Why BOTH Garrote & Head Bash?

[txsvicki]

I've wondered about the mucus on the right cheek, and wondered how it didn't get rubbed off with the turning over then turning back onto her back, and moving her. JonBenet was alive when strangled, so I wondered if she may have snorted while placed onto her back in those few minutes strangling takes to cause brain death and stop the heart. Maybe it just drained out with the head cocked to the right, but it seems like there would be more transferred to blanket and floor if JonBenet couldn't swallow or clear her throat. If she snorted or tried to cough with the cord around the neck whoever did it would have known she was alive.

 

[Mendara]

I have always imagined this:

PR knew JBR was being molested by someone or she suspected it. I think PR was the type of person who would ignore these signs for image purposes. I think she turned her cheek to a lot of things. I think JBR was neglected in every sense of the word and that the image of a perfect family was false. I think they came home that night and JBR was hungry this may have infuriated PR but she gave her pineapple. I think she put her to bed and perhaps her father was the one molesting her or her brother and the bed wetting was a direct cause of that as well as the pooping in the bed. I think PR found out about this that night either confronted or she saw, I think she was upset and the blow to head was done by her after JBR wet her bed again, out of anger she was hit. She could have called an abulance, but that meant her perfect mother image would be shattered for hitting JBR. Chaos about what to do developed and then perhaps the molestation made itself clear at that point they had to cover up both the blow and the molestation and the plan came to be. What bothers me so much about this, is how two people can carry this secret for so long, but I read the book "Miss America By Day" she was molested and raped by her father until she was 21. He was upstanding and a wonderful man, in front of others he was a loving father, the mother was the picture of perfection.

His secret was something he and his wife held onto and denied for years, even when confronted by his daughter he would have rather killed her and himself than admit this and he almost did. He did not love his daughter although it went agains human nature.

It is possible that the Ramseys by all means did this and held this secret. JBR didn't seem like a happy child.

Now if an intruder did this, he would have committed a similar crime over the years or told someone about his crime, it was too perfect of a crime to not boast.

If the Ramseys did it, it will be a secret forever as the best kept secret between two people is kept if one is dead.

*Edited to add - I have always thought it was really convinient for JR to say he took a sleeping pill and went right to sleep. That to me is an indicator that he wanted LE to know he was dead asleep, not just asleep, but pill asleep and that would excuse him not hearing anything at all, but also he thought it gave him an alibi of not being a part of anything that night.

MO - maybe one day Burke will end this.

 

[UKGuy]

UKGuy,
I am a bit confused by the the content of the bolded section which I did for reference.
It seems you are saying that JB was unconscious then she was hit on the head?
That doesnt register with me.
Please enlighten me. Thanks.

Sandstorm,
Why should it not register. The order of events suggests that there were three episodes.

I'm proposing that there were four episodes. Everyone thinks there were only three since this what the staging appears to reveal, i.e. sexual assault, head injury, and ligature asphyxiation. Also RDI theories that encompass the three event theory really never explain the head injury, its usually an accident, since well what else could it be?

Episode One:
BR sexually assaults JonBenet.

Episode Two:
BR restrains JonBenet by the neck, i.e. by arm-lock, whatever, since JonBenet wants to leave or scream, he holds too long, she falls into coma, as a result of her vagus nerve being compressed.

Episode Three:
JR recognises JonBenet is critically injured, a visit to hospital will reveal chronic and acute sexual assaults, so he and/or PR decide to stage her death. So JonBenet is whacked on the head, as she lay on her bed, this fails both visually and mortally, JonBenet is still breathing.

Episode: Four
So after a period of thought it is decided JonBenet should be ligature asphyxiated. Cleaned up, redressed, i.e. size-12's, longjohns etc. Then taken down to the basement. Whilst in the basement, PR say, adds the paintbrush handle to dramatise JonBenet's cause of death.

The staging successfully hides the first episode for most people since the other injuries are sufficient to explain her cause of death, so most theories only employ the latter three episodes.

I've left out lots of detail, so to emphasise the order of assumed events.

Thats why conceptually I like to split the crime-scene in two, i.e. an upstairs and a downstairs, the latter location staging and the former location where the crimes took place?

