who killed devon and damon!!

[txsvicki]

Yall are some wild women!!! OMgosh. I have never done stuff like this! LMAO!!!!:laugh:

I am so glad to see at least two other women who have done a few things like I have done. I have cussed a few men out in walmart who nearly ran over me, hit me with a basket, and told off several rude secretaries and clerks. My husband thinks I am crazy.

 

[cami]

Okay. Shoving the cake in Devon's face was only one incident of lack of empathy for others. So does that mean that any one of us who perhaps shoved a piece of cake in their child's face qualifies for the lack of empathy requirement? Do we have any other instances of lack of empathy to show a pattern other than the actual murders?

Same with the poor behavior in the pawn shop. Am I the only one who has showed their butt in public before? Does throwing a bag of cokes back into a drive thru window quality? How about dumping a pitcher of Kool Aid on your kid's head for making messes? (I was pregnant and really fed up with their behavior that day.) My kids say I am the most loving Mom they know (when they aren't mad at me), so do these behavior flaws make me the most loving narcisscistic mom or am I missing something here?

I am not saying you are wrong about Darlie because I really don't know. It just disturbs me a little when we don't have patterns to make a fair judgment on. Putting everything in all the books together with the testimony, I still don't see enough pattern to really label her. I know I have called her narcisscistic before, but with great hesitation, and now I am rethinking it again.

you sound more like a bad tempered old hag than a narcissist. LOL

No, goody not one incident makes a narcissist but I think it could suggest a pattern. We don't know if there are more, since no one is willing to talk. There's just those little things that rear their head that lead me to believe she was pathological. Well you'd have to be to do what she did.

No, I know you don't want to categorize Darlie but in my opinion there is a pathology whether it be anti social, psychopathic or narcissistic I don't know but I think it's there or are we back to wanting to believe she killed them for no other reason than she wanted rid of them. That she can continue to lie with a straight face in the face of all the evidence that leads to her as the killer. And the lying about Damon walking and talking with six stab wounds in his back goes beyond it for me. I just wanted to point out that narcissism is not just being selfish, it goes beyond that.

 

[beesy]

you sound more like a bad tempered old hag than a narcissist. LOL

No, goody not one incident makes a narcissist but I think it could suggest a pattern. We don't know if there are more, since no one is willing to talk. There's just those little things that rear their head that lead me to believe she was pathological. Well you'd have to be to do what she did.

No, I know you don't want to categorize Darlie but in my opinion there is a pathology whether it be anti social, psychopathic or narcissistic I don't know but I think it's there or are we back to wanting to believe she killed them for no other reason than she wanted rid of them. That she can continue to lie with a straight face in the face of all the evidence that leads to her as the killer. And the lying about Damon walking and talking with six stab wounds in his back goes beyond it for me. I just wanted to point out that narcissism is not just being selfish, it goes beyond that.

How about me? Do I just sound like a grumpy middle aged hag? When I hit 35, I suddenly thought "I'm going to stand up for myself". So I have!
If we say Darlie killed her boys just because wanted to get rid of them, wouldn't that still point to a pathology? Most likely psychopathic. And no Goody, I am not jumping up and down and screaming "Darlie is a psycho!" Is it just my generation or does everybody make the sound from Psycho when they pick up a knife?

 

[Jeana (DP)]

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Is there a word for people who feel that they come to really develope a knowing of another person through these forums and newspaper articles and reinactments on television so that they can diagnose them with psychological conditions? Surely there is one. For this is indeed strange and bizarre behavior do not you think?

Extremely intelligent and intuitive????

 

[Goody]

you sound more like a bad tempered old hag than a narcissist. LOL

ahahahahahhahahahahahhah! I am offended!! :slap: hahahahahah. Actually I did those things years ago while trying to juggle kids and jobs and bills and all the other stuff that goes with it. I am quite an even tempered old hag now, though I do give TJ and my a son a run for their money on occasion.

No, goody not one incident makes a narcissist but I think it could suggest a pattern. We don't know if there are more, since no one is willing to talk. There's just those little things that rear their head that lead me to believe she was pathological. Well you'd have to be to do what she did.

