Why didn't Cindy file for custody of Caylee? Could Cindy have saved her?

[Baxter]

She was sure looking for someone to take her to get gas....she called Jesse once, AH twice, & then went to AH's (after dropping Tony @the airport) apt.
picked her up, & they went & bought a gas can, but the car had already been towed.......all this while the car was at amscot.

Cars out of gas are hard to steal & GA did have to put gas in it when he picked it up @ the tow yard.

PS...check the case calendar in the sticky's...all these 'gas' calls are listed in June 28-29-30 per JG & AH

Really, then why when Tony went to pick her up when she left her car there didn't he bring her gas?

 

[tx_Dot]

None of it really adds up. Why didn't she take 30 seconds to step into Tony's appartment to see if Caylee was there? Wouldn't you have?

She did, remember after the 'chat' outside they came in. CA told KC to get her things ( KC said NO), & CA told Tony she "hoped he had lots of money",
it's in Tony's interview.

 

[tx_Dot]

Really, then why when Tony went to pick her up when she left her car there didn't he bring her gas?

KC told Tony, she had called her Dad & he was going to take care of it.

it's in Tony's interview..might be on the case calender, also.

 

[Baxter]

KC told Tony, she had called her Dad & he was going to take care of it.

it's in Tony's interview..might be on the case calender, also.

I know she said that George would take care of it. But if she needed gas, why not have Tony bring it to her? She asked everyone else to bring her gas?

 

[tx_Dot]

I know she said that George would take care of it. But if she needed gas, why not have Tony bring it to her? She asked everyone else to bring her gas?

IIRC Tony had to get to school, he prolly didn't have a gas can, (KC buys one on the 30th), I just think since she kept calling & telling JG & AH (about gas) that she intended to get the car back.

A 'car-jacking' has never been in any of her bizzare stories.

 

[2goldfish]

C'mon, how many of us don't see our parents for a month or more at a time? Sometimes, I don't see my grown sons for a month at a time. I would never think to call LE. Casey said Caylee was with Zanny. Why should Cindy question that?

Cindy thought Casey had moved out and she couldn't find her. The only way that she did was because Casey left her purse on the front seat and it had Amy's contact information. Cindy contacted Amy and then they found Casey.

At this point, almost 8 mos. later, its easy to use hindsight.

ITA. Again I ask, what exactly was cindy supposed to do, stake her out? you dont get to tell your 22 year old daughter what to do with her kid. 99% of the time everything is fine. This time, it was not, and it was no one's fault but KC's.

From the time I moved from my mother's house there are a few months in between contact between us, for 16 years now. and my kids are perfectly fine.

 

[Brini]

Good question, I can't say exactly what I would do , but if I REALLY thought my daughter had let her child be missing for a month without reporting her, I think I would have started the process along. That would have been the last straw for me.

In addition, I would not have allowed KC to take Caylee away "to bond." KC had the legal right. But, she would have taken Caylee only if she could take me first.

They caved to KC WAY too much.

 

[Brini]

Most definately! But then, my kids (who think I'm a little nuts for being so wound up in this case) all tell me they know I would never have let this crap slide to began with...LOL

Nor would I have. On the REMOTE chance that, parental rights or not, I would have allowed KC to take Caylee, I would have demanded access the FIRST time Caylee was beyond access. Maybe the second. No longer than a week.

 

[Brini]

ITA. Again I ask, what exactly was cindy supposed to do, stake her out? you dont get to tell your 22 year old daughter what to do with her kid. 99% of the time everything is fine. This time, it was not, and it was no one's fault but KC's.

From the time I moved from my mother's house there are a few months in between contact between us, for 16 years now. and my kids are perfectly fine.

Most 22-year-old daughters are not chronic liars, thieves and shirkers.

 

[Brini]

I wonder about the same things! What were these people doing for the almost three years that Caylee was alive? No money coming in from their chitty daughter, not EVER meeting a single co-worker or friend who could collaborate her bullchit job, no one to ever suggest that there really was a babysitter; no pictures/descriptions/photographs/accounts of the days events...Do these Grandparents have some kind of mental illness/disorder?

Facetious question but come on already! Can we get real!???

Ostriches.