Although possibly not 100% correct in fact, its helpful for getting a handle on the general RDI theory.


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[Chelly]

Sandstorm,
Why should it not register. The order of events suggests that there were three episodes.

I'm proposing that there were four episodes. Everyone thinks there were only three since this what the staging appears to reveal, i.e. sexual assault, head injury, and ligature asphyxiation. Also RDI theories that encompass the three event theory really never explain the head injury, its usually an accident, since well what else could it be?

Episode One:
BR sexually assaults JonBenet.

Episode Two:
BR restrains JonBenet by the neck, i.e. by arm-lock, whatever, since JonBenet wants to leave or scream, he holds too long, she falls into coma, as a result of her vagus nerve being compressed.

Episode Three:
JR recognises JonBenet is critically injured, a visit to hospital will reveal chronic and acute sexual assaults, so he and/or PR decide to stage her death. So JonBenet is whacked on the head, as she lay on her bed, this fails both visually and mortally, JonBenet is still breathing.

Episode: Four
So after a period of thought it is decided JonBenet should be ligature asphyxiated. Cleaned up, redressed, i.e. size-12's, longjohns etc. Then taken down to the basement. Whilst in the basement, PR say, adds the paintbrush handle to dramatise JonBenet's cause of death.

The staging successfully hides the first episode for most people since the other injuries are sufficient to explain her cause of death, so most theories only employ the latter three episodes.

I've left out lots of detail, so to emphasise the order of assumed events.

Thats why conceptually I like to split the crime-scene in two, i.e. an upstairs and a downstairs, the latter location staging and the former location where the crimes took place?

Although possibly not 100% correct in fact, its helpful for getting a handle on the general RDI theory.


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UKGuy,
I have always liked your theory. However Episode Three makes me wonder why they didn't just whack her on the head another time or two to finish the deed.

 

[txsvicki]

Since the faint violet bruise on JonBenet's labia was the size of a finger, I think an attempted sexual assault or attempt to apply some cream to the inner area took place first.

 

[DeeDee249]

I've wondered about the mucus on the right cheek, and wondered how it didn't get rubbed off with the turning over then turning back onto her back, and moving her. JonBenet was alive when strangled, so I wondered if she may have snorted while placed onto her back in those few minutes strangling takes to cause brain death and stop the heart. Maybe it just drained out with the head cocked to the right, but it seems like there would be more transferred to blanket and floor if JonBenet couldn't swallow or clear her throat. If she snorted or tried to cough with the cord around the neck whoever did it would have known she was alive.

I had read that the stain on her cheek was vomit. There was tan mucous in her nostrils. There may have been mucous mixed in with the stain on her cheek. The whack on the head, done when she was alive (or else there would have been no narrowing/flattening of the sulci and gyri) was severe enough to cause convulsing, and that can cause vomiting. This isn't the same as vomiting the entire stomach contents, as in food poisoning or virus, but a small amount that is mostly mucus would seep out. There is a strong possibility that she was still alive (though barely) when she was placed on her back in the wine cellar- and unconscious. Her head would have naturally cocked to the side and whatever was in her mouth, such as the remnants of mucous/vomit would have seeped out as she lay there. Obviously this is what happened because the cheek stain and stain on her sleeve are consistent with her head cocked to the right with NO movement after that.

 

[UKGuy]

UKGuy,
I have always liked your theory. However Episode Three makes me wonder why they didn't just whack her on the head another time or two to finish the deed.

Chelly,
That time gap between head injury and ligature asphyxiation probably had something to do with it.

Possibly they thought she was dead, so proceeeded with some staging then realized a while later she was still alive?

Maybe they saw marks on Jonbenet's neck so decided to use a ligature, it looks like at each episode they amended stuff from the previous episode.

I think they simply became more forensically aware, so declined any more head bashing in case there was blood spatter etc.

Consider the application of the paintbrush handle or even if it was used to injure JonBenet internally, certainly not in the script when she was bashed on the head, regardless of the rationale.

The question here is was JonBenet moved to the basement, then the wine-cellar, with the latter an ad-hoc tweek, with the ransom note following as they realize they need some reason for Jonbenet moving from her bedroom to the wine-cellar.