No, I know you don't want to categorize Darlie but in my opinion there is a pathology whether it be anti social, psychopathic or narcissistic I don't know but I think it's there or are we back to wanting to believe she killed them for no other reason than she wanted rid of them. That she can continue to lie with a straight face in the face of all the evidence that leads to her as the killer. And the lying about Damon walking and talking with six stab wounds in his back goes beyond it for me. I just wanted to point out that narcissism is not just being selfish, it goes beyond that.

I think that people can kill each other without being anti social or pathological or social rejects,etc. I think in some instances people can be selfish without being narcisscistic and kill for whatever gain they are after just because they have decided for whatever reason that is the thing to do. I don't think that the incidents we have to work with show any of the above. I mean, have you heard the way young people talk today? An amazing number of young mothers curse their children pretty regularly and think nothing of it. I don't approve, of course, but I don't think it makes the mother anti social, just lacking in parenting skills.

As for lying about Damon walking and talking, if she had the whatever it takes to kill the boy, why on earth would you be shocked that she would lie about his actions? Don't killing and lying sort of go hand in hand? Even lying about the victim?

It always amazes me when people get all bent of shape because a killer hid the body. They go nuts over that. He hid the body, he hid that body...boy, is that callous? I just sit and scratch my head. Doesn't hiding the body sort of go with the killing? I mean, only crazy people turn themselves in after killing someone. Everyone else seems to make at least a feeble attempt at covering it all up. I would think that it would be an natural reaction to hide or bury the victims after the killing. Not sure where I am going with this. I sort of feel like the gecko that takes about pie and chips.

 

[Goody]

How about me? Do I just sound like a grumpy middle aged hag? When I hit 35, I suddenly thought "I'm going to stand up for myself". So I have!

It is sort of like the scene at the end of "Fried Green Tomatoes" when Kathy Bates goes nuts in the store parking lot and smashes up some smart alecky girls' car. She says, "But I am older, girls, and have more insurance." I love that scene!

If we say Darlie killed her boys just because wanted to get rid of them, wouldn't that still point to a pathology? Most likely psychopathic. And no Goody, I am not jumping up and down and screaming "Darlie is a psycho!" Is it just my generation or does everybody make the sound from

Psycho when they pick up a knife?

No, a person is not psychotic just because they do something we don't understand or goes against the rules of society. I don't believe for one minute that Darlie is psychotic. As for the music, that could be true, :laugh: but we will never know because we weren't there to hear it.

 

[deanws]

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It is sort of like the scene at the end of "Fried Green Tomatoes" when Kathy Bates goes nuts in the store parking lot and smashes up some smart alecky girls' car. She says, "But I am older, girls, and have more insurance." I love that scene!


No, a person is not psychotic just because they do something we don't understand or goes against the rules of society. I don't believe for one minute that Darlie is psychotic. As for the music, that could be true, :laugh: but we will never know because we weren't there to hear it.

I like that scene too! LOL!

 

[Goody]

I like that scene too! LOL!

Well, it is time for Goody to go to bed. Maybe by morning there will be some new topic to discuss. Good night all.

 

[beesy]

QUOTE=Goody][/b][/color]It is sort of like the scene at the end of "Fried Green Tomatoes" when Kathy Bates goes nuts in the store parking lot and smashes up some smart alecky girls' car. She says, "But I am older, girls, and have more insurance." I love that scene!

I love that movie! I can relate more to her character now then I could when I first saw it.

As for the music, that could be true, but we will never know because we weren't there to hear it.

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No, I meant that my friends and I always go "eee eee eee eee eee", well you the know the music, whenever we pick up a butcher knife. ahem, um maybe that's just us then.

 

[cami]

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Narcissism goes beyond being selfish....... it's more of a sense of entitlement without regard for the feelings of others. A lack of empathy (cake in Devon's face), constantly envious of others OR believes they feel the same about him/her (paying neighbour's mortgage, paying for the mother's day strip parties), arrogant, haughty behaviour (pawn shop) coupled with rage when frustrated, contradicted or confronted (hollering and cursing at the kids, locking them out), (the murders). These are just my opinions only so don't take them to the bank..

