Who Has Heard Burke's Voice on The 911 Tape?

Have You Heard Burke's Voice on 911 Tape??

  • YES

    Votes: 115 44.7%
  • NO

    Votes: 82 31.9%
  • NOT SURE

    Votes: 60 23.3%

  • Total voters
    257
  • #441
I don't think they even considered him being questioned. I think they made a lot of mistakes that morning during the coverup and after the 911 call. I wonder if BR said some things at the Fleet's that made them even more wary. Didn't he say somewhere that he discussed her being strangled to another kid and when asked by an adult to repeat it he refused to repeat it again? Not sure when this occurred or if it occurred. I just remember reading somewhere this being referenced in one of the threads. Any one else remember when and if this occurred?

Burke discussed with Doug whether the strangulation was manual or not. This bothered Susan who told a friend. It was in Kolar's book :D

As for school, Stine (the pitbull, woof woof) drove Burke to school. Security for him was kinda lax I think. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think they installed a security system in Burke's school.

Agreed 110% on experts needing to start standing up and standing their ground if they believe the Ramsey's are guilty.
 
  • #442
Burke discussed with Doug whether the strangulation was manual or not. This bothered Susan who told a friend. It was in Kolar's book :D

As for school, Stine (the pitbull, woof woof) drove Burke to school. Security for him was kinda lax I think. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think they installed a security system in Burke's school.

Agreed 110% on experts needing to start standing up and standing their ground if they believe the Ramsey's are guilty.
Thank you! That's what I was very unsure of. Still researching more every day. It's seems the more I learn the less I really know! :gaah: This case has so much evidence that we are aware of.... can you imagine how much we have no clue about?! Holy Moly!!!! :eek: They need a whole homicide division directly looking over just this case checking for inconsistencies an going over all of their tv interviews to line up their changing stories. That alone would open up the can of worms that needs to be opened up. For example... "Burke you told us you were in bed all night. But now you say you went downstairs after everyone went to sleep. Which is true? Were you using a flashlight? Were you alone? What toy were you playing with? Point to the item in the crime scene pictures for us. Did you eat the pineapple with your sister? etc etc. This case makes me want to cry and pull my hair out. Poor little JonBenet :(

Forgive me for saying this but... sometimes I imagine JonBenet buried above her mama and kicking at her mama for not telling the truth and protecting her. I know it's a cruel thought but dang it I just feel better when I think it. I feel happy though knowing Beth is beside JonBenet and maybe protecting her now.
 
  • #443
I don't think they even considered him being questioned.
Its possible of course but IMO it would have had to cross their mind. Their house is chaos at that point. BPD up the wazoo and FBI involvement due to the "kidnapping". Remember PL, we have hindsight to guide us through this. They did not. John and Patsy cannot even begin to fathom that the case is going to be botched to this extent. They would have to assume that her body is going to be found very quickly. They would then be immediately questioned and this includes Burke. By placing Burke at the Whites, he cannot be monitored by his parents and could have easily been interviewed by FBI. He also could have slipped up. If he knows anything about anything, sending him there is an unnecessary risk and would have made them as nervous as a long tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs.

I have many issues with the BDI scenario on front street and this is one of them. IF its Burke, they were placing their entire family at risk and leaving their fate completely up to Burke.

I think they made a lot of mistakes that morning during the coverup and after the 911 call.
Now that's an understatement.

I wonder if BR said some things at the Fleet's that made them even more wary. Didn't he say somewhere that he discussed her being strangled to another kid and when asked by an adult to repeat it he refused to repeat it again? Not sure when this occurred or if it occurred. I just remember reading somewhere this being referenced in one of the threads. Any one else remember when and if this occurred?
I cant remember off the top of my head when/where he talked about her murder but I'm pretty sure it wasn't at the Whites at that time.


There's so much to go through in this case! :scared: About the time I think I have researched a part well, I learn more about it that I had no clue about. No wonder so many people get confused about this case. There is just so much to it
It's a very complex case. Its what makes it so fascinating. It basically requires years of research....thorough research. The average person who has only watched a documentary on the case has only learned a very small percentage about the case. Its been 20 years and there still hasn't been one single documentary to thoroughly examine the case. They each leave out tons of info and usually because it goes against the grain of what they are pushing. IDI docs did this for eons, now CBS has picked up the baton. In fairness to all of them, it would be almost impossible to include everything. However, I'd prefer that agendas be dropped and approach it as a neutral observer.