At each point you could suggest alternatives, but it does appear to be a linear flow of events, if you accept the size-12's were on JonBenet prior to her death?

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[DeDee]

BBM

An interesting description of a garrotte that kind of looks like what was used on JB:

The "Crusher"

"The Garrotte. Thugs in India have long been known for their method of strangling, called garrotting. It can be executed with a rope, strong cord or a piece of twisted cloth about three feet long with a noose in one end. This is a garrotte. Properly applied, it produces a deadly, silent strangle.

Slip the noose over the forefinger of the right hand so that the loop lies down across the palm toward the little finger. Close the right hand and pick up the free end of the cord with the left hand, so that the thumb and fingers are on the inner side of the cord and the end is even with the little finger. Approach the victim from the rear and, opening the right hand, throw the loop over his head with the left. Use the left hand to draw the noose through the right hand until it is nearly taut about the neck. Then close the right hand about the noose at the back of the victim’s neck and twist as you would in applying a tourniquet. With your hand against the back of his neck and your right arm stiff, the victim is held at arm’s length and is unable to free himself from the strangling cord or to reach his attacker. A hard pull to the rear at this point will make the victim fall backward and cause his chin to fold down over the cord, thus adding his own body weight to the pressure of the strangle." ~Col. Rex Applegate, Kill or Get Killed

The illustration did not show but you can find it at :http://www.donrearic.com/thegarrotte.html

In the illustration above you can see the finishing position of what Applegate describes. The right hand is INSIDE the loop, when the loop is pulled tight around the neck and your hand, a fist is made with the open hand then the fist is cranked counterclockwise. Much like a stick in a tourniquet. The palm is open and oriented UP, then closed into a fist and oriented DOWN.

This looked very interesting to me.

The Crusher graphic is terrorizing if it demonstrates anywhere close to what happened concerning the garrote.

With your hand against the back of his neck and your right arm stiff, the victim is held at arm’s length

Surely JonBenet was unconscious and not aware of the threatening circumstances of the cord bc she had already been hit in the head with deadly force for if I interpret the data correctly, it took several minutes of steady pulling on that garrote. Several minutes of steady pulling on that garrote. Who could do that to her?

It can be executed with a rope, strong cord or a piece of twisted cloth about three feet long with a noose in one end.

Interesting that, whether by garrote or head blow, either action could occur from a coward's distance and both deadly actions likely transpired while behind the defenseless 6yof victim named JonBenet.

 

[Linda7NJ]

There was no staging for police. IMO.

So what was the purpose of the note? You admit Patsy wrote it. It was added to the scene to stage a kidnapping.

That is staging.


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[Blue Bottle 01]

So what was the purpose of the note? You admit Patsy wrote it. It was added to the scene to stage a kidnapping.

That is staging.


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IMO, The note was written by Patsy for Patsy or rather to Patsy.

 

[Blue Bottle 01]

IMO, Patsy killed JonBenet deliberately. No one else was involved. There was no staging for police. Everything that was done was done by Patsy for Patsy as part of a psychotic fantasy revolving around an imagined relationship with a supernatural being, the fear of judgment by that God and the fear of death. What people mistakingly take as staging for police had symbolic meaning known only to Patsy. This includes the ransom note. There were two aspects to what was done to the body: the ligatures were suspension devices, the body was posed and viewed and then taken down, placed in the small room, wrapped and the duct tape applied to set the kidnapping scenario up in Patsy's mind. The ransom note is full of the ideas that swirled in Patsy's mind that night and plagued her for many years.

The goal was not to kill JonBenet but to make an Angel out of her.

Patsy herself said after the funeral "JonBenet is in Heaven with God awaiting her mother's arrival and it won't be long." Patsy put JonBenet in that heaven to complete the fantasy and in her mind assure her life after death.

As the dedication in DOI says:

Wherever we go ...
Whatever we do ...
[We're gonna go through it together ...]

