Why doesn't CPS take away the minor children?

And my husband has come home drunk after a night out with the boys (after getting a ride home) and left his house keys in the door. So anyone would have access to our house and children. But he is a good dad otherwise, and that is not grounds for taking our children away.
 
IMO, it is right that CPS is cautious about removing children from their parents. Regardless of what some may think, there are no perfect parents, every single one makes mistakes; some of those mistakes could have serious repercussions, but by the grace of God, didn't.

I'm not sure how the foster system worked for you, Not_My, but for the vast majority of people I've talked with, it didn't work out so well. Taking children away from their family is huge; it's not to be taken lightly by any means. And those that are advocating for it should be well aware of the situation they may be putting those children in before screaming too loudly for that action.

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To use your post as a diving board:

Just because a child is removed from the custody of their mother does not necessarily equal foster care. JI's son can certainly stay with him as long as DB is not the sole caretaker. DB's son can certainly go live with other family members until DB can get her act together and get some reality based alcohol education and treatment. I think all children deserve a home with attentive parents who are not crippled with substance abuse, but foster care should be the last resort.
 
Simply stated, they don't have enough. I know that offends a lot of people, but it is what it is. If they jump the gun, or treat them more aggressively than the standard dictates, they can be sued for damages.
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I spend several hours/week answering medical questions and locating medical information/documentation for those falsely accused of child abuse/neglect by CPS. Many of these individuals desperately want to sue CPS. Finding an attorney that will agree to take such a case and sue CPS is very difficult even in areas with well known CPS corruption. Society has been indoctrinated that CPS is a group of "child saviors" and attorneys do not want the reputation of suing "child saviors" and financially harming the county that employed the caseworker.
 
The woman drinking with DB didn't black out. She took her daughter home. None of her children were "kidnapped" in the night either.

We really don't know that she didn't black out do we? I had a friend who didn't remember driving someone home all the way across town. If someone can drive in a black out surely they can walk. Not saying she did just that we don't really know.
 
I don't think CPS needs to remove the children from their parents in this case. Haven't they been through enough? CPS will most certainly investigate this situation when the time is right but now is not the time. I believe the children are secure and safe for now.

MOO
 
Rowen Ford of Stella MO was hotlined to DFS as an endangered child more than once and she was never