It's the Ramsey's way of shutting down and controlling what is and what is not viewed or heard. They hedge their bets I believe, in the fact that people will assume that the person being sued is automatically in the wrong and never follow up. This is why I hope and pray Spitz does not back down or settle. Experts need to start standing up and standing their ground if they believe the Ramsey's are guilty. They do victims a disservice by not standing their ground
Before most of the people involved in this murder die, it needs to hit the reset button with a new group of investigators and they wipe the slate clean. I'd prefer it be the FBI but that is highly unlikely.


Even if we don't agree fully in what these experts say, the fact that they are trying their hardest to get this case heard and investigated properly should mean something. It's important. I think the only expert who felt an intruder did it was Smit right? Not sure about this but he is the one who at least stands out to me.
Technically Douglas believed IDI although he wasn't personally involved and of course did not have access to the evidence.

How can anyone agree fully with what the investigators say? They all believe differently. People are now saying "Kolar saw all the evidence and he says Burke so that's who it is. It adds up". You know who else saw all the evidence? Thomas. He's PDI. Someone else who saw the evidence is Smit. He's IDI. Then there's the others who fall into one of those categories. They're no different than sleuths.....you can place them all into separate factions. None of them seem willing to budge either. Each side cherry picks evidence to fit their theory and ignore the rest. The case has less than zero chance of ever being solved or bringing some sort of closure until a neutral observer is handed the case files. I'm not even sure that's possible at this juncture. The case is so famous that anyone in such a position would already have an opinion on what happened and that would have an impact on their approach.
 
  • #444
Its possible of course but IMO it would have had to cross their mind. Their house is chaos at that point. BPD up the wazoo and FBI involvement due to the "kidnapping". Remember PL, we have hindsight to guide us through this. They did not. John and Patsy cannot even begin to fathom that the case is going to be botched to this extent. They would have to assume that her body is going to be found very quickly. They would then be immediately questioned and this includes Burke. By placing Burke at the Whites, he cannot be monitored by his parents and could have easily been interviewed by FBI. He also could have slipped up. If he knows anything about anything, sending him there is an unnecessary risk and would have made them as nervous as a long tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs.

I have many issues with the BDI scenario on front street and this is one of them. IF its Burke, they were placing their entire family at risk and leaving their fate completely up to Burke.

Now that's an understatement.

I cant remember off the top of my head when/where he talked about her murder but I'm pretty sure it wasn't at the Whites at that time.


It's a very complex case. Its what makes it so fascinating. It basically requires years of research....thorough research. The average person who has only watched a documentary on the case has only learned a very small percentage about the case. Its been 20 years and there still hasn't been one single documentary to thoroughly examine the case. They each leave out tons of info and usually because it goes against the grain of what they are pushing. IDI docs did this for eons, now CBS has picked up the baton. In fairness to all of them, it would be almost impossible to include everything. However, I'd prefer that agendas be dropped and approach it as a neutral observer.


Before most of the people involved in this murder die, it needs to hit the reset button with a new group of investigators and they wipe the slate clean. I'd prefer it be the FBI but that is highly unlikely.


Technically Douglas believed IDI although he wasn't personally involved and of course did not have access to the evidence.

How can anyone agree fully with what the investigators say? They all believe differently. People are now saying "Kolar saw all the evidence and he says Burke so that's who it is. It adds up". You know who else saw all the evidence? Thomas. He's PDI. Someone else who saw the evidence is Smit. He's IDI. Then there's the others who fall into one of those categories. They're no different than sleuths.....you can place them all into separate factions. None of them seem willing to budge either. Each side cherry picks evidence to fit their theory and ignore the rest. The case has less than zero chance of ever being solved or bringing some sort of closure until a neutral observer is handed the case files. I'm not even sure that's possible at this juncture. The case is so famous that anyone in such a position would already have an opinion on what happened and that would have an impact on their approach.
I sure do wish a young bright group of FBI investigators could be handed this case. Given all the evidence to retest and go through. Re question everyone deeply. That's the only chance this case has of being solved. Fresh new eyes without an agenda.
 
  • #445
I think Burke was told very simply, stick to the story or the police will take you away for a long time. No more friends, no more mom and dad, no more vacations, boats, no more Legos or Nintendo. You will be with hardened teens who will beat you up on the regular. So Burke...JonBenet was asleep when we got home. You both went to bed. You were asleep. You heard nothing. You saw no one. We will take care of the rest (ransom note).

Seeing how he likely struck out at JonBenet out of a hatred of her monopolizing all of the attention of his parents IMO he would willingly keep quiet. He got what he'd been wanting, they had to acknowledge him now.
 