 

[Anyhoo]

Going back to the original purpose of this thread, I just had an original thought about that question: Why both the head bash and the garrote? If the head bash didn't kill her and someone merely wanted to finish the job, why not just head bash her a second time (or third time) and accomplish what the first head bash was meant to do but didn't (which was to kill JB). Why go to all the trouble of creating something like the garrote when you don't have to do it to kill JB? The answer to that question reveals a lot about the killer and his/her motivations, and the answer varies depending upon whether or not you are RDI or IDI. IDI will have to answer that for themselves, but as RDI, there is only one reason to make and use the garrote (when you don't have to): staging to point to a non-existent intruder. You need to look at someone within the family who knew how to make the garrote and someone with a devious mindset to deceive. Both of those qualities must fit the killer. This eliminates BR and leaves the parents. Of the two parents, which parent would most likely have those two qualities? Answer that and you have your murderer. John Ramsey.

 

[DeDee]

The nylon cord was used to strangle JonBenet to death. Cause of death: asphyxiation by strangulation associated with craniocerebral trauma.

The nylon cord found a purpose while exposed to JBRs bed sheet as CS tells us in their vacuuming for fibers. The crime involving the nylon cord begins here. And ends miserably.

Thus, the strangulation; therefore, the cord, was always an intentional part of this crime. Due to the amount of effort the deadly head blow required, I believe the horrendous head injury was intentional, as well, and meant as an effort to control the victim by disabling; not necessarily to kill. It was the garrote that was intentional for a purpose meant to subdue and kill.


OMO

 

[UKGuy]

Going back to the original purpose of this thread, I just had an original thought about that question: Why both the head bash and the garrote? If the head bash didn't kill her and someone merely wanted to finish the job, why not just head bash her a second time (or third time) and accomplish what the first head bash was meant to do but didn't (which was to kill JB). Why go to all the trouble of creating something like the garrote when you don't have to do it to kill JB? The answer to that question reveals a lot about the killer and his/her motivations, and the answer varies depending upon whether or not you are RDI or IDI. IDI will have to answer that for themselves, but as RDI, there is only one reason to make and use the garrote (when you don't have to): staging to point to a non-existent intruder. You need to look at someone within the family who knew how to make the garrote and someone with a devious mindset to deceive. Both of those qualities must fit the killer. This eliminates BR and leaves the parents. Of the two parents, which parent would most likely have those two qualities? Answer that and you have your murderer. John Ramsey.

Anyhoo,
It was certainly one of the parents who asphyxiated JonBenet. There was a time gap between the head bash and the asphyxiation, so presumably in this interval they assumed JonBenet was dead and moved on to other aspects of the staging, i.e. cleanup, redressing etc.

Now the asphyxiation might be construed as deliberate staging with JonBenet finally expiring as an indirect consequence, or signs of life were noticed, so she was deliberately killed?

The forensic evidence suggests it was Patsy who asphyxiated JonBenet!


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[Anyhoo]

Anyhoo,
It was certainly one of the parents who asphyxiated JonBenet. There was a time gap between the head bash and the asphyxiation, so presumably in this interval they assumed JonBenet was dead and moved on to other aspects of the staging, i.e. cleanup, redressing etc.

Now the asphyxiation might be construed as deliberate staging with JonBenet finally expiring as an indirect consequence, or signs of life were noticed, so she was deliberately killed?

The forensic evidence suggests it was Patsy who asphyxiated JonBenet!


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Excluding any bias that anyone here has against PR (and I think there is a lot of bias), is it reasonable to believe:
1. PR had the pre-existing knowledge of how to create the garrote?
2. PR had the skill/ability to create the garrote?
3. PR knew how to effectively use the garrote to strangle her daughter to death?

My answer to the above questions is No. I am adult male, and if you asked me create a garrote I would have no clue how to do it, and even if I researched it I doubt I would be proficient in making one. If someone gave me a pre-made garrote I would have no clue how to use it. The knowledge of how to create and use a garrote is completely outside of my experience. Why would it be within PR's experience? That is far from the only reason I say No to the garrote being attributed to PR. To me the garrote has all the signs of being created and used by a male. Even just thinking about a garrote points to a male, but not just any male. It points to a male who is experienced and knows how to make a garrote, someone who has very likely made one before. That is hardly something I would attribute to PR. It is something I would attribute to JR, who was in the U.S. Navy and probably made a lot of knots and learned a lot of exotic things being overseas.

