Who Is Caylee's Biological Father?

[Stander Verwoerd]

I worked for the Social Security Administration for many years and I have literally established paternity on hundreds of children after the wage earner was deceased. We were supposed to approach the problem with a desire to pay the child. After all, it wasn't the child's fault that it was illegitimate. That's the government's position. We called them 216(h)(3) children because that's the section of the law that allows payment.

First, you have to find written acknowledgment and you have to stretch this definition. If the deceased wage earner ever claimed the child on his taxes - even if he never named her, just the number of dependents. If he ever sent her a birthday card and signed it Daddy. If he ever wrote his sister and told her that somebody was pregnant by him. He wouldn't have had to mention the name. You see, you can find written acknowledgment in a number of ways.

BUT, in order to even get this far you would have to have the father's social security number. To get this you would need ALL of these things:
Name at birth
Date of birth
Place of birth
Mother's maiden name

If you don't have all of those things, forget it. You will never find out the number from the Social Security Administration. All 4 things have to match, period. So, whatever, I doubt that Casey would have known anybody's mother's maiden name.

This is interesting information, thanks. Personally and I'm not a mind reader or know it all but I think the Father has to be someone the family doesn't want anyone to know about. In other words, a married man the family knows or even a relative of some sort. It seems any time the subject is broached with Cindy, she gets tense and uptight about it. Why else would she freeze up unless the Father was someone like this. Just a thought.

 

[QuickAttack]

If Casey was honest with Tony, Jesus Ortiz is NOT the father.

Tony's friend "DJ" said that Casey told him that Caylee's father had a terrible accident on the way to Caylee's birthday party.

On Greta right now. Also, DJ states that the last time they saw Caylee was June 13.

 

[UCFAlumni2002]

Ok, if Caylee's dad died in an accideent on the way to her party last year, could it be possible that the dad's family MAY have known about her (i.e. through a will or something) and wanted to get custody and Casey finally just gave in and concocted this story? ( sorry about spelling!)

 

[Harry]

Hi Quick Attack,
But I don't believe anything Casey would say...and it sounds a little romantic that the guy would happen to die on the way to a birthday party!

 

[olive]

If Casey was honest with Tony, Jesus Ortiz is NOT the father.

Tony's friend "DJ" said that Casey told him that Caylee's father had a terrible accident on the way to Caylee's birthday party.

On Greta right now. Also, DJ states that the last time they saw Caylee was June 13.

Cindy disputed that and said the father had never even met Caylee, much less tried to get to a birthday.

Another one of Casey's lies intended to get sympathy.

 

[Sleuthster]

Is this the Jesus Ortiz?
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=15753753

If it is, he states that he wants children someday. Makes me believe he didnt have any.

 

[Salem]

Hi Quick Attack,
But I don't believe anything Casey would say...and it sounds a little romantic that the guy would happen to die on the way to a birthday party!

I agree! Why believe Casey now? Even if Cindy would not have come out and said it was not true. The very story is pure BS. She told Tony this because it made it sound like she had some type of good relationship with the guy and the guy was a nice guy who cared about his kid.

Caylee's dad probably does not even know he is a dad.

Salem

 

[christine2448]

JMO, fwiw.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68252

 

[Salem]

JMO, fwiw.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68252

I think out of all the guys we are speculating about Ricardo Morales looks the most like Caylee. However, this emailer sounds like she/he is basing the statement that he is the dad on looks alone. We really should have more than that to go on.

Any chance you can ask how they know RM is the dad?

Salem

 

[curiositycat]

From another photo that I saw with all 4 guys it appears to me that Jesus looked the most like Caylee. That being said..this situation may be like a Maury Povich show. For what ever reason, and I am not going to go there, she just may not have known for sure which guy was the baby daddy.

 

[christine2448]

I think out of all the guys we are speculating about Ricardo Morales looks the most like Caylee. However, this emailer sounds like she/he is basing the statement that he is the dad on looks alone. We really should have more than that to go on.

Any chance you can ask how they know RM is the dad?

Salem

They don't Salem. That is why they contacted us...tried to get reggied, couldn't. Emailed me some info, said this makes sense..I was intrigued. They asked me if we could find out about the relationship...when it started..could Caylee be his??? This emailer thinks so, thinks R took Caylee to his family in PR...I don't know?? LOL!

Got me?

 

[curiositycat]

Hi Quick Attack,
But I don't believe anything Casey would say...and it sounds a little romantic that the guy would happen to die on the way to a birthday party!

Ya Think??? LOL
Me thinks Ms. Casey is a drama queen extradoniare!!

 

[curiositycat]

They don't Salem. That is why they contacted us...tried to get reggied, couldn't. Emailed me some info, said this makes sense..I was intrigued. They asked me if we could find out about the relationship...when it started..could Caylee be his??? This emailer thinks so, thinks R took Caylee to his family in PR...I don't know?? LOL!

Got me?

It's strange but for what ever reason, maybe the busy forum, this is the first time I have heard this.
My first inclination in the first three days was Amy took her to Puerto Rico.
Why Amy, can't tell you..it was just a feeling.

 

[Salem]

They don't Salem. That is why they contacted us...tried to get reggied, couldn't. Emailed me some info, said this makes sense..I was intrigued. They asked me if we could find out about the relationship...when it started..could Caylee be his??? This emailer thinks so, thinks R took Caylee to his family in PR...I don't know?? LOL!

Got me?

I wonder if LE knows where this RM is? You know, I can see how this person might think RM took her to PR.

