Who thinks Tommy will succeed in getting his sentence modified?

[dodie20]

I agree--drop his charge down to a misdemeanor and let him go with time served if he can solve the Haleigh case but is not the perp, and I also agree it is very difficult to visualize Tommy as the perpetrator against Haleigh. I will be floored if it is proven that he was the perp.

It's most unfortunate that Tommy tried to sell the Joe-did-it-and-it-was-like-Lake-Placid nonsense last spring. I do believe that search yielding nothing is the sole reason Tommy's sentence on a single low-level trafficking charge was so harsh.

LE wants us to believe the trafficking and Haleigh cases are not related, yet Tommy's sentence says they are joined at the hip.

If Joe didn't do it, then I think it's more than just unfortunate that Tommy tried to sell this story. Was he willing to sit back & let an innocent man take a murder rap? the murder of a child? & I think he WAS willing, because right after he told that story, he was saying that cops needed to get him, & he expected him to be got...so he, himself, could get on with his life. If Joe's not guilty, then I have 0 tolerance for Tommy, & 0 sympathy for him. He's done every bit of this to himself...& if it's not to protect his own hide, or minimize his own involvement, then why? Is he just crazy & without a conscience?

 

[dodie20]

I agree--drop his charge down to a misdemeanor and let him go with time served if he can solve the Haleigh case but is not the perp, and I also agree it is very difficult to visualize Tommy as the perpetrator against Haleigh. I will be floored if it is proven that he was the perp.

It's most unfortunate that Tommy tried to sell the Joe-did-it-and-it-was-like-Lake-Placid nonsense last spring. I do believe that search yielding nothing is the sole reason Tommy's sentence on a single low-level trafficking charge was so harsh.

LE wants us to believe the trafficking and Haleigh cases are not related, yet Tommy's sentence says they are joined at the hip.

Also, (& I'm not picking on your opinion, because I go back & forth with these people), but why is it so hard to picture Tommy as the perp? I CAN see that. Actually, I can see all of these people as murderers. & I don't feel too bad about that thinking, because if they don't like being seen as murderers, they could each tell the truth, & put an end to this mess. So, they must not mind too much. & every one of them has people suspecting him/her.

 

[elle1919]

Tommy Croslin placed himself at 202 Green Lane as early as last August and more recently offered up Lord knows how many different stories and circumstances about the night of February 9th when precious Haleigh went missing.

Those are not the actions of an innocent man. The truth never changes. He placed himself there and described in detail different moments throughout the evening. Exactly what his role is in Haleigh's disappearance remains to be seen but an innocent man does not implicate himself in this way. The same goes for his sister Misty. The two of them are quite a pair and deserve to spend the rest of their time on earth behind bars. I pray there is no modification of any sentence and if there is a God in heaven he will be brought to justice and serve plenty more time for whatever his role was in the disappearance and murder of beautiful Haleigh.

 

[krkrjx]

Also, (& I'm not picking on your opinion, because I go back & forth with these people), but why is it so hard to picture Tommy as the perp? I CAN see that. Actually, I can see all of these people as murderers. & I don't feel too bad about that thinking, because if they don't like being seen as murderers, they could each tell the truth, & put an end to this mess. So, they must not mind too much. & every one of them has people suspecting him/her.

Well, I do not see Tommy as violent. I am not saying it isn't possible because, after all, I do not know him personally. He seems to be a druggie and a perpetrator of crimes against property more than people, IMO.

This is not to say I believe Tommy was not involved in some way, and he could very well be the one who harmed Haleigh. I am just having a hard time figuring out why with all the warnings we heard from LE that the Haleigh case and the drug sting were not related, it seems the sentencing portion is directly related in Tommy's case. Everyone got their minimum mandatory except Tommy and it is probably because his lies cost the county so much in money and man hours. One would think if the search yielded anything, an arrest would have been made by now.

I will sit back and see what happens. If there is no way the judge will entertain a sentence modification, I am going to have to give a bit more consideration to what role Tommy played in Haleigh's demise because I do not believe the drug case and the Haleigh case are unrelated--especially considering Tommy's lies got him a harsher sentence than all the others sentenced to date.

If Misty also gets more than her mandatory minimum, we will know that the SA seriously considers both as involved. If she gets her minimum, it may indicate the SA believes Tommy to be more involved.

Oh, wait...the cases aren't related, so....:dance:

 

[dodie20]

Well, I do not see Tommy as violent. I am not saying it isn't possible because, after all, I do not know him personally. He seems to be a druggie and a perpetrator of crimes against property more than people, IMO.