  • #446
I think Burke was told very simply, stick to the story or the police will take you away for a long time. No more friends, no more mom and dad, no more vacations, boats, no more Legos or Nintendo. You will be with hardened teens who will beat you up on the regular. So Burke...JonBenet was asleep when we got home. You both went to bed. You were asleep. You heard nothing. You saw no one. We will take care of the rest (ransom note).

Seeing how he likely struck out at JonBenet out of a hatred of her monopolizing all of the attention of his parents IMO he would willingly keep quiet. He got what he'd been wanting, they had to acknowledge him now.
I can totally see this being the case Tex! He didn't have to know there was a law protecting him. His parents may have used this to keep him quiet. I bet it worked for the most part too! He was probably scared to death of being arrested or something. :hills:
 
  • #447
Thank you! That's what I was very unsure of. Still researching more every day. It's seems the more I learn the less I really know! :gaah:

Nah, you already know SO much. It's just hard to remember all the little details. Didn't Arndt say the public has only seen about 10% of the evidence? Or that 10% was presented accurately and that the information is out there. I can't imagine Kolar going through 60,000 pieces of evidence. I hope he bought stock in Excedrin.

Forgive me for saying this but... sometimes I imagine JonBenet buried above her mama and kicking at her mama for not telling the truth and protecting her. I know it's a cruel thought but dang it I just feel better when I think it. I feel happy though knowing Beth is beside JonBenet and maybe protecting her now.

I've read some people saying, "Aw well if its any consolation, they are both together. (sob sob)" I respectfully disagree. JB is an angel and NOWHERE near her mother.
 
  • #448
Thank you! That's what I was very unsure of. Still researching more every day. It's seems the more I learn the less I really know! :gaah:
Nah, you already know SO much. It's just hard to remember all the little details. Didn't Arndt say the public has only seen about 10% of the evidence? Or that 10% was presented accurately and that the information is out there. I can't imagine Kolar going through 60,000 pieces of evidence. I hope he bought stock in Excedrin.



I've read some people saying, "Aw well if its any consolation, they are both together. (sob sob)" I respectfully disagree. JB is an angel and NOWHERE near her mother.

BBM

60.000 pages of evidence & 1500 pieces of evidence ;--)

-Nin
 
  • #449
I think Burke was told very simply, stick to the story or the police will take you away for a long time. No more friends, no more mom and dad, no more vacations, boats, no more Legos or Nintendo. You will be with hardened teens who will beat you up on the regular. So Burke...JonBenet was asleep when we got home. You both went to bed. You were asleep. You heard nothing. You saw no one. We will take care of the rest (ransom note).

Seeing how he likely struck out at JonBenet out of a hatred of her monopolizing all of the attention of his parents IMO he would willingly keep quiet. He got what he'd been wanting, they had to acknowledge him now.

OMG! Reminds me of this scene but replace with "No Nintendo?!!!!!!!!!!!!" Just the threat of no Nintendo would have been enough

[video=youtube;VEHv3ZfbX74]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEHv3ZfbX74[/video]
 
  • #450
OMG! Reminds me of this scene but replace with "No Nintendo?!!!!!!!!!!!!" Just the threat of no Nintendo would have been enough

[video=youtube;VEHv3ZfbX74]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEHv3ZfbX74[/video]

Secondhand Lions!!!!! :loveyou: love that movie so much! Yeah that alone would keep a 9-10 year old silent!
 
  • #451
I can totally see this being the case Tex! He didn't have to know there was a law protecting him. His parents may have used this to keep him quiet. I bet it worked for the most part too! He was probably scared to death of being arrested or something. :hills:

IMO once they found out Burke would not have been criminally responsible even if he confessed, it was already too far gone. They couldn't tell LE they wrote a ransom note, shuttled the killer off to a friends house, hid a body, accepted comfort as they awaited a call from the "foreign faction". So they get arrested, not Burke? The whole plan was to keep the three of them together. If they cave in then what happens to Burke when Mom and Dad are in jail for covering up/lying? So they decide: stick to the story until LE tires of looking for the "intruder"
 
  • #452
Nah, you already know SO much. It's just hard to remember all the little details. Didn't Arndt say the public has only seen about 10% of the evidence? Or that 10% was presented accurately and that the information is out there. I can't imagine Kolar going through 60,000 pieces of evidence. I hope he bought stock in Excedrin.