If last time she was seen at Tony's apt was June 13th, then Casey and Caylee went to Gp's until June 16ish when there was some big blow out, who was caring for Caylee when Casey was at Fusion on June 20th? And the days and nights after the 20th until the June 22nd weekend?

Either Casey was using Zanny the drug or someone was really watching this baby. My thought is it was the drug, because no one has come forward to say they were watching Caylee during this time period. But the pictures show she was not with her mom. The only other way to look at it - is something happened to Caylee on the evening of June 16th. This doesn't seem to fit with the stolen gas time line.

I don't knooooooooooooow.......

Salem

 

[Salem]

It's strange but for what ever reason, maybe the busy forum, this is the first time I have heard this.
My first inclination in the first three days was Amy took her to Puerto Rico.
Why Amy, can't tell you..it was just a feeling.

I suppose I am getting off topic here, but I don't know how to quote between threads. Guess I need to figure that out.

Anyway.... if Amy did this, why is she not coming forward now? Also, LE has probably already checked this through the flight manifest and maybe even video. Even if the child does not need a ticket, they must be named on the manifest.

But see my response to Christine - I can see where this scenario would fit the timeline, etc. I just don't understand the reasoning.

Salem

 

[curiositycat]

No, I should have made that a lot clearer, sorry! I don't think Amy did it. I just had a vibe about Caylee being in Puerto Rico. When I heard about RM..it jarred my memory.

 

[mom_of_five]

Scenario: Casey, somewhere along the line, figures out/tells Ricardo he is Caylee’s father. Ricardo and Casey are together (she lived there and stated Ricardo was her ex-boyfriend). Casey brings Caylee to live with her and Ricardo. Something happens (perhaps Ricardo doesn’t like Casey’s partying ways, etc). Ricardo sends Caylee (perhaps via Amy) to Puerto Rico to live with his family.

Scenario 2: Ricardo discovers he is Caylee’s father (or at least suspects it), he introduces Casey to the nanny (who, coincidentally) lives right across the street from him. Ricardo bonds with Caylee over time. Casey mentions that Cindy (her mother) is too controlling and has threatened to take Caylee from her (Casey). Ricardo plans (and succeeds) in shuffling Caylee off to Puerto Rico to live with his family. Casey could or could not have known about the plan.

Keep in mind that Ricardo is an ex-cop, so he would certainly have connections. Could easily frame Casey if he’d planned things out enough in advance (the smell in the car, Caylee’s hair, smell in three spots in yard, etc). Would explain why Casey doesn’t trust LOCAL law enforcement and wants FBI involved instead. Would also explain why Casey didn’t call the LOCAL cops when Caylee went missing (and her lies when she WAS arrested). Zenaida could be a real person who has known Ricardo for quite some time (and is now in Puerto Rico with Caylee). And Casey could be telling the truth that she doesn’t know where Caylee is. If Casey believes Ricardo has sent Caylee away (with or without Casey’s permission), that would explain why Casey didn’t and doesn’t seem concerned about Caylee’s welfare (she trusts Ricardo in some manner).

Too similar to a Lifetime show? :waitasec:

 

[mom_of_five]

What kind of ‘friends’ would describe Casey as a ‘habitual liar’?


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[txsvicki]

I'll bet none of these guys are Caylee's dad. Casey would have been lying about them all over the place, collecting child support, social security, and mooching off their parents. If she even knows who the daddy is, she probably used the dead daddy excuse to get more sympathy and money from her own parents. That is, if any of it is even true. The real daddy could be in prison or something for all anyone knows. If the dead guy really is the dad, his parents or family should demand testing (if there's anything to test) and file a wrongful death suit against Casey someday.

 

[krimekat]

Scenario: Casey, somewhere along the line, figures out/tells Ricardo he is Caylee’s father. Ricardo and Casey are together (she lived there and stated Ricardo was her ex-boyfriend). Casey brings Caylee to live with her and Ricardo. Something happens (perhaps Ricardo doesn’t like Casey’s partying ways, etc). Ricardo sends Caylee (perhaps via Amy) to Puerto Rico to live with his family.

Scenario 2: Ricardo discovers he is Caylee’s father (or at least suspects it), he introduces Casey to the nanny (who, coincidentally) lives right across the street from him. Ricardo bonds with Caylee over time. Casey mentions that Cindy (her mother) is too controlling and has threatened to take Caylee from her (Casey). Ricardo plans (and succeeds) in shuffling Caylee off to Puerto Rico to live with his family. Casey could or could not have known about the plan.

Keep in mind that Ricardo is an ex-cop, so he would certainly have connections. Could easily frame Casey if he’d planned things out enough in advance (the smell in the car, Caylee’s hair, smell in three spots in yard, etc). Would explain why Casey doesn’t trust LOCAL law enforcement and wants FBI involved instead. Would also explain why Casey didn’t call the LOCAL cops when Caylee went missing (and her lies when she WAS arrested). Zenaida could be a real person who has known Ricardo for quite some time (and is now in Puerto Rico with Caylee). And Casey could be telling the truth that she doesn’t know where Caylee is. If Casey believes Ricardo has sent Caylee away (with or without Casey’s permission), that would explain why Casey didn’t and doesn’t seem concerned about Caylee’s welfare (she trusts Ricardo in some manner).

Too similar to a Lifetime show? :waitasec:

Wow!!! That did not cross my mind, but in contrast has anyone seen this http://www.mmdnewswire.com/missing-silah-children-3659.html? Talk about crazy!!!