This is not to say I believe Tommy was not involved in some way, and he could very well be the one who harmed Haleigh. I am just having a hard time figuring out why with all the warnings we heard from LE that the Haleigh case and the drug sting were not related, it seems the sentencing portion is directly related in Tommy's case. Everyone got their minimum mandatory except Tommy and it is probably because his lies cost the county so much in money and man hours. One would think if the search yielded anything, an arrest would have been made by now.

I will sit back and see what happens. If there is no way the judge will entertain a sentence modification, I am going to have to give a bit more consideration to what role Tommy played in Haleigh's demise because I do not believe the drug case and the Haleigh case are unrelated--especially considering Tommy's lies got him a harsher sentence than all the others sentenced to date.

If Misty also gets more than her mandatory minimum, we will know that the SA seriously considers both as involved. If she gets her minimum, it may indicate the SA believes Tommy to be more involved.

Oh, wait...the cases aren't related, so....:dance:

I don't guess these cases have ever been separate-from the set-up on. Tommy being called uncooperative & a liar, and & then named a suspect prove that. & then Ron getting his deal, based on Haleigh cooperation, sealed it. Unless Misty's accusations fly, I fully expect her to be called uncooperative, & a liar, & then named a suspect. But for the life of me, I can't imagine a scenario, where they both killed Haleigh. & just for the record...even though I think both Tommy & Misty have asked for this, I don't think it should be legal for LE to label somebody a murder suspect, in drug court, & not back it up with proof. That's obviously inflammmatory. That might be Tommy's best defense, right now, but if Werter has the nerve to go there, they'd better be prepared to hear the damage.

 

[krkrjx]

I don't guess these cases have ever been separate-from the set-up on. Tommy being called uncooperative & a liar, and & then named a suspect prove that. & then Ron getting his deal, based on Haleigh cooperation, sealed it. Unless Misty's accusations fly, I fully expect her to be called uncooperative, & a liar, & then named a suspect. But for the life of me, I can't imagine a scenario, where they both killed Haleigh. & just for the record...even though I think both Tommy & Misty have asked for this, I don't think it should be legal for LE to label somebody a murder suspect, in drug court, & not back it up with proof. That's obviously inflammmatory. That might be Tommy's best defense, right now, but if Werter has the nerve to go there, they'd better be prepared to hear the damage.

I agree with the bolded part. The SA would be wrong to bring up Tommy being suspected in another felony during his drug sentencing. However, I do believe it was said in response to Werter's spiel about Tommy having been so cooperative with LE about Haleigh. Clearly he was not, and I believe the SA was just trying to hammer that fact home.

 

[dodie20]

LE still willing to listen to Misty at this late point, indicates a few things, IMO. In her LDT's, she didn't implicate herself much...when she backed Tommy's version of the Joe story, HER input didn't lead to any evidence...& LE is strongly suspecting Tommy & they need her to verify some information. Now, I could be way off, but if her tests pointed to her guilt, what's the problem? Are they just insistent on a body, to move forward? If her Joe input had led to evidence, then LE would be on her like white on rice, because they'd know for sure that she was there & involved. But, it seems that they just want answers. What I wonder about the Joe story is this...Misty claimed that Tommy showed her the dump site. So, is that true, or is that a part of the story they concocted, while in jail? Or did Tommy show her where HE had dumped something? It makes me wonder how long Tommy has been spinning this tale.

 

[krkrjx]

All I can say is I have seen many situations that appeared to be stagnant and then all of a sudden, out of the blue, things started moving along. And quickly sometimes.

I hope that is going to happen now for Haleigh. Wouldn't it be great if Misty has finally told the truth and Tommy realizes the gig is up and that he has no choice but to also tell whatever he knows?

I doubt Fields would allow Misty to take a LDT now but if he really believes in her, he should have no problem with it. And I hope she does take one, or has already. I still think it is not out of the realm of possibility that Misty could pass a LDT. She never has to date because she has been withholding information, and that probably stressed her enough for a negative response even if she answered truthfully. Stress can mess up your bio rhythms and sometimes people will fail on some questions even if they answer truthfully. And the expectation that Misty could never pass a LDT does not mean it couldn't happen.

As for timing, though...IMO this is a very bad time for Tommy to be having this hearing. Maybe Misty is lying again, but now that she has mentioned Tommy's name I bet the SA's ears are perked in her direction. And with that all those in the judicial system might not have warm feelings for Tommy when he shows his face in court on Monday.

I would just like to see this all come to an end now. They are headed to prison; they can't get anywhere continuing to lie or continuing to withhold. IF they do not tell the truth now, I will have to seriously consider that they are never going to talk...because they were cohorts in a crime that resulted in Haleigh's demise.

