Who killed JBR? Occam’s Razor has something to say (and so do I).

[CloudedTruth]

[starting out with the disclaimer that i have no strong opinion either way in terms of who did it]

that being said, i'd also say that someone at one of JB's dance lessons or recitals could also be part of the suspect pool if IDI. another girl from JB's dance classes, "Amy," was targeted in an SA by an intruder a few months later. maybe the dad, uncle, older brother, etc of one of the other dancers saw these girls at a recital, or while dropping their daughter/sister/etc off at dance class & picking her up...?

Amy's "attacker" was known to her mother, he had spent time in the house as the mother's "guest", while her husband was out of town. The two cases are not related.

 

[CloudedTruth]

JonBenet was literally on display vía her kiddie pageants. This would be perfect hunting grounds for a demented pervert.

Further, it would seem due to their privileged lifestyle, the Ramsey’s had several service providers who would come and go at their home. More stranger access to the child.

Between the pageants and the service providers coming and going at their home, I think that is the suspect pool that I would be looking at.

I agree with all of you, who think this is someone who developed an obsession, and presumably, an obsession would take more time than a random encounter. This would be something that developed with additional exposure to the child.

So, in summary, my theory is that this is someone who was attached to the pageants, or was a service provider at the Ramsey home

Amateur opinion and speculation only

They did look at those suspect pools. Extensively.

When you look at the ransom note and the personal references that it contained, that points elsewhere. That points to Patsy Ramsey. Of course that is my opinion, however it is shared by many. Including many of the handwriting experts who have examined it. The intruder theory simply does not hold water.

 

[sunspun]

I respectfully disagree. A predator trying to abduct a child isn't going to take the time to wrote the War and Peace of ransom notes, not to mention he left his victim , didn't even take her out of the house but wrote that insane ransom note with the Ramsey's pen and paper?
For just what reason?
An intruder would have fled the scene as quickly as possible.
How would an intruder know where to leave that RN on the stairs for PR to find?
And again, what would be the point of taking all of that time with the RM when your victim is dead?
You would get out of there as fast as possible.
Also, how would an intruder know how to find his way around that dark, cluttered house?
How would he know about the room in the basement and how to find his way there in the dark, cluttered, winding house?

Absolutely no way possible to IMHO.
This case really gets to me because the person responsible, again imo, has been on a decades long sympathy tour pretending to be a grieving victim when he in fact is the murderer.
It gets to me really badly.

Anyone who would do this to a child is (I hope it goes without saying) MENTALLY DISTURBED. In my view, this alone is more than enough to satisfactorily answer many of your questions! I totally agree that it doesn't make sense! But I say that's because we're dealing with a very mentally disturbed person, who probably had a bizarre, depraved, and chaotic mind, whose reasons for doing things would likely not make sense to most people.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Anyone who would do this to a child is (I hope it goes without saying) MENTALLY DISTURBED. In my view, this alone is more than enough to satisfactorily answer many of your questions! I totally agree that it doesn't make sense! But I say that's because we're dealing with a very mentally disturbed person, who probably had a bizarre, depraved, and chaotic mind, whose reasons for doing things would likely not make sense to most people.

Very crítical point.

 

[Lilibet]

What has influenced me from the beginning are simple facts. The biggest is that JR and PR stonewalled for months (wasn’t it 4?) before finally sitting down for a formal police interview. If you want to find out who killed your daughter, that is the opposite of what you do. That and filling their house with friends that morning, which contaminated evidence. Plus, the ransom note had told them not to speak to LE, FBI, the bank or even stray dog or JonBenet would be beheaded. They were told they were being watched! They did the exact opposite and made no effort to be discreet about it, as if they knew she was dead. There is more as others have posted, such as the ransom note, but these few simple facts have been my Occam’s Razor for RDI all these years, that have made the more complicated IDI theory extremely unlikely IMO.

While I respect the effort of those pursuing the IDI theory, I’m not likely to change my mind, so I won’t be debating. I will agree that the sexualizing of JonBenet was disgusting, but I don’t think it’s enough to build an IDI theory on and override my RDI opinion.

JMO MOO

 

[FlyOfDragons]

Amy's "attacker" was known to her mother, he had spent time in the house as the mother's "guest", while her husband was out of town. The two cases are not related.

interesting, i hadn’t heard about this! may i ask where you got this from so i can read further?

 

[CloudedTruth]

interesting, i hadn’t heard about this! may i ask where you got this from so i can read further?

This information came from a press conference given by the Private Investigator that the father hired to look into the case. I saw a write up of it quite some time ago. I will try to find the link and post it here.

 

[fr brown]

If you have someone you know was in the house that night, who had "deep, dark secrets," "deviant and strange behavior," "a darker side," and "foul moods," who wrote the ransom note and was wearing the same clothes the next morning, maybe you don't need to bend over backwards to find other suspects.

 

[CloudedTruth]

interesting, i hadn’t heard about this! may i ask where you got this from so i can read further?

