Why didn't Patsy confess on her deathbed?

[Meara]

I picked that up from Kolar but yeah it’s well documented at this point Patsy stayed in what i believe they called the solarium. When john ran up with JBR in his arms he put her by christmas tree in the adjacent living room and Patsy didn’t budge until friends came to fetch her. She already knew jbr was dead. jmo

PR was in the solarium with her friends in the morning. When Linda Arndt was left to manage the crime scene alone, everyone was obliged to gather in one room, the den adjacent to the kitchen.

The head of the paramedic team that responded to Linda Arndt’s call after JBR’s body was found described finding her body placed in this location:

With the house, I always think a picture is worth a thousand words. HTH.

Paramedic Interview
CHECK OUT THIS NEW PODCAST ABOUT JONBENET

 

[Lebowski]

@CloudedTruth

i read det. arndt's notes last night. (not sure if board rules allow them to be posted here...) i find her to be a credible and diligent observer. although we don't have an independent check on the accuracy for much of it (which i'm sure is often the case), they have a thoroughness and caution to them that makes me take them seriously. it's almost like reading a scientist's lab notes. at least going by those notes, she seems neither crazy nor dumb as a lot of commentary i've seen suggests.

does it move the needle for me on her interpretation of the "nonverbal exchange" with JR? a little? though i still worry about subjectivity and ambiguity of it. ... and i still feel like many of JR's early actions and statements are hard to reconcile with him being involved, at least early on.

here's where it did move me. i learned a lot of little things, and am now basically certain RDI. JR didn't just say all the doors were locked. he said very few people were given keys, and he named them all. he said no keys were lost or stolen, and there were no hidden ones outside. ... it is close to impossible to imagine how an intruder even could have gotten into this house. no tracks in the snow, doors and windows all locked, and no signs of forced entry. not many keys floating around, and i assume the people who had them were looked at closely. no dirt tracked in from the outdoors. are we to believe this intruder was james bond? ... and that james bond hung around for a long time after murdering JBR, staging a nonsensical crime scene and writing an obviously fake ransom note (for what purpose)? was comfortable visiting every floor of the house. did it without waking anyone. was nice enough to put away the notepad. knew the amount of john's bonus. etc. ... yeah, this is ridiculous.

incidentally, i also learned that an officer (weiss?) was photographing the exterior of the house shortly after 8 am (?). i don't know whether any or all of these pictures are public. obviously there are a bunch on acandyrose etc., but iirc (?) that's a small selection and not all of them were taken early in the day. ... anyway, thorough exterior pictures a little after 8 should have captured the state of the snow on the ground before it melted, and should settle both the questions of whether there were footprints and how certain we should be that an intruder would have made some.

 

[CloudedTruth]

@CloudedTruth

i read det. arndt's notes last night. (not sure if board rules allow them to be posted here...) i find her to be a credible and diligent observer. although we don't have an independent check on the accuracy for much of it (which i'm sure is often the case), they have a thoroughness and caution to them that makes me take them seriously. it's almost like reading a scientist's lab notes. at least going by those notes, she seems neither crazy nor dumb as a lot of commentary i've seen suggests.

does it move the needle for me on her interpretation of the "nonverbal exchange" with JR? a little? though i still worry about subjectivity and ambiguity of it. ... and i still feel like many of JR's early actions and statements are hard to reconcile with him being involved, at least early on.

here's where it did move me. i learned a lot of little things, and am now basically certain RDI. JR didn't just say all the doors were locked. he said very few people were given keys, and he named them all. he said no keys were lost or stolen, and there were no hidden ones outside. ... it is close to impossible to imagine how an intruder even could have gotten into this house. no tracks in the snow, doors and windows all locked, and no signs of forced entry. not many keys floating around, and i assume the people who had them were looked at closely. no dirt tracked in from the outdoors. are we to believe this intruder was james bond? ... and that james bond hung around for a long time after murdering JBR, staging a nonsensical crime scene and writing an obviously fake ransom note (for what purpose)? was comfortable visiting every floor of the house. did it without waking anyone. was nice enough to put away the notepad. knew the amount of john's bonus. etc. ... yeah, this is ridiculous.

incidentally, i also learned that an officer (weiss?) was photographing the exterior of the house shortly after 8 am (?). i don't know whether any or all of these pictures are public. obviously there are a bunch on acandyrose etc., but iirc (?) that's a small selection and not all of them were taken early in the day. ... anyway, thorough exterior pictures a little after 8 should have captured the state of the snow on the ground before it melted, and should settle both the questions of whether there were footprints and how certain we should be that an intruder would have made some.