And for the record, I consider the acts involved in covering up to be just as serious as any other part of the crime. It may not be as serious legally, but it certainly is morally. The cover-up was willful and planned, so even if Haleigh's demise was not intentional, those responsible for the cover-up are just as despicable as the actual perp(s), IMO.

 

[suspicious1]

All I can say is I have seen many situations that appeared to be stagnant and then all of a sudden, out of the blue, things started moving along. And quickly sometimes.

I hope that is going to happen now for Haleigh. Wouldn't it be great if Misty has finally told the truth and Tommy realizes the gig is up and that he has no choice but to also tell whatever he knows?

I doubt Fields would allow Misty to take a LDT now but if he really believes in her, he should have no problem with it. And I hope she does take one, or has already. I still think it is not out of the realm of possibility that Misty could pass a LDT. She never has to date because she has been withholding information, and that probably stressed her enough for a negative response even if she answered truthfully. Stress can mess up your bio rhythms and sometimes people will fail on some questions even if they answer truthfully. And the expectation that Misty could never pass a LDT does not mean it couldn't happen.

As for timing, though...IMO this is a very bad time for Tommy to be having this hearing. Maybe Misty is lying again, but now that she has mentioned Tommy's name I bet the SA's ears are perked in her direction. And with that all those in the judicial system might not have warm feelings for Tommy when he shows his face in court on Monday.

I would just like to see this all come to an end now. They are headed to prison; they can't get anywhere continuing to lie or continuing to withhold. IF they do not tell the truth now, I will have to seriously consider that they are never going to talk...because they were cohorts in a crime that resulted in Haleigh's demise.

And for the record, I consider the acts involved in covering up to be just as serious as any other part of the crime. It may not be as serious legally, but it certainly is morally. The cover-up was willful and planned, so even if Haleigh's demise was not intentional, those responsible for the cover-up are just as despicable as the actual perp(s), IMO.

Absolutely...the thanks button was not enough.

and just to add....regardless of who was involved...whether it be the actual crime or the coverup, withholding information......may they all burn....really.

 

[dodie20]

Well, I do not see Tommy as violent. I am not saying it isn't possible because, after all, I do not know him personally. He seems to be a druggie and a perpetrator of crimes against property more than people, IMO.

This is not to say I believe Tommy was not involved in some way, and he could very well be the one who harmed Haleigh. I am just having a hard time figuring out why with all the warnings we heard from LE that the Haleigh case and the drug sting were not related, it seems the sentencing portion is directly related in Tommy's case. Everyone got their minimum mandatory except Tommy and it is probably because his lies cost the county so much in money and man hours. One would think if the search yielded anything, an arrest would have been made by now.

I will sit back and see what happens. If there is no way the judge will entertain a sentence modification, I am going to have to give a bit more consideration to what role Tommy played in Haleigh's demise because I do not believe the drug case and the Haleigh case are unrelated--especially considering Tommy's lies got him a harsher sentence than all the others sentenced to date.

If Misty also gets more than her mandatory minimum, we will know that the SA seriously considers both as involved. If she gets her minimum, it may indicate the SA believes Tommy to be more involved.

Oh, wait...the cases aren't related, so....:dance:

as for Tommy not being violent...he physically fought with Ron, he physically fought with his own dad, & there was some kind of domestic charge, involving Lindsey, against him. & Misty has claimed that he messed with her. So, Tommy being violent, seems like a real possibility.

 

[dodie20]

I'm remembering Tommy tell his dad? Lindsey? that Misty thought she was helping him, but she wasn't, so she needed to keep his name out of her mouth. This was during the time that she ratted him out for the burglaries. If those 2 were in on this together, why would Tommy have said that? Why would she be ratting him out for anything? & why did she point at him, in the beginning? Either Misty wasn't in on this, or she's so dumb, she's smart. I'm so confused.

 

[suspicious1]

I'm remembering Tommy tell his dad? Lindsey? that Misty thought she was helping him, but she wasn't, so she needed to keep his name out of her mouth. This was during the time that she ratted him out for the burglaries. If those 2 were in on this together, why would Tommy have said that? Why would she be ratting him out for anything? & why did she point at him, in the beginning? Either Misty wasn't in on this, or she's so dumb, she's smart. I'm so confused.

I remember that too Dodie...I was just as confused by what he said...how could he perceive what Misty was doing to him (ratting him out) as helping him? Your sister tells LE about past crimes and that's helping you? How? Was Misty trying to get LE to lean more on Tommy then? It just gives me the feeling that Misty may have been out of the loop and she doesn't know as much as Tommy, whether she claims to be the last one to see Haleigh or not. When I think about the phone call that LE questioned, it was one between Ron and Tommy...and there were conflicting stories as to what the phone call was about. What if all of this as to do with Ron and Tommy?? Ron kept quiet for a very long time and IMO, he expected the Croslins to do the same...but Ron had to talk to get his plea deal....IMO, not only would Misty be confronted with the "valuable infornation" Ron offered to SA....I would assume Tommy would be too. That's probably why they needed Tommy back so early for his Oct.4th hearing...they needed time to question him further. I think the wheels are turning now but LE needed something from Ron to get the ball rolling.

