in the places around the outside of the mansion that Nina claimed she was. That does not make any sense. And, of course, Nina gave a reason her fingerprints would be on Rebecca's phone - we appear to have no evidence that Rebecca did give her her phone (in the car as I remember). If they did find Nina's fingerprints on Rebecca's phone then I'd have to wonder about message/VM erasing.

I've followed quite a few cases where friends and family were asked to provide prints and DNA samples. The Jason Young case was a recent one. Nina was a family member to Dina and Max who had lived in the house.

The media can't call someone a suspect or person of interest just because the investigation doesn't "make sense" to them or they just don't like someone. Nina has her rights just as every other American has rights.

Aspects of the homicide investigation still may not make sense to you but it was nonetheless done by skilled, professional investigators from several agencies who concluded only RZ had motive, method and opportunity.

JMO

 

[Zinn]

I've followed quite a few cases where friends and family were asked to provide prints and DNA samples. The Jason Young case was a recent one. Nina was a family member to Dina and Max who had lived in the house.

The media can't call someone a suspect or person of interest just because the investigation doesn't "make sense" to them or they just don't like someone. Nina has her rights just as every other American has rights.

Aspects of the homicide investigation still may not make sense to you but it was nonetheless done by skilled, professional investigators from several agencies who concluded only RZ had motive, method and opportunity.

JMO

IIRC, Nina is the person who chose to make this information public. Upon the release of Rebecca's cell phone records, a reporter called Nina to ask about the final text received by Rebecca while she was still alive. The text was sent from Nina's phone. The reporter said Nina answered the phone when he called, acknowledged she texted Rebecca, and shared the content of her text message (that she wanted to come by Spreckels to discuss what happened to Max). The reporter reported what Nina voluntarily shared with him. Soon after, she spoke to this reporter again, on the record, detailing her dealings with law enforcement in relation to Rebecca's death investigation. Nina chose to make this information public.

 

[MyBelle]

IIRC, Nina is the person who chose to make this information public. Upon the release of Rebecca's cell phone records, a reporter called Nina to ask about the final text received by Rebecca while she was still alive. The text was sent from Nina's phone. The reporter said Nina answered the phone when he called, acknowledged she texted Rebecca, and shared the content of her text message (that she wanted to come by Spreckels to discuss what happened to Max). The reporter reported what Nina voluntarily shared with him. Soon after, she spoke to this reporter again, on the record, detailing her dealings with law enforcement in relation to Rebecca's death investigation. Nina chose to make this information public.

Isn't Nina allowed to make something public? Didn't the dog kennel owner also speak to the press? A person who worked out with her? Are these people considered murder suspects just because they chose to speak to the press? I don't for a moment believe the press ever suggested anyone was considered by police to be a suspect.

JMO

 

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I've followed quite a few cases where friends and family were asked to provide prints and DNA samples. The Jason Young case was a recent one. Nina was a family member to Dina and Max who had lived in the house.

The media can't call someone a suspect or person of interest just because the investigation doesn't "make sense" to them or they just don't like someone. Nina has her rights just as every other American has rights.

Aspects of the homicide investigation still may not make sense to you but it was nonetheless done by skilled, professional investigators from several agencies who concluded only RZ had motive, method and opportunity.

JMO

With all due respect, I do not think Nina would have been asked for fingerprints and hair samples and a lie detector test just because she was related to someone who had lived in the house 2-3 years earlier. That defies logic.

I have no idea what this has to do with Nina's rights. And, I really don't remember anyone saying that only Rebecca had motive, method, and opportunity in claiming this was a suicide. In fact, even Jonah said she didn't have motive. Dina had the most motive and, by association, Nina could have had motive. And, I don't know how you could claim Rebecca had the 'method' and no one else did??? :waitasec: Opportunity? Obviously Nina, Adam, and Dina had opportunity.

 

[Zinn]

Isn't Nina allowed to make something public? Didn't the dog kennel owner also speak to the press? A person who worked out with her? Are these people considered murder suspects just because they chose to speak to the press? I don't for a moment believe the press ever suggested anyone was considered by police to be a suspect.

JMO

I did not say Nina was not allowed to speak publicly. I was very appreciative of her willingness to speak at length, publicly, in such great detail. I found her interview very illuminating, particulary in relation to potential motive, means and opportunity in Rebecca Zahau's suspicious death case.

All of the above is just my opinion.

 

[inthedark14]

Isn't Nina allowed to make something public? Didn't the dog kennel owner also speak to the press? A person who worked out with her? Are these people considered murder suspects just because they chose to speak to the press? I don't for a moment believe the press ever suggested anyone was considered by police to be a suspect.

JMO

Of course they are all allowed to speak with the press. The dog kennel owner was at the home too, just before RZ died. In fact he was IN the home by his own admission. I wonder if they asked him for his fingerprints, DNA or to take a polygraph test.

 

[bourne]

Of course they are all allowed to speak with the press. The dog kennel owner was at the home too, just before RZ died. In fact he was IN the home by his own admission. I wonder if they asked him for his fingerprints, DNA or to take a polygraph test.

Anne Bremner had said the only persons-of-interest the police took prints from were Rebecca's younger sis XZ, Adam and Nina. Clearly the dog kennel owner was not printed because the police did not believe him to be a POI.

It is most strange that a poster claimed that any family or friends connected to a victim who have been on the property where a crime took place would automatically be printed. So why were Dina, Jonah, his teen children, the chef & his wife, the dog kennel owner, and everyone who ever visited the Spreckels mansion not printed?

Evidently Nina, Adam and even XZ were considered POIs early in the investigation by LE.

As to the other 3 POIs Ann alluded to in her book, one is Becky's ex NN. The other two people I have no idea because they were not processed for prints or DNA, not polygraphed, etc. But I would think it should have been Dina and Jonah. I have to wonder whether Dina or Jonah were ever fully investigated, and if not, why not. Another appearance of impropriety if they were not.