Who really watched Caylee ??

[bowler]

I think it was all an act basically. Selling nonsense so the blame didn't land at their door or on their shoulders. I shouldn't say it, but will. In my mind, this is not the first time at the rodeo for the A's, meaning they just all didn't decide to start lying when the 31 days had passed. I believe there is a history of story telling in the family that dates from way back and not just with ICA.

:twocents: and I think just maybe Casey and Lee were managed w drugs in their youth. Wonder if the police have their history from the early years? Who kept them as toddlers and after school? Nights out?
Does Ohio have secrets?

 

[JennaB]

Interesting, especially about the computer. I was trying to do case work from home on my laptop many moons ago, I have always used Macs. It didn't fly with my boss. I wouldn't have thought about that.

When I first read documents that detailed Casey's work from home claims and the details on the computer Casey was using, I right away thought that no boss would allow an employee to use a personal computer to complete work. I started working from home in late 2007. I work for a medical supply company and when I was first hired to do technical writing, they gave me the option of working from mostly from home. I do go into the company office once or twice a week to go over my work or meet with supervisors or other people who are dependent on my tasks. I was first issued a desktop PC that has expensive security and virus software and software that is specific to the work I do. There is no a way I could use my personal computers to do work stuff.

Since 2007, my company has replaced the desktop PC with a laptop and base station.

The Compaq laptop Casey was claiming to work from would be considered by most businesses to be inadequate for work related tasks. I looked up prices and specs on Compaq Presarios and they most they cost is $800 and the cheaper models only have 1 or 2 GB of memory.

 

[bowler]

IIRC, a long time ago, I saw a pic of a very distressed little Caylee and it looked like Caylee was standing in the trunk of a car.........any one remember?
What temps would it be in the evenings of the winter months?
The empty velvetta cheese cartons also never made sense in the trunk.

Velvetta may have been a fav of Caylee but also used to hide a pill...

 

[tlcya]

I do not think the trunk was Zanny. I think for a while, she would drop Caylee off at bedtime at person A's house after dosing her with something like benedryl or similar product to make her good and sleepy, telling her parents the child was with Zanny. The next time it would be at person B's house and so on. Sometimes, she would trick the A's into watching her with the old I have to work an event tonight and then tell everyone she was with that Caylee was with Zanny. I think she simply landed the child whereever she could at bedtime, welldosed and drowsy, leaving her free to party. "she is zonked, spent today at the beach with Zanny, she should sleep like the dead, won't be any trouble." Or something to that effect.

I think the trunk option was something she had been considering, hence the internet searches but I do not think it was a regular practice. I think when she finally did try to institute the trunk as Zanny is when things went awry and Caylee died in there, wuite probably teh first time she put her inside. MOO total speculation.

 

[daisy.faithfull]

I'm going to watch Nancy and workout... Cool topic, I learned a couple things! Thank you!

 

[daisy.faithfull]

Its possible that they found Susan Powell....

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Casey..took her with her, or Cindy under false pretenses.

 

[Baznme]

So could the levels be as high as they were because KC had put Caylee in there a few times before she died ???

Bingo! I think the Nanny was the chloroform. IMO, no coincidence there were computer searches at the A home on chloroform. It didn't get into the trunk area all by itself. Add to that, the duct tape that matched what was at the A home. Add to that, she didn't report Caylee missing for over 30 days and no one had seen her after June 15th (Father's Day).

My theory is the chloroform/trunk was the nanny i.e., the babysitter. When she started seeing TL, is when she seemed not to care what happened to Caylee. The video of she and TL in the video store to me is the ultimate. Either Caylee was already gone or she was in the trunk of that car waiting for her mother to decide to let her come out. It was already hot in Fla. on June 15th. Daytime temps should have already been in the 90's easily.

 

[patcorn]

I really would hate to think she often put that poor baby in a trunk yet still my mind goes back to RM's interview when he described how kc left in the middle of the night while he was sleeping because CA demanded she bring Caylee home and CA denying that this incidennt ever took place. Where else could she have gone and taken her besides the car? Maybe it was cooler at night and I can see her leaving the trunk cracked a bit or even cracking the windows and possibly pulling the back seat down a bit so that she could breathe. You know how in some cars you can get into the trunk by pulling the backseat forward?

 

[dog.gone.cute]

:cow::cow::cow:

I think the main babysitter for Caylee was CA and GA.