Yes. When you put it all together it's very difficult to imagine that there was any intruder. It just doesn't add up IMO.

IMO Det. Arndt often gets a bad rap. She became a big scapegoat of the case, but it was her superiors who made the decision to leave her as the only police presence in the house for hours. She had called for backup more than once and was ignored. When she finally called and spoke to the police switchboard, she was told they were all in a meeting. Here you have a kidnapping of a prominent and wealthy Boulder citizen, that must've been a very important meeting that it was a priority over proper police coverage of the scene. There are many unanswered questions about how that was handled, and why Commander Eller made some of the decisions that he did. JR likes to complain about how inexperienced BPD was in certain areas. But there was a homicide detective on the force who did have a lot of experience.....more so than even Eller. He was briefly involved and then taken off the case by Eller.

There is also the window and grate evidence. Police took pictures of that broken window and the sill and there were old cobwebs and debris clearly visible. When Lou Smit videotaped himself climbing through the window it was very clear that his body took up the entirety of the window area. It became very obvious that someone climbing through that window would've disturbed the cobwebs and dragged debris in with him. Additionally, there was an intact cobweb string (for lack of a better descriptive word) that was attached to the grate that had to be lifted and was also attached to the vegetation below. If the grate were lifted in order to gain access to the window, that would've been broken.

There was a light dusting of snow that night. That means the ground and the paved areas would've been wet. This increases the probability of picking up leaves, debris, etc. on the bottom of shoes and tracking that in. A note about the light dusting of snow.....it typically melts first on paved areas and once the sun comes up. Because of the altitude in Colorado it can melt very quickly due to the intensity of the sun at higher altitudes, especially in South facing areas. But it would've likely still been evident even on the paved areas when the police first arrived, while it was still dark, and before the sun came up and the temperature began to rise. They observed no footprints.

Here's a link to a site that features a lot of pictures of the crime scene as well as the Ramseys, etc. It also has police interviews, DNA reports and some other interesting stuff. Scroll down and you will find where the pictures start.

https://shakedowntitle.com/cases/jonbenet/

 

[LadyL]

to answer the thread title
because she was still protecting either her husband or her son or both
IMO

 

[Cassie P]

Patsy couldn't confess. She was protecting herself, John, and Burke. As the Grand Jury indicated, John and Patsy committed felonies, covering up the First Degree murder committed by someone else. And failing to protect their 6 yr old daughter from a known danger.

 

[gumshoe1]

to answer the thread title
because she was still protecting either her husband or her son or both
IMO

If you believe that, then you probably don't believe the theory that Patsy accidentally killed JonBenet by whacking JonBenet with a blunt object while trying to whack John as John was molesting JonBenet.

 

[gumshoe1]

Patsy couldn't confess. She was protecting herself, John, and Burke. As the Grand Jury indicated, John and Patsy committed felonies, covering up the First Degree murder committed by someone else. And failing to protect their 6 yr old daughter from a known danger.

First of all, when Patsy was going to die within the next few days, Patsy didn't have to worry about protecting herself any more. Patsy was about to die anyway.

If you believe Patsy was protecting John and Burke, then I suppose you don't believe the theory that Patsy accidentally whacked JonBenet in the head while trying to whack John as John was molesting JonBenet. The theory that Patsy accidentally whacked JonBenet while John was molesting JonBenet does not implicate Burke in the slightest. And it is hard to believe that Patsy would want to protect the scum that both molested her daughter and caused Patsy to accidentally kill JonBeney.