 

[UKGuy]

Excluding any bias that anyone here has against PR (and I think there is a lot of bias), is it reasonable to believe:
1. PR had the pre-existing knowledge of how to create the garrote?
2. PR had the skill/ability to create the garrote?
3. PR knew how to effectively use the garrote to strangle her daughter to death?

My answer to the above questions is No. I am adult male, and if you asked me create a garrote I would have no clue how to do it, and even if I researched it I doubt I would be proficient in making one. If someone gave me a pre-made garrote I would have no clue how to use it. The knowledge of how to create and use a garrote is completely outside of my experience. Why would it be within PR's experience? That is far from the only reason I say No to the garrote being attributed to PR. To me the garrote has all the signs of being created and used by a male. Even just thinking about a garrote points to a male, but not just any male. It points to a male who is experienced and knows how to make a garrote, someone who has very likely made one before. That is hardly something I would attribute to PR. It is something I would attribute to JR, who was in the U.S. Navy and probably made a lot of knots and learned a lot of exotic things being overseas.

Anyhoo,
mmm, and the reason you arrive at your conclusion is specifically because you are male.

Males add value judgements to evidence gathered biasing their inferences and conclusions.

Women have long commented and remarked on this behaviour, which has engendered the henpecked enjoinder.

Women have much better skills at analysing and arriving at particular conclusions than men, they pool more areas of experience than males, simply put, they know what matters, whereas males only think what matters for them!

So to round off, your mistake is to think that the asphyxiation device was a garotte, it was not, but it suits your male bias, and a sense of order, to think so.

So your narrative explaining the construction of a Garotte is patently a male perspective, one marvelling in the ability to create an object that kills etc, one that only a male could be skilled in.

To me the garrote has all the signs of being created and used by a male.

I rest my case ...


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[DeDee]

Excluding any bias that anyone here has against PR (and I think there is a lot of bias), is it reasonable to believe:
1. PR had the pre-existing knowledge of how to create the garrote?
2. PR had the skill/ability to create the garrote?
3. PR knew how to effectively use the garrote to strangle her daughter to death?

My answer to the above questions is No. I am adult male, and if you asked me create a garrote I would have no clue how to do it, and even if I researched it I doubt I would be proficient in making one. If someone gave me a pre-made garrote I would have no clue how to use it. The knowledge of how to create and use a garrote is completely outside of my experience. Why would it be within PR's experience? That is far from the only reason I say No to the garrote being attributed to PR. <tiny snip for space> That is hardly something I would attribute to PR. It is something I would attribute to JR, who was in the U.S. Navy and probably made a lot of knots and learned a lot of exotic things being overseas.

The difference in you and the killer is that you, thankfully, are not a killer; therefore, perhaps cannot conceive as if a killer unless you have a deep understanding about human psychology & behavior.

It is safe to assume most all of the R family members were acquainted with ropes and knots. We'll get to the garrote.

• There are photos of JBR that depict a rope as an accessory.
• JAR was a rock climber; something JBR wanted to learn to do.
• There was a bag with a thick rope inside in JARs bdrm tied to the CS.
• LHP stated there was a cord wrapped and tied around a box in the basement similar to the killing tool.
• Wire used to practice knot tying was found near the body in the WC and another one was on the ground outside the broken window.
• The family was accustomed to being upon and in the water, near the water, in a pool or on one of their two boats on the lakes. Their sailboat, the "Miss America" was at port on a nearby lake in Charlevoix. JR raced sailboats with FW in Chicago, etc

Folks with boating skills and knowledge realize that learning knots is convenient and necessary on a boat; especially while on a large sailboat. The Miss America was a great sailboat. Sometimes lots of things need to be tied down during windy conditions. Think of Natalie Woods' allege drowning while attempting to reattach or tie down the dingy while on the yacht she occupied with Robert Wagner.


1. PR needed pre-existing knowledge of knot binding to do what JBR experienced. Quite honestly, the knot attaching the paintbrush resembles a knot I learned to make in macramé class. That's a feminine touch.

2. See #1. A killer possesses the ability to kill. This 6yo victim was murdered, make no mistake about that. There was no horrific accident to cover bc of prior sex abuse. A parent dials 911 immediately. A killer does not.