 

[Brini]

I understand what your saying and I do agree that Cindy may of been in panic mode by the time she found Casey and the car. I can agree that she may of lost her mind at first and I could understand that. Now, after the fact I feel she should of been honest with LE about everything.
What I don't agree with is the fact that this family had issues way before Casey took off. George had warned Cindy, Cindy's brother warned Cindy. Cindy was aware of Casey steeling and lying and being a sociopath. She even told LE that Casey was a sociopath. So why would anyone trust or allow a sociopath to take off with any child? I think Cindy should of let Casey make her decision to let Caylee be adopted out, if she didn't want Casey to give her up then she should of become Caylee's legal guardian. That should of been the second sign. But, we can all speculate and say she should of done this and she should of done that. I just know what I did and would do it over if I had to, and thank "God" my grandchild is still alive I fought for custody right away. I am sad to say that the birth mother had a second child from someone else and that child almost died at 3 weeks and is now with the other grandparents and the mother is on her 3rd pregnancy. So, these women are seriously ill and if they are not stopped they end up hurting there children and others. JMO

It's a pity that Family Court judges can't impose a sentence of sterilization.

 

[debs]

I am eternally puzzled by the insistence on personalizing the "why" of this case: Cindy didn't "go after" Casey to get Caylee back for reasons that were many years in the making. Cindy "allowed" Casey to take off with Caylee because even Cindy knows legally she had no leg to stand on. Cindy and George weren't "firmer" with Casey because of the dynamics of the family.

What we here at WS do in our own lives shows we (most of us) choose not to have these dynamics in our family, choose to build relationships with our children based in trust and respect and not lies and abuse, to see our grandchildren as blessings and not tools of manipulation. All these things and more were in play the last day that Casey and Caylee had alone. All these things and more were in play the house in the days, weeks, months before Casey and Caylee were left alone that last time.

We can turn blue saying that we would never do this, we wouldn't allow that. But at the end of the day, we also know we have different circumstances based on our own personal strengths, weaknesses, situations, personalities, and most of all, the ability to look at it objectively from a distance and speculate. Even those who have had similar situations tell their story with a most different outcome. That is because we. are. not. them.

It is apparent that living in the Anthony home is not where any one of us would want to be, nor have our child raised. There are reasons for that, and all of them point to the various stages of "much more healthy" interpersonal skills than that exhibited by the Anthony family, one and all. To each stage of healing, development, intellectual achievement and struggle to be better the next day of all WS's who can in some way relate, I salute you.

JaneInOz says it all the time: There but for the Grace of God go (we).

 

[Brini]

I have a problem with the entire issue of who is Caylee's father because of the potential money for Casey involved with this issue. Casey has stolen money from her mother, her brother, her grandfather, her friend Amy, and who knows who all else. Apparently Casey has a great fondness for *unearned* money.

So...if Casey named a father the state would have given her free help in establishing a child support award and the state would also have given her free aid in enforcing any such order be paid and up to date. I just cannot see Casey voluntarily forgoing so much *unearned* money.

If a single mother pays the entire freight for her child the state will not get involved in establishing paternity. The state will only get involved in establishing paternity if the mother requests that help or if the mother accepts public aid (Welfare, food stamps, medical care, etc.) Apparently either Casey was insured for the birth costs of Caylee under Cindy's health insurance or Cindy paid the costs of Caylee's birth out of pocket.

Otherwise if the state picked up the costs of Caylee's birth or any other medical costs for Caylee after her birth, the state would have "forced" Casey to name a father. The state would then provide paternity testing. If Potential Daddy #1 didn't pan out in the DNA, then the state would keep ordering Casey to name fathers until they found the right father no matter how many men they had to test.

Obviously none of this happened so for some reason Cindy was willing to pick up the costs for Caylee herself rather than accept *any* state aid for Caylee. Which to me means Cindy likely knows who the real father is and like Casey, doesn't want him named publicly. Make of that what you will.

Because Casey and Cindy claimed the man who died in the car accident is the "real" father of Caylee is precisely why I don't believe that is true or even close to being the truth.

The identity of the father is not the topic of this thread.

The OTHER reason why CA did not pursue is that she may not have wanted to share Caylee with another family. The way she didn;t want to share her with the Grunds.

 

[Brini]

I know she said that George would take care of it. But if she needed gas, why not have Tony bring it to her? She asked everyone else to bring her gas?

Because she wnted to ditch the car.

 

[Brini]

Then why do you think she told AH that they were scared to open the trunk for fear that either KC or Caylee could be inside? Why on earth would she have said this if she had NO IDEA that something was/could have been horribly wrong?

Curious. I've asked this question many times and no one ever answers.

MOO

Because one can recognize the scent of decomp the FIRST time it's smelled, and one never forgets it. Also, both parents had been in occupations where they were exposed to the scent. They knew what they were smelling.