Here is a link to the acandyrose site which documents the Press Conference where the PI is interviewed, and mentions that the mother kept bringing the guy into the house while the husband was out of town.

s-september97-intruder.htm

There were also comments made about this case by Mark Beckner about the father, who had complained that the BPD weren't taking the investigation seriously.

Mark Beckner in and interview in the Daily camera: said Amy's father demanded police stop investigating the case when they wanted to question her male friends. Why would he stop them from doing basic police work on his daughter's case?

"The victim's father in the September 1997 sex assault demanded that police stop investigating the case when detectives began interviewing the victim's male friends, according to police reports. He said police were looking in the wrong direction."

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

Anyone who would do this to a child is (I hope it goes without saying) MENTALLY DISTURBED. In my view, this alone is more than enough to satisfactorily answer many of your questions! I totally agree that it doesn't make sense! But I say that's because we're dealing with a very mentally disturbed person, who probably had a bizarre, depraved, and chaotic mind, whose reasons for doing things would likely not make sense to most people.

You are describing someone very dysregulated. Someone that chaotic would make mistakes. The profile we are fed is of someone VERY organized.

 

[proust20]

Applying Occam's Razor: 1) The vast majority of murder victims know their killers. 2) SA is most likely at the hands of a family member or care giver. 3) The person who 'finds' the body is often the killer. 4) At times, the killer will join in the search for their victim.

To say that there is no evidence of chronic abuse refutes the autopsy. The parents were firm in their denial of it. Remember how Patsy could not remember calling Dr. Beuf numerous times in one day. Then again, perhaps that should not seem out of place to her? The Rs were surprised by the pineapple findings.

My first and constant question to IDI proponents: By what means did the intruder(s) arrive at & depart from the R residence? Car, van, bike, or on foot?

Aside from that, there is zero evidence of an intrusion. The broken window theory of LS did not work for the GJ, and with good reason. Neither does the stun gun. The intruder(s) knew about the size 12 Bloomis and where to find them quickly in the dark in that huge house? And then, they take extra time after the murder to get, by chance, JB's favorite items - white blanket, Barbie nightgown. Beyond this, the timeline has to be distorted to align with IDI, e.g. How long to write the RN that we have. Then, JB eating the pineapple in the interval before TOD has to fit in. There's a 40 min. gap between head blow and application of the garrote, So, the intruder(s) hung out in the basement, maybe peeking into the gift wrapped packages? They did not touch the liquor. Did they browse the dictionary for "incest"? Moreover, they knew about the 118k, that the dog was at the neighbors', and also that the home security system was inactivated, while 'monitoring' the R's house without being noticed and finding the perfect moment to break in. (When exactly was that?) Managing to leave neither footprints nor fingerprints, not even on the RN. Nor saliva, nor semen, nor blood. For the finale, Dracula morphs into a bat and flies off into the cold and oh so dark mountain night.

It cannot be disputed that JonBenet's three family were in the house Christmas night with her. That part is not a fantasy.

 

[proust20]

Another problem for IDI is that Patsy's fibers were found in the garrote which was made with her paintbrush, and John's fibers were found on the body. So, both those who were totally innocent left incriminating, though misleading, evidence. On the other hand the perp(s) managed the crime immaculately.

Who profiles the profilers?

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

Applying Occam's Razor: 1) The vast majority of murder victims know their killers. 2) SA is most likely at the hands of a family member or care giver. 3) The person who 'finds' the body is often the killer. 4) At times, the killer will join in the search for their victim.

To say that there is no evidence of chronic abuse refutes the autopsy. The parents were firm in their denial of it. Remember how Patsy could not remember calling Dr. Beuf numerous times in one day. Then again, perhaps that should not seem out of place to her? The Rs were surprised by the pineapple findings.

My first and constant question to IDI proponents: By what means did the intruder(s) arrive at & depart from the R residence? Car, van, bike, or on foot?

Aside from that, there is zero evidence of an intrusion. The broken window theory of LS did not work for the GJ, and with good reason. Neither does the stun gun. The intruder(s) knew about the size 12 Bloomis and where to find them quickly in the dark in that huge house? And then, they take extra time after the murder to get, by chance, JB's favorite items - white blanket, Barbie nightgown. Beyond this, the timeline has to be distorted to align with IDI, e.g. How long to write the RN that we have. Then, JB eating the pineapple in the interval before TOD has to fit in. There's a 40 min. gap between head blow and application of the garrote, So, the intruder(s) hung out in the basement, maybe peeking into the gift wrapped packages? They did not touch the liquor. Did they browse the dictionary for "incest"? Moreover, they knew about the 118k, that the dog was at the neighbors', and also that the home security system was inactivated, while 'monitoring' the R's house without being noticed and finding the perfect moment to break in. (When exactly was that?) Managing to leave neither footprints nor fingerprints, not even on the RN. Nor saliva, nor semen, nor blood. For the finale, Dracula morphs into a bat and flies off into the cold and oh so dark mountain night.

It cannot be disputed that JonBenet's three family were in the house Christmas night with her. That part is not a fantasy.

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