 

[gumshoe1]

I would like to point out that this was a private conversation initiated by you who asked the question why I thought PR was mad at someone other than JB. I answered in good faith with MY OPINION as to what I thought may have transpired. I would appreciate that if you are going to share my personal opinion here publicly that I shared with you privately that you first give me the courtesy of asking permission and that you acknowledge it as such......my opinion, which I made very clear to you with my first response.

As to the rest of your stated opinion / questions, the legal points are of course valid. However that does not take into account the human aspect, the dynamic between JR and PR which had significantly changed after the murder. Whatever reasons PR may have had for remaining silent about what may have happened that night are hers and hers alone. Only she would be able to answer that question. I recall when Det. Arndt went to visit her as she was dying, she made a comment that indicated she thought that PR was imprisoned by secrets. That's not an exact quote, but it was something similar....that was the gist.

Having had the very painful experience of watching a very close friend die from a cancer that like PR's had metastasized to the brain, I can tell you that similar to PR she fought it all the way. And she wanted to keep fighting. While it was becoming more and more obvious to those around her that she was in fact dying, it really wasn't to her. The fighting spirit was strong. Until she lapsed into a coma from which she never returned. There were heavy duty drugs to keep her comfortable and she was just not there. That went on for almost 3 weeks before she finally passed.

It was JR that made the decision to discontinue PR's treatment, and has has admitted that he didn't even tell her. I am not aware of further specifics as to how lucid or even conscious she was in her last weeks / days. Her sister posted that she found her victory at 3AM. We know that JR was supposedly by her side when she passed. Was anyone else? Burke was 17 when she passed. Not an adult yet, not out on his own. Perhaps she thought he still needed his father, having lost two sisters and now his mother. We don't know. We can speculate until the cows come home ,only she knew the answers and she took them to her grave.

Patsy could have confessed to Detective Linda Ardnt on her deathbed or to Lou Smit, who also visited her in her final days.

Yes, Patsy could have refrained from confessing for Burke's sake, ( so that Burke would be taken care of financially by John) although that seems farfetched to me.

 

[Cassie P]

First of all, when Patsy was going to die within the next few days, Patsy didn't have to worry about protecting herself any more. Patsy was about to die anyway.

If you believe Patsy was protecting John and Burke, then I suppose you don't believe the theory that Patsy accidentally whacked JonBenet in the head while trying to whack John as John was molesting JonBenet. The theory that Patsy accidentally whacked JonBenet while John was molesting JonBenet does not implicate Burke in the slightest. And it is hard to believe that Patsy would want to protect the scum that both molested her daughter and caused Patsy to accidentally kill JonBeney.

I am trained as a scientist and clinician. I have no agenda who killed JB. I just want to know the truth. And to do that we have to follow the data, research, and psych profiles. When you stick to data, the truth emerges.

I have no data to support a scenario where John is the abuser and Patsy kills her own child.

 

[gumshoe1]

I am trained as a scientist and clinician. I have no agenda who killed JB. I just want to know the truth. And to do that we have to follow the data, research, and psych profiles. When you stick to data, the truth emerges.

I have no data to support a scenario where John is the abuser and Patsy kills her own child.

Then my supposition that you don't believe the theory that Patsy accidentally whacked JonBenet in the head while trying to whack John is correct.

 

[Swirlz]

When you stick to data, the truth emerges.

O.k., I'll bite, what do you think "the truth" is?

 

[Kakidoll]

IMO Patsy protected Burke. Whether accident our of anger, SA or .... she wasn't going to lose him and was part of the coverup.. Why confess on her deathbed? What would she gain? NOTHING.

 

[gumshoe1]

IMO Patsy protected Burke. Whether accident our of anger, SA or .... she wasn't going to lose him and was part of the coverup.. Why confess on her deathbed? What would she gain? NOTHING.

If PR accidentally whacked JBR on the head while trying to whack JR while JR was molesting JBR, what PR would have to gain by confessing on PR's deathbed was justice for both JBR and herself.