Who was George Brody?

[Julessleuther]

Respectfully, we are still not 100% certain he is the same George Brody, who could be the other George Brody with the wife of Margaret, who lived in CA. I know this theory is a stretch, but his circumstances were not normal. As far as the German accent, my grandfather was from Poland, and had a VERY slight accent, but he also lived in NY City, and picked up alittle bit of that accent as well, so his accent was not necessarily decernable. I also have a great aunt from Germany, who has an unusual accent that is not really German, not east coast (where she has lived the last 45 yrs)--I do not know how to explain except to say that she sounds very "proper" even though she did not grow up with a "proper" life style. If GB "were" a criminal, I am guessing he would try harder than most to "lose" his accent.

I am looking for a listing of war criminals who were never apprehended--I did find one:

Heinrich Muller--similar nose and ears, birthdate near what we believe GB to have...
http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/holoprelude/muller.html

Hi Julessleuther, if the GB of 1941 article is thee same GB in Oakland voter elections list, he was in Oakland in the WWII period.. also I believe that a german people cannot speak very well the english language, without german accent... Annasmom think that he was of USA... just my suggestion, bye, raf

 

[Annasmom]

In light of the other bizzare behavior to me, this is both interesting and also curious...


Actually, when I joined the forum, I thought he had assumed someone else's identity and all the references to being a boxer, having a well-to-do family, etc. were false. In my opinion, it is possible that we are on the wrong track checking boxing records, a family from the East (of the USA?) etc.

I could be wrong, of course.

In response to the last several posts: As a musician, I have a really good ear for languages and accents, and there was never once the slightest indication that GB was anything other than a person whose first (and probably only) language was American English. Also, if he was born in 1905, wouldn't he have been too old to be drafted in WWII? Clinical paranoia is the most likely reason for all his secrecy. I don't know if he assumed someone else's identity, but I do think most of the information we were given such as a background in boxing, politics, wealthy family, etc., was fabricated. More likely, he liked to listen to boxing matches on the radio, formed political opinions from reading the newspaper. He had no indication of a formal education beyond being able to read and write, and I do not believe he came from a wealthy family. I do think he was nuts. I also think he was evil.

 

[Julessleuther]

Ok, thank you for letting me know, I will not waste time looking in a silly direction! So, another area I at was the social security act and when it was implemented. If he (GB) worked anytime after early to mid 1930's, he SHOULD have a social security number. Where is it, why did he never collect benefits, or did he never, ever work, or work only under the table?

In response to the last several posts: As a musician, I have a really good ear for languages and accents, and there was never once the slightest indication that GB was anything other than a person whose first (and probably only) language was American English. Also, if he was born in 1905, wouldn't he have been too old to be drafted in WWII? Clinical paranoia is the most likely reason for all his secrecy. I don't know if he assumed someone else's identity, but I do think most of the information we were given such as a background in boxing, politics, wealthy family, etc., was fabricated. More likely, he liked to listen to boxing matches on the radio, formed political opinions from reading the newspaper. He had no indication of a formal education beyond being able to read and write, and I do not believe he came from a wealthy family. I do think he was nuts. I also think he was evil.

 

[raf]

Also, if he was born in 1905, wouldn't he have been too old to be drafted in WWII?

Hi Annasmom, no, because the:

U.S. World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942 it are enlisted also men born from 1873 ( the more olds)
and it is only a registration, a enlistment, they no really made the WWII...

ditto for
U.S. World War II Army Enlistment Records, 1938-1946
( I found also some man enlisted and born in 1867!!!)
so our GB must be in this 2 databases, but it is not listed nobody GB born abt in 1905 and resident in Oakland, Alameda, CA.... so GB name could be false, or, better, it only used for civil life....
best regards,
raf

I found only this strange record:
Field Title Value Meaning
ARMY SERIAL NUMBER 09120160 09120160
NAME #E#BOVR#GEORGE#A######## #E#BOVR#GEORGE#A########
RESIDENCE: STATE 91 CALIFORNIA
RESIDENCE: COUNTY 001 ALAMEDA
PLACE OF ENLISTMENT 9134 HAMILTON FLD CALIFORNIA
DATE OF ENLISTMENT DAY 05 05
DATE OF ENLISTMENT MONTH 04 04
DATE OF ENLISTMENT YEAR 41 41
GRADE: ALPHA DESIGNATION PVT# Private
GRADE: CODE 8 Private
BRANCH: ALPHA DESIGNATION 1C# Undefined Code
BRANCH: CODE 20 Air Corps
FIELD USE AS DESIRED # #
TERM OF ENLISTMENT 0 Undefined Code
LONGEVITY ### ###
SOURCE OF ARMY PERSONNEL # Undefined Code
NATIVITY 90 Undefined Code
YEAR OF BIRTH 00 00
RACE AND CITIZENSHIP # Undefined Code
EDUCATION 0 Grammar school
CIVILIAN OCCUPATION 001 Accountants and auditors
MARITAL STATUS 0 Undefined Code
COMPONENT OF THE ARMY 0 Undefined Code
CARD NUMBER # #
BOX NUMBER 0301 0301
FILM REEL NUMBER 3.23# 3.23#