But when ICA wanted to go out "partying" ... I think the "baby sitter" was one of two things:

1. Chloroform ? remember those computer searches and the "huge amount" of chloroform found in the trunk of ICA's car ?

2. Xanax ? remember one of ICA's texts (?) with one of her friends about Xanax ? (Sorry I don't have the link handy.)

I agree with many of the posts above that ICA could not have left Caylee in the trunk because of the Florida heat ...

I was wondering if maybe ICA left Caylee in the car on some nights, with the windows rolled down, if she couldn't get a babysitter ? AND -- used either Xanax or Chloroform to make sure Caylee did not wake up ?

Just "guessing" here ... and it makes me "sick" to even "think" of these possibilities !

Justice is coming for you soon, Caylee !

 

[Pattymarie]

I have always thought that KC had nothing else to do but watch Caylee. That is all she did with her time. That is why she got sick of it. She wanted to be young, single and party (although, as a young mom, I loved doing nothing but being with my babies...hated to have to finally go off to work).

Imo..this is the motive.

 

[daisy.faithfull]

Threads on Chloroform:

Chloroform in the trunk of Caseys car: [ame="http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70241"]http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70241[/ame]

All about chloroform #2: http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3334891&highlight=chloroform#post3334891

2009.03.14 Geraldo - Dr. Baden, Slip or Not on Chloroform In Caylee's hair test?: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81438&page=2

From the 2009.03.14, it looks like Dr. Baden made a slip up on Geraldo. He said, "Uh, yea where they found chloroform in the baby's (Caylee's) hair.". Here is the individual post:
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3460439&postcount=1"]http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3460439&postcount=1[/ame]

From the same thread this post mentions that each dose of chloroform lasts about 15 min.: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3460759&postcount=52"]http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3460759&postcount=52[/ame]

But note, regarding that last post, I can't find anything on the web to verify it.

 

[Anais]

I also don't believe the trunk was Zanny. My theory is that Casey was watching Caylee when she was supposed to be "working". I think Casey and Caylee probably drove around and hung out with people during the day or maybe they hung out in parks. Several of Casey's friends were college students who were sometimes home during the day and I recall one of the female friends said that Casey and Caylee would visit her sometimes during the day when she didn't have classes.

Another thing is that Casey claimed that her phony event planning job allowed to her to flexible. She fabricated emails saying that she had to work at night events. She could have claimed that since she worked at night, that she would the days off and she would be home with Caylee. Casey claimed to several people that she could work from home. Annie D. mentioned this her in depo and in the chat transcirpts with Anthony R., Casey was claiming that she working from home.

In the chat transcripts, she mentions working on a document or something and that she needed to email to her boss. She even told Anthony R that she had translate something into Spanish. I think it is possible that her parents and friends believed that she could work from home any time she wanted. Annie D. eventually doubted this.

I work as a technical writer mostly out of my home and some companies do allow people to work of house when needed or sometimes they let people work mostly out of the home. With Casey if I had known her, I would have never believed her work from home claims. To start off, Casey was pretending to work from a Compaq laptop which was really Cindy's computer

To start off, most companies wouldn't use Compaq computers. Compaq/HP computers are rarely used by businesses. Dell is more commonly PC brand among businesses. Also businesses likely would not allow someone to work from their own personal computer, so if Casey was claiming she could from a personal computer that it wouldn't hold water. Companies with work at home employees supply them the computers with the needed software that allows the employees to produce competent work.

I think Casey probably faked days in which she told people she had the days off or she hung with friends who believed her BS.

JennaB awesome post with great points!!! :twocents:

 

[Pink Panther]

ICA probably "watched" Caylee most of the time. It sounds like she was home a lot during the day. Faking leaving for work and returning shortly after. Caylee probably spent many of her days at home with ICA talking, texting, on the computer while she played alone. If not at home, she was probably with ICA shopping or visiting her friends. Don't forget that Caylee met her demise right at the point where she was most likely starting to communicate effectively. (No coincidence in my view.) In fact, I still believe that the "blow up" that likely occured on Father's Day was partly due to something that Caylee inadvertantly communicated to CA.

moo

 

[Mrs G Norris]

^ so do I, I think Cindy grilled Caylee on the way home and got some information out of Caylee, in particular I think Cindy found out that there was no Zanny after questioning Caylee and being met with blank stares.