I've read some people saying, "Aw well if its any consolation, they are both together. (sob sob)" I respectfully disagree. JB is an angel and NOWHERE near her mother.
RBBM Amen! I respectfully disagree with them too. But little JonBenet is definitely a beautiful Angel.
May be a little o/t but... has anyone ever noticed if the huge crosses PR always wore before JonBenet's death, were ever worn again? I do notice in some interviews she wears a tiny cross. But not those massive ones she used to wear. I wonder if it was her way of possibly acknowledging to herself that she wasn't in "God's Grace" anymore? JMOO
 
  • #453
I hadn't thought of that. That's extremely interesting!
 
  • #454
IMO once they found out Burke would not have been criminally responsible even if he confessed, it was already too far gone. They couldn't tell LE they wrote a ransom note, shuttled the killer off to a friends house, hid a body, accepted comfort as they awaited a call from the "foreign faction". So they get arrested, not Burke? The whole plan was to keep the three of them together. If they cave in then what happens to Burke when Mom and Dad are in jail for covering up/lying? So they decide: stick to the story until LE tires of looking for the "intruder"
Yup agree! It worked for 20 years now. I hope so much that Spitz forces their hand and doesn't settle and makes them go to court. I don't even care if Spitz is wanting the extra publicity. Whatever it takes to get them in court. Plus he's 90. He has nothing but time left and one case that has haunted him for 20 years. Let him lead the pack and start fighting back against the Ramsey's who try to stop the investigation at every turn. I'm working on the last episode of the DP interview transcribing and I am getting so tired of typing words to the effect of "Boulder PD was trying to pin it on the Ramsey's from the beginning." Has anyone ever actually thought about the fact that maybe the people who were IN the home during those crucial hours actually have good reason to believe that? Right now I'm on the part where Lou Smit is about to crawl through the window.. :gaah::sick: :pullhair:
 
  • #455
"We're not speaking to you" means 'do not interrupt the adults'.

Then he pretended to be asleep and they pretended he never woke up. Why?

The undigested pineapple is found and no one knows anything about pineapple, no one remembers pineapple being anywhere near the house and no one admits to preparing a bowl of pineapple and cream but rather, they don't recognize the bowl, scoff at the serving utensil and BR can not identify the obvious chunks of pineapple in that bowl on his own kitchen table as depicted in a crime scene photo. The pineapple to the Ramseys is like kryptonite so Superman. Why?

The Ramseys had a hard time recognizing their own handwriting and things in photos of their own home. Instead they responded with "that is sloppy handwriting" and "why would anyone take that photo?". Why?

It is very possible that the initial attack occurred in front of PR and JR.

The Ramsey version is that a crazed pedophile who was angry at John or jealous of Patsy, mysteriously entered their home, sexually assaulted, stun gunned and killed their prized child in their home, while they slept and left not a trace of themselves anywhere. Their very first response is to hire lawyers and not speak to investigators. Within a week they appeared on CNN and said they were not angry and forgave the killer, they just wanted to know "why?".

Then we finally get the GJ charges and whoops, they were both charged by the GJ for covering up a first degree murder by a third person. There were only 3 survivors that night. It isn't that hard to figure out.
 
  • #456
I've read some people saying, "Aw well if its any consolation, they are both together. (sob sob)" I respectfully disagree. JB is an angel and NOWHERE near her mother.

I guess that was directed at me. I'm known for being a bleeding heart.
 
  • #457
I guess that was directed at me. I'm known for being a bleeding heart.

Oh no, not at you. I didn't even know you said that before so my apologies :)
 
  • #458
I guess that was directed at me. I'm known for being a bleeding heart.
I can be pretty ruthless at times; but when it comes to the heaven and hell issue, I'm not big on condemning anyone to an eternity in a fiery pit. Call me a bleeding heart, too. I'm OK with that.
 
  • #459
No need to apologize, folks. I'm a re-awakened Catholic, so I understand forgiveness. That's all..
 
  • #460
I have such a hard time with forgiveness though when the guilty party won't accept their misdeeds. Should they finally admit what happened, then I may let it go into forgiveness. I just can't forget how many people they ruined in their campaign to shut down the truth. Not to mention JonBenet has no Justice yet. But that's just me. I'm a sweetheart but I have such strong beliefs in standing up for the voiceless. PR had a voice and could have spoken on her deathbed. I do hope she found forgiveness with God. I'm not a person to let things be. Not when justice hasn't been found. We all have our beliefs and that's what makes us human and different from each other and I love that we can all be different and still discuss this with each other with kindness. :loveyou:
 

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