and abt the strange surname with # this note:
NARA Notes: NARA has represented blank characters in this field with the # character. Note that because of the multi-stage conversion process, blanks (and therefore #) may appear in the first character or anywhere within a name, as well as appear as separators between the name field components (see Agency Comments for composition of Name field). For example, although there are over 80,000 SMITHs in the file, there are also 390 records for the name #MITH are in this file; 82 records with S#ITH; 65 records with SM#TH; 132 records with SMI#h, and 60 records with SMIT##. Therefore, researchers may need to perform multiple searches to identify specific names given that a blank (and therefore #) may appear at any point in a given name. AAD treats the # in the NAME field as a word separator. Therefore, if you search for SM#ITH you will retrieve records that contain SM and ITH, but not necessarily separated by a single # or in the same order. Finally, note that AAD does not allow users to search for names based on their position in the name field. Therefore, searches for SMITH will return all names containing the word SMITH, such as GOLDSMITH, SMITHERS, SMITHSON, as well as SMITH as a first name.

 

[birdie74]

There's always the chance that GB's mysterious past was because he was avoiding WWII registration. We know that GW had a legal fight to avoid miltary service, so he may have been attracted to someone who had a similar background or similar views.

 

[Julessleuther]

Annasmom--

In your opinion, would you say whether GB had communist thinking theories? The reason I ask is because I was reading about J Robert Oppenheimer ( I was watching a program on tv about him and decided to google him). Oppenheimer got his start at Berkeley in the 1920-30's, where there was a big communist thinking community. Perhaps that is why he was protesting?

EDIT:
Ok...I just googled GB and communist, and found a few posts from right here at websleuths from Dec 2006, where Doogie mentions that GW sister was the president of the local socialist workers party!!!

Maybe that is what he was doing in Berkeley?

 

[raf]

hoping.. making not a duplicate post.. I found this record of 1930 census:

1930 United States Federal Census about Georg A Brody
Name: Georg A Brody
Home in 1930: Jersey City, Hudson, New Jersey
Age: 22

Estimated Birth Year: abt 1908
Birthplace: New York
Relation to Head of House: Roomer
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace:
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Household Members: Name Age
Harriet L Perrine
50
Georg A Brody
22
Loris S Provost
68


the marital status: widower.... strange.. no age of first marriage.... I believe is a error... no high school.... I cannot find this GAB in other censuses.....
also I found not the SSDI abt this person.....
any suggestion is appreciated....
regards,
raf

 

[Annasmom]

Annasmom--

In your opinion, would you say whether GB had communist thinking theories? The reason I ask is because I was reading about J Robert Oppenheimer ( I was watching a program on tv about him and decided to google him). Oppenheimer got his start at Berkeley in the 1920-30's, where there was a big communist thinking community. Perhaps that is why he was protesting?

I don't believe GB was affiliated with any political group or organization at all. He was too much a loner. However, he may have belonged to a labor union (though we have not been able to find a SSN for him) Since there was a hotel worker's strike going on at roughly the time that newspaper story about him appeared, he may have been somehow involved in that.

 

[momto3kids]

Has anyone done the numerology? I have tried to do it with Anna's name including Eifee since GB wanted it to add to '27', but combined with her birth date I get '26'

I have not done this before, but used a guide off a website. I feel if we can figure out what he used to get a 27 or if he did get a 27 for Anna then we might get an idea what he had for a name and spelling. I feel he used Anna Christian Eifee Waters since he demanded it changed.

Has anyone tried to figure out what he used? Only name or name + birthday.

 

[birdie74]

Many have tried to figure out the numerology with different systems, but I don't think anyone came up with a way for it to add up to 27. It would be great if you could. Would you try it without Christian? Since GB wasn't a Christian himself, I wonder if he wanted to use Eifee to replace Christian, not be added to it.

 

[Annasmom]

Many have tried to figure out the numerology with different systems, but I don't think anyone came up with a way for it to add up to 27. It would be great if you could. Would you try it without Christian? Since GB wasn't a Christian himself, I wonder if he wanted to use Eifee to replace Christian, not be added to it.

No, it was very clear that the name he believed added up to a "27" was Anna Christian Eifee Waters. I had refused to change the name, so GW and GB added the "Eifee" to the name I had chosen, after I rejected their first choice, Christiana Benedo Waters. In GB's system of numerology (which he could well have made up, for all I know) each of these names added up to a "27".

 

[birdie74]

Ok, thank you for clarifying that again. I know you had posted it before.