 

[celticthyme]

For me, one of the biggest mysteries we have yet to definitively solve, is where actually did Casey go / what was she doing when she pretended to go off to work? Shortly before Caylee was killed, George had been unemployed, only newly employed about the time she was discovered "missing." So Casey must have been packing up herself and Caylee and pretending to go off to work. . . . So was Caylee with her then? If not, where was she? I'm of the camp that believes she used OTC meds at times to "babysit." I also think Caylee looks very pale and her eyes glassy in the months before her death. And as some of you have mentioned,Caylee was beginning to understand and talk a lot more. and I think this contributed to Casey's looking up the chloroform and planning her demise. Whatever Casey might have been doing, she could have been going to one of the empty houses, or even Lees during the day. I think George and Cindy watched her a lot after work and at night. But as we know, Cindy was fed up with this plan. That dear child had quite a life before her untimely death. Bless her.

 

[technicalconfusion]

I work as a technical writer mostly out of my home and some companies do allow people to work of house when needed or sometimes they let people work mostly out of the home. With Casey if I had known her, I would have never believed her work from home claims. To start off, Casey was pretending to work from a Compaq laptop which was really Cindy's computer

To start off, most companies wouldn't use Compaq computers. Compaq/HP computers are rarely used by businesses. Dell is more commonly PC brand among businesses. Also businesses likely would not allow someone to work from their own personal computer, so if Casey was claiming she could from a personal computer that it wouldn't hold water. Companies with work at home employees supply them the computers with the needed software that allows the employees to produce competent work.

I worked from home for a webhosting company for a few years. They did not supply me with a computer. I used my own - I mean I didn't tell the company but I used another computer for work only and used a kv switch to my personal computer. The only thing they did supply me with was a phone. They did not use Dell computers in the office. At my first webhosting job, we didn't use Dell at all.

I've looked into other companies where you work as a subcontractor, they don't supply puters either.

Not that I believe ICA worked from home mind you, I just wouldn't base the idea that because she used a compaq, she couldn't have worked from home.

 

[dkatiemom]

I have always felt, in my heart of hearts, that Caylee was in the car, put to sleep by whatever method might have been used, on a night that CA was clubbing or partying and succombed to the heat/medication mixture because CA had a late night and woke up too late the next day. I have lived in Florida and the heat and humidity at times was simply unbearable. I have also been a young person with no responsibility (as I am sure she felt she was), did the party scene for a year or two and remember the rush that friends, alcohol and possibly other things can give someone. The fact that someone has to work the next day becomes unimportant, cerfews become unimportant, and though those things obviously did not apply to CA, responsibility can pretty much fly out the window and it is all too easy for someone to wake in an unexpected place late the next day with a raging headache and the knowledge that they messed up bigtime. I think she got back to wherever her car was and the damage was done. Then comes the cover-up. She's not going to tell anyone, it would reveal her criminally negligent behavior.

I think this precious little girl spent a lot of time in that car.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

ICA probably "watched" Caylee most of the time. It sounds like she was home a lot during the day. Faking leaving for work and returning shortly after. Caylee probably spent many of her days at home with ICA talking, texting, on the computer while she played alone. If not at home, she was probably with ICA shopping or visiting her friends. Don't forget that Caylee met her demise right at the point where she was most likely starting to communicate effectively. (No coincidence in my view.) In fact, I still believe that the "blow up" that likely occured on Father's Day was partly due to something that Caylee inadvertantly communicated to CA.

moo

:rocker:

BBM: I agree ! I have always believed "one" of the possible reasons for the "blow up" was Caylee said something to CA, and CA "confronted" ICA on it ! Of course, there are many other possibilities for the "blow-up"

And I "believe" that is why ICA intentionally used the DUCT TAPE on Caylee ! :cow:

The Duct Tape found on Caylee matched the Duct Tape found in the A's home ... therefore ... I believe that poor little Caylee was duct taped while at the A's home ... then "hidden" in the trunk until ICA came up with a "plan."

Justice is coming soon for you, Caylee.


Of course ... :cow::cow: and :cow:

 

[Anais]

:rocker:

BBM: I agree ! I have always believed "one" of the possible reasons for the "blow up" was Caylee said something to CA, and CA "confronted" ICA on it ! Of course, there are many other possibilities for the "blow-up"

And I "believe" that is why ICA intentionally used the DUCT TAPE on Caylee ! :cow:

The Duct Tape found on Caylee matched the Duct Tape found in the A's home ... therefore ... I believe that poor little Caylee was duct taped while at the A's home ... then "hidden" in the trunk until ICA came up with a "plan."

Justice is coming soon for you, Caylee.


Of course ... :cow::cow: and :cow:

DGC I have always wondered about that myself! At Caylee's age she had to have been putting quite a few sentences together by then. Maybe she was even frightened?!