3. See # 1 & 2.

With knowledge of knots, all the skill lacking was the ability to tighten the cord around the child's tiny neck. That is a person in the depths of a psychotic experience. Enter the garrote. Research narcissistic personality disorder, chem brain, classic double binding. And the psychotic drug PR had been prescribed, Klonopin. (Please absolutely no offense to Klonopin users.) Analyze why PR entered JBR in pageants and had numerous photo sessions. It was proof to show the world, to display to the nation, JBR was loved as "America's Princess" as PR fondly recited in an interview.

The garrote coupled with the sexual assault helped to make JonBenet a world wide recognizable name; hence, just as accountable was the money making media, in that regard.

PR did not shy away from media interviews. She treated the LEO questions as if she were participating in the Miss America competition all over again. "Don't go there, Buddy!" This was like an easy game of Clue for PR.

PR did not see JonBenet as her finest work ever created. Instead, in her illness, she found the mysterious Ransom Note as her proudest work. It defined her finest moment in literature history.

I am not all too sure she did not want to tell us that much all along but was frightened of life in prison.


OMOATT

 

[Anyhoo]

The difference in you and the killer is that you, thankfully, are not a killer; therefore, perhaps cannot conceive as if a killer unless you have a deep understanding about human psychology & behavior.

It is safe to assume most all of the R family members were acquainted with ropes and knots. We'll get to the garrote.

• There are photos of JBR that depict a rope as an accessory.
• JAR was a rock climber; something JBR wanted to learn to do.
• There was a bag with a thick rope inside in JARs bdrm tied to the CS.
• LHP stated there was a cord wrapped and tied around a box in the basement similar to the killing tool.
• Wire used to practice knot tying was found near the body in the WC and another one was on the ground outside the broken window.
• The family was accustomed to being upon and in the water, near the water, in a pool or on one of their two boats on the lakes. Their sailboat, the "Miss America" was at port on a nearby lake in Charlevoix. JR raced sailboats with FW in Chicago, etc

Folks with boating skills and knowledge realize that learning knots is convenient and necessary on a boat; especially while on a large sailboat. The Miss America was a great sailboat. Sometimes lots of things need to be tied down during windy conditions. Think of Natalie Woods' allege drowning while attempting to reattach or tie down the dingy while on the yacht she occupied with Robert Wagner.


1. PR needed pre-existing knowledge of knot binding to do what JBR experienced. Quite honestly, the knot attaching the paintbrush resembles a knot I learned to make in macramé class. That's a feminine touch.

2. See #1. A killer possesses the ability to kill. This 6yo victim was murdered, make no mistake about that. There was no horrific accident to cover bc of prior sex abuse. A parent dials 911 immediately. A killer does not.

3. See # 1 & 2.

With knowledge of knots, all the skill lacking was the ability to tighten the cord around the child's tiny neck. That is a person in the depths of a psychotic experience. Enter the garrote. Research narcissistic personality disorder, chem brain, classic double binding. And the psychotic drug PR had been prescribed, Klonopin. (Please absolutely no offense to Klonopin users.) Analyze why PR entered JBR in pageants and had numerous photo sessions. It was proof to show the world, to display to the nation, JBR was loved as "America's Princess" as PR fondly recited in an interview.

The garrote coupled with the sexual assault helped to make JonBenet a world wide recognizable name; hence, just as accountable was the money making media, in that regard.

PR did not shy away from media interviews. She treated the LEO questions as if she were participating in the Miss America competition all over again. "Don't go there, Buddy!" This was like an easy game of Clue for PR.

PR did not see JonBenet as her finest work ever created. Instead, in her illness, she found the mysterious Ransom Note as her proudest work. It defined her finest moment in literature history.

I am not all too sure she did not want to tell us that much all along but was frightened of life in prison.


OMOATT

you are suggesting that PR "sexually assaulted" and murdered her daughter and the primary motivation (psychotic or not) was for fame and money? Am I reading you right?

 

[DeDee]

you are suggesting that PR "sexually assaulted" and murdered her daughter and the primary motivation (psychotic or not) was for fame and money? Am I reading you right?

No, you are not reading me right. The absolute fame was a side benefit that her personality hoped for. There is never any bad attention for the NPD. Money was never the motive. She was a wealthy millionaire's wife.