JMO of course

 

[dodie20]

I had the suspicion at the time, that Misty told cops something that inadvertantly connected him to the Haleigh case. I can't figure out why he'd say that about helping him, unless she said something like, 'Tommy's not a a killer, he's just a petty thief, & this is how he does it' & then explained how he propped doors. But even Misty, I think, would've noticed the significance. But him saying that about helping him, made me think that he was trying real hard to not pizz her off, even though his anger was justified. (sort of, I guess).

 

[MADJGNLAW]

this is assuming that Tommy is innocent in the Haleigh case...he should be truthful & back up whatever he says, & then I think he should gratefully, go do his 15 years. He deserves more than that just for the Joe story & search. But if he's guilty in the Haleigh case, then I think him continually using her in an attempt to lighten his drug sentence, will backfire & be used against him at a later date. I don't know if he can, but I'd like to see the judge modify his sentence & give him the original 30. I've had enough of this dude.

I agree that Tommy should serve 30yrs if the river search was bogus...I now wonder if TN/GGMS retrieved the riffle/other before LE got to search the area? I know this is going O/T, but what if that is what Tommy and Misty told LE they would find at the river and the reason LE didn't find it is because someone else got to some evidence first? Just a thought.


What ever happens today I pray that Justice will prevail for Haleigh, I can care less about anyone who is holding information back to save their own butt. Look at RC, he gave LE info about his missing/dead daughter so he can get a lighter sentence and it worked...I don't get it..if anyone should of had the book thrown at them is Ron for starters.. :cow:

 

[suspicious1]

I agree that Tommy should serve 30yrs if the river search was bogus...I now wonder if TN/GGMS retrieved the riffle/other before LE got to search the area? I know this is going O/T, but what if that is what Tommy and Misty told LE they would find at the river and the reason LE didn't find it is because someone else got to some evidence first? Just a thought.


What ever happens today I pray that Justice will prevail for Haleigh, I can care less about anyone who is holding information back to save their own butt. Look at RC, he gave LE info about his missing/dead daughter so he can get a lighter sentence and it worked...I don't get it..if anyone should of had the book thrown at them is Ron for starters.. :cow:

Madj, when I read your post it made me think about something..Tommy is the one who led LE to the Mondex and to the dock....and at both of these searches Teresa or GMSykes or both showed up....IMO, Teresa and GMSykes did not show up at all the searches but definitely the two initiated by Tommy. What could be the connection? sorry for the OT.

 

[Nonni Brenda]

Madj, when I read your post it made me think about something..Tommy is the one who led LE to the Mondex and to the dock....and at both of these searches Teresa or GMSykes or both showed up....IMO, Teresa and GMSykes did not show up at all the searches but definitely the two initiated by Tommy. What could be the connection? sorry for the OT.

Good morning Suspicious, What a great observation! My guess is that they know RC and ToC are involved together, and they wanted to beat LE there for one or both of two things: To remove any evidence that would implicate RC, and/or to place evidence that would definitely prove ToC's involvement/guilt. Glad you picked up on that!:clap:

 

[lonetraveler]

What time is Tommy expected to be in court for the hearing for sentence modification? I get them mixed up. Is it 1:30 pm. Thanks anyone who can lead me by the hand..........:angel:

 

[mommyofthreekidz5]

What time is Tommy expected to be in court for the hearing for sentence modification? I get them mixed up. Is it 1:30 pm. Thanks anyone who can lead me by the hand..........:angel:

per Levi's fb, its at 3:00 EST .

 

[lonetraveler]

per Levi's fb, its at 3:00 EST .

Thank you so much. I'll be watching and waiting. Hoping that if he gets the modification, it could be a sign that he has come forth with the truth.

 

[justus4all]

Good morning Suspicious, What a great observation! My guess is that they know RC and ToC are involved together, and they wanted to beat LE there for one or both of two things: To remove any evidence that would implicate RC, and/or to place evidence that would definitely prove ToC's involvement/guilt. Glad you picked up on that!:clap:

BBM..

I guess I must have missed something here...WHO TOLD them that those areas were going to be searched ahead of time???? WHO would KNOW ahead of time to warn them?

And also, which one of them said...."of course, we didn't find anything??? Why make that statement....at all...Were they asked if they found anything?

thanks in advance...