 

[raf]

Searching GB in California, before of 1936 (Oakland), I found a article; it is impossible to say if the Brody mentioned in the article is our bad guy, but from behavior ... and because GB seeming to me a theatre/movies lover, I wish post it here:
LOS ANGELES 18 Oct 1932

all best,
raf

 

[SideKick]

Searching GB in California, before of 1936 (Oakland), I found a article; it is impossible to say if the Brody mentioned in the article is our bad guy, but from behavior ... and because GB seeming to me a theatre/movies lover, I wish post it here:
LOS ANGELES 18 Oct 1932

all best,
raf

"CHARMING LITTLE GUY".. uhmm I wonder.

 

[raf]

the preferences are subjective... maybe for this Elsie Janis this Brody was chairming, and maybe in the youth, GB was a little better...
raf

 

[Cubby]

I'm amazed you find this stuff raf, WOW! This sounds like our Brody... a sheister.. and heisting diamond rings in his younger years.

Now how to go about getting more info on this Brody. LA in 1932? Possible.

 

[raf]

I'm amazed you find this stuff raf, WOW! This sounds like our Brody... a sheister.. and heisting diamond rings in his younger years.

Now how to go about getting more info on this Brody. LA in 1932? Possible.

Hi Cubby, I made a very extensive search, and frankly, by search, I assume that: or the first name, or the surname, (or both, maybe) of our bad guy, GB, well they are no true....

I believe that he used the name of George Brody just around 1935/6;

before other.... also in the police insurance, the precise statement that the insurance, however in case of GW death, it would have paid to man of the photo (GB) let me think that the data was no true, or name or birthdate, and, better, both....
so GB name is a alias, completely or in part, but what I think sure that as GB he was in Oakland in 1936...


studying the strategies of swindlers ( I knew someone in my life, for bad luck), he used the more commons....

the phrase on picture ( by Marguerite Kilroy); the 2 tickets sent to Annasmom, for "A Midsummer Night's Dream" if I remember well, and other similar data, let me think that GB had a little culture in this way....

also the posture without glass, well show a man with self satisfaction in front a camera....

I believe that the better way for the search is to find the policy report abt the fact in 1941 article, maybe we can extrapolate some other little info...

normally a swindler, with little work will, it remain always connected with some
true data abt him identity... the birthdate is false, sure the birthyear, and maybe also the month, because he seeming to me a Virgin and not a Leo; the name: a big problem...
With certainty, all here, we can say that in USA a man with its data, it was never born....

I posted the article abt lost diamond, because seeming to me a bit interesting, by behavior of this Brody, and some other little input, because from what I understood of GB, for me he was a swindler...
all best, raf

 

[Annasmom]

studying the strategies of swindlers ( I knew someone in my life, for bad luck), he used the more commons....

the phrase on picture ( by Marguerite Kilroy); the 2 tickets sent to Annasmom, for "A Midsummer Night's Dream" if I remember well, and other similar data, let me think that GB had a little culture in this way....
also the posture without glass, well show a man with self satisfaction in front a camera....

Raf, I am so amazed by your research! One very small correction, however: The tickets to "A Midsummer Night's Dream" did not come from Brody, but rather from a friend with the same FIRST name who helped us search and who with his wife stayed at the house with us the first week to answer the telephone and get meals together.

Thank you SO MUCH for all the time and thought you have put into this search.

 

[SideKick]

The night of the argument regarding the lost ring, Semple, a Pasadina millionaire was listed.

On Veromi.com there is a R. H. Semple listed in Pacific Grove CA age 89 and another one age 91 in Los Altos.. He apparently was a millionaire, he maybe listed on the net but so far I have not found anything on him.

George brought Francis J. Vehaeren with him to the party, I hope this is the correct spelling of him. Yet to find anything on Veromi for this last name.. still searching who knew Brody.

 

[SideKick]

The night of the argument regarding the lost ring, Semple, a Pasadina millionaire was listed.

On Veromi.com there is a R. H. Semple listed in Pacific Grove CA age 89 and another one age 91 in Los Altos.. He apparently was a millionaire, he maybe listed on the net but so far I have not found anything on him.

George brought Francis J. Vehaeren with him to the party, I hope this is the correct spelling of him. Yet to find anything on Veromi for this last name.. still searching who knew Brody.

---Anyone have a subscription to the news to the L.A. Times Archive? There is another news piece dated Oct. 18, 1932 headlining: SLANDER TRIAL INVOLVES FETE 1932 R.H. Semple googled News.


"Whether a remark assertedly made by R. H. Semple, wealthy retired chemical engineer, to Francis J. Verhaeren, former New York hotel man, following the loss of a valuable diamond ring at a Domino Club dinner graced by the elite in motion-picture and theatrical life,..." Wondering if Brody maybe listed in the article. Sorry I do not have a subscription.