The RN and garrote were two things that really set this unsolved case aside in its own class of uniqueness. It was the media sharing ample access to beauty pageant competitions and photos from glamour shots of JBR, that fueled national, albeit international, interest. Who the he!! would viciously assault then murder this lovely child?

Yes, the crime was premed. Furthermore, I think this crime was long, as in months, in the planning. Moreover, I believe that, at some point, PR knew the voluminous amount of photos and videos would be famous one day and would become advantageous, while on her way, to capturing the title of "America's Princess" for her tiny daughter, during the grieving parent stage.

This was all about Patsy while in her own mind she was convinced this must occur for her own self-seeking, self-serving purpose(s). PRs ovarian cancer was a death sentence. The finest of med care is another benefit of being wealthy. PR living 10 years, after remission, is double the norm of 5.

Intentionally and on purpose, JonBenet would not live to see her mother die when she was 16yo bc her daughter would die on Christmas Day 1996.


OMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

The difference in you and the killer is that you, thankfully, are not a killer; therefore, perhaps cannot conceive as if a killer unless you have a deep understanding about human psychology & behavior.



It is safe to assume most all of the R family members were acquainted with ropes and knots. We'll get to the garrote.

• There are photos of JBR that depict a rope as an accessory.
  
• JAR was a rock climber; something JBR wanted to learn to do.
  
• There was a bag with a thick rope inside in JARs bdrm tied to the CS.
  
• LHP stated there was a cord wrapped and tied around a box in the basement similar to the killing tool.
  
• Wire used to practice knot tying was found near the body in the WC and another one was on the ground outside the broken window.
  
• The family was accustomed to being upon and in the water, near the water, in a pool or on one of their two boats on the lakes. Their sailboat, the "Miss America" was at port on a nearby lake in Charlevoix. JR raced sailboats with FW in Chicago, etc
  

Folks with boating skills and knowledge realize that learning knots is convenient and necessary on a boat; especially while on a large sailboat. The Miss America was a great sailboat. Sometimes lots of things need to be tied down during windy conditions. Think of Natalie Woods' allege drowning while attempting to reattach or tie down the dingy while on the yacht she occupied with Robert Wagner.





1. PR needed pre-existing knowledge of knot binding to do what JBR experienced. Quite honestly, the knot attaching the paintbrush resembles a knot I learned to make in macramé class. That's a feminine touch.



2. See #1. A killer possesses the ability to kill. This 6yo victim was murdered, make no mistake about that. There was no horrific accident to cover bc of prior sex abuse. A parent dials 911 immediately. A killer does not.



3. See # 1 & 2.



With knowledge of knots, all the skill lacking was the ability to tighten the cord around the child's tiny neck. That is a person in the depths of a psychotic experience. Enter the garrote. Research narcissistic personality disorder, chem brain, classic double binding. And the psychotic drug PR had been prescribed, Klonopin. (Please absolutely no offense to Klonopin users.) Analyze why PR entered JBR in pageants and had numerous photo sessions. It was proof to show the world, to display to the nation, JBR was loved as "America's Princess" as PR fondly recited in an interview.



The garrote coupled with the sexual assault helped to make JonBenet a world wide recognizable name; hence, just as accountable was the money making media, in that regard.



PR did not shy away from media interviews. She treated the LEO questions as if she were participating in the Miss America competition all over again. "Don't go there, Buddy!" This was like an easy game of Clue for PR.



PR did not see JonBenet as her finest work ever created. Instead, in her illness, she found the mysterious Ransom Note as her proudest work. It defined her finest moment in literature history.



I am not all too sure she did not want to tell us that much all along but was frightened of life in prison.





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My parents owned a sailboat from the time I was a very small child. Every weekend was spent on the water or in it. My mother nor myself never learned to tie anything more complicated than our shoes. My dad on other hand, could tie every knot known to man and then some more.

All that to say, I think it's a mistake to assume Patsy knew anything about tying complicated knots based on Johns owning a sailboat...and IMO the knot wasn't complicated or outside the ability of even myself.

I disagree that Patsy was psychotic. I do agree she was a narcissist to the extreme.
I have great difficulty wrapping my head around long term premeditation.

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