 

[Brini]

Amster, that is a very good question, why wasn't Cindy checking up on the welfare of Casey and Caylee through Casey's friends and aquaintances during that 31 day void?
Maybe Cindy was checking.
Or, perhaps she was just plain stubborn and decided to do tough love and wash her hands of the entire problem. It is so difficult to understand any and all actions or non actions of the Anthony's. I for one believe at the beginning of the 31 days, Casey had been in contact with her brother, Lee. Didn't she tell him about the "choking" incident (true or not) with her mother the night of Father's Day? Whatever went down, Casey was in charge of everything. She was in control of reporting her daughter missing to officials and did not do that. Or tell her parents either.
So many questions and it's hard to put the story together becasuse it's being told by a family of liers. Who do we believe?

Well, she was wailing about not being able to contact KC or Caylee, on MySpace, during that time.

 

[Brini]

My bold....

Grandparents getting custody is not a slam-dunk, & even harder than in a divorce.

What if KC had (legally) signed over her parental rights to someone wanting to adopt ???... Cindy would have no say-so about this.

Maybe this was KC's plan......just tell all Caylee's w/nanny, thinking no-one would call LE......then later finally admitting she adopted her out....sure better than ever having to admit she was dead.

KC had no plan. She is impulse-driven.

 

[Brini]

Interesting, I'm thinking about various theories to this regard...I know there's a couple floating around that elude to Casey "was" Zenaida, and was infact creating a paper trail by various means to prove this imaginary Zenaida existed....who probably crossed over from Mexico without papers IMO. If Casey was creating a Zenaida, then she certainly could have planned to take it the next step (and sign custody over) because she had no need for a "real" nanny for Caylee any longer.

KC does not/cannot plan. She knows there is no Zenaida, and did not do anything to establish a credible paper trail-- which ain't that hard. Particularly since she was practiced at draining other peoples accounts, using purloined documents.

 

[Brini]

I know what you mean about other people thinking they have the right answers.

For certain, there are other grandparents out there this very moment who's adult children are withholding their grandchildren from them, for various reasons. I highly doubt even one of them believe their grandchildren are dead. And neither did Cindy when this all began That's an unreasonable and heartless expectation to place on anyone IMO.

Cindy did the right thing because she cared about Caylee. She tracked Casey down, called 911 and cooperated with police. Cindy's alternative was to listen to Casey's concocted lies for the rest of their lives, and never see Caylee again.

And where has Cindy's "doing the right thing" gotten her? Information they willing gave has been completely misconstrued, each and every word they say and action they do has been torn apart and used against them, piled with a whole heap of players inserting themselves in the spotlight for profit, while some of the media (and experts) are having a field day with ratings that soar sky high each time the word Caylee is mentioned.

Honestly, it's sad because we now know nothing is going to bring Caylee back, and all things considered, one would have to wonder if Cindy would have been better off just not caring so much. Was it worth it.

I do have faith that the truth will come out and then people will see the family in a different light. I seems to me there's almost a deliberate attempt over the past couple months to shape the media against them, and that tells me the defense is running frightened of the truth. So I do think at the end of the day, that Cindy will realize she did the right thing. Because they want and need to know the truth, and that time will come. IMO.

Actually, the A's have been the ones to set themselves up with the meida. Like trying to set up other people (such as JG), and telling different stories at different times.

 

[Brini]

I've wondered that too, Edeva...I wondered if Cindy knew Caylee was dead...because although custody battles in a divorce situation can be long and harrowing, this one would have been pretty cut and dry...mom is in jail, dad is unknown to child, the court would absolutely have gone with the next of kin who Caylee had lived with her whole life...nobody other than CA, GA, LA had any better standing to take temporary custody of Caylee unless:

Is biodad still alive? Is it possible he does not know he is biodad? Does Cindy know who he is? Does Cindy worry that Casey may have told one of her friends who biodad is and that info could now get out and biodad could appear to challenge custody?

It's clear to me that whoever biodad really is, Casey did not want him involved in Caylee's life, or she wouldn't have tried to make Jesse biodad...if I'm not mistaken, the man A's claim is Caylee's dad died in a car accident but not before Caylee was born, IIRC, so even after Jesse was not the dad, there still was time for KC to tell the guy who is the dad if she had wanted to...I think it just became convenient for KC to say that the guy who died in the car accident was the dad because she didn't want real dad involved...Whether or not he knows Caylee was his, I think biodad is still out there, and that may have been part of the equation also...

The identity of the bio dad is not the topic of this thread. Nor, has he ever been part of Caylee's life.