Is there a word for people who feel that they come to really develope a knowing of another person through these forums and newspaper articles and reinactments on television so that they can diagnose them with psychological conditions? Surely there is one. For this is indeed strange and bizarre behavior do not you think?[/QUOTE]


Yes, there is Snooty, it's "curbstone psychiatrist" And who said it was a diagnosis, it's my opinion that's all, take it or leave it.

When you have an interest in psychology as I have, in trying to understand what makes people tick, like Darlie you immerse yourself in research of perosonality disorders. If I didn't believe there was a pathology, as I have stated many times before, then I have to believe that Darlie killed those boys because she wanted rid of them and for no other reason.

Whether you or Goody find any patterns to slot Darlie remains. In my opinion she has a narcissistic personality disorder hand in hand with a histrionic personality disorder, and she was taking speed, which pushed her over the edge.

 

[SnootyVixen]

[QUOTE
It always amazes me when people get all bent of shape because a killer hid the body. They go nuts over that. He hid the body, he hid that body...boy, is that callous? I just sit and scratch my head. Doesn't hiding the body sort of go with the killing? I mean, only crazy people turn themselves in after killing someone. Everyone else seems to make at least a feeble attempt at covering it all up. I would think that it would be an natural reaction to hide or bury the victims after the killing. Not sure where I am going with this. I sort of feel like the gecko that takes about pie and chips. [/QUOTE]

You know Goody I did have a dream about killing a man and i can still see his body sprawled out beneath a tree and I was horrified and panicked and thinking what have I done. I have ruined my life. And thinking that I must hide it or my life woudl be ruin. I think I read too much of this stuff.

 

[beesy]

Yes, there is Snooty, it's "curbstone psychiatrist" And who said it was a diagnosis, it's my opinion that's all, take it or leave it

backseat driver, Monday morning quarterback, armchair quarterback. You know your stuff, cami. You don't have to be in the game to play it.

 

[Goody]

No, I meant that my friends and I always go "eee eee eee eee eee", well you the know the music, whenever we pick up a butcher knife. ahem, um maybe that's just us then. http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons6/65.gif

Yep, me thinks it is just you guys. I am usually looking at a ham when I pick up one. Never think about this stuff in the kitchen.

 

[deanws]

Yep, me thinks it is just you guys. I am usually looking at a ham when I pick up one. Never think about this stuff in the kitchen.

How about singing the jaws song every time I go into the ocean! LOL...I still think of it every time!!!

 

[Goody]

How about singing the jaws song every time I go into the ocean! LOL...I still think of it every time!!!

Well, I do admit to being a bit skiddish when I take a shower. At least I was. Now we have one of those handheld show erheads and I can sit and shower at my leisure. Don't have to close my eyes anymore and imagine that knife coming thru the curtain at me. Thank God I never heard that music though. I'd probably be in the funny farm now. LOL!

 

[beesy]

How about singing the jaws song every time I go into the ocean! LOL...I still think of it every time!!!

Yes, I do the Jaws tune as well. Best tag line in movie history: "Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water..."

 

[G.I.RattlesnakeJane]

I am so glad to see at least two other women who have done a few things like I have done. I have cussed a few men out in walmart who nearly ran over me, hit me with a basket, and told off several rude secretaries and clerks. My husband thinks I am crazy.

The regular WalMart or the super Wal-Mart. Why does MALL-WART ( my family nickname for the chain) bring out the worst in people. Is it the way the hoards of people make even a saint feel claustrophobic. I won't go there during peek hours as I know I can't take it. By knowing your own personal limits we can avoid future confrontations. I bet you all have adapted to your limits too. Like me you don't go certain stores at certain times or you don't go the same pharmacy anymore because the customer service was so bad. I will tell my mad at a pharmacist story if Goody will tell hers.... I hope you got his licence revoked I did.

 

[beesy]

The regular WalMart or the super Wal-Mart. Why does MALL-WART ( my family nickname for the chain) bring out the worst in people. Is it the way the hoards of people make even a saint feel claustrophobic. I won't go there during peek hours as I know I can't take it. By knowing your own personal limits we can avoid future confrontations. I bet you all have adapted to your limits too. Like me you don't go certain stores at certain times or you don't go the same pharmacy anymore because the customer service was so bad. I will tell my mad at a pharmacist story if Goody will tell hers.... I hope you got his licence revoked I did.

Do you mean me? I'm the one who threw candy at the pharmacist. I guess I'll spill. It was time for my seizure meds to be refilled. I take Ativan for what is called break-through seizures. I still had them for a long time even while on seizure meds until we threw the Ativan in there too. Ok, so, my insurance would not accept it, even though I was standing there with the bottle which showed they were due that day. The guy just said "can't get em", like in a too bad, not my problem sort of way. So I asked for one day's worth and he said he couldn't do that because it's a narcotic. What did he think I was going to do with 3 of them? Then he said "well you can buy the whole Rx yourself". Over $100! The girl behind the counter was putting her big mouth in it too. Both babbling on. So I was standing there with my Swedish Fish, which I really wanted. I threw the bag, a big bag at that, towards both of them. I aimed for the bottles on the shelf, but missed those and the people. Oh well. ha ha I came home, wrote a nice long email to Rite-Aid. They wrote me back saying the 2 people were being disciplined and for some reason, I never saw their butts at that store again! Tee Hee:razz:

 

[Goody]

Do you mean me? I'm the one who threw candy at the pharmacist. I guess I'll spill. It was time for my seizure meds to be refilled. I take Ativan for what is called break-through seizures. I still had them for a long time even while on seizure meds until we threw the Ativan in there too. Ok, so, my insurance would not accept it, even though I was standing there with the bottle which showed they were due that day. The guy just said "can't get em", like in a too bad, not my problem sort of way. So I asked for one day's worth and he said he couldn't do that because it's a narcotic. What did he think I was going to do with 3 of them? Then he said "well you can buy the whole Rx yourself". Over $100! The girl behind the counter was putting her big mouth in it too. Both babbling on. So I was standing there with my Swedish Fish, which I really wanted. I thew the bag, a big bag at that, towards both of them. I aimed for the bottles on the shelf, but missed those and the people. Oh well. ha ha I came home, wrote a nice long email to Rite-Aid. They wrote me back saying the 2 people were being disciplined and for some reason, I never saw their butts at that store again! Tee Hee:razz:

I love happy endings. And good for you. People need to realize that you don't treat customers poorly. In the old days that kind of behavior would get you fired on the spot. Except maybe in my Dad's restaurant. My evil stepmother insulted customers on a daily basis. LOL!

 

[Goody]

Is there a word for people who feel that they come to really develope a knowing of another person through these forums and newspaper articles and reinactments on television so that they can diagnose them with psychological conditions? Surely there is one. For this is indeed strange and bizarre behavior do not you think?

Yes, there is Snooty, it's "curbstone psychiatrist" And who said it was a diagnosis, it's my opinion that's all, take it or leave it.

When you have an interest in psychology as I have, in trying to understand what makes people tick, like Darlie you immerse yourself in research of perosonality disorders. If I didn't believe there was a pathology, as I have stated many times before, then I have to believe that Darlie killed those boys because she wanted rid of them and for no other reason.

Whether you or Goody find any patterns to slot Darlie remains. In my opinion she has a narcissistic personality disorder hand in hand with a histrionic personality disorder, and she was taking speed, which pushed her over the edge.[/QUOTE]
I don't disagree with you. I just wish we had more evidence to base your conclusion on.

Do you think someone who is not narcissistic could kill their children in cold blood? I do. I think in this day and age we have become so materialistic as a society that some of us can do horrible things without being mentally ill on any level, I don't think one has to be "sick" to commit murder. Immoral maybe, selfish maybe, egotistical maybe but not necessarily to the extreme of a personality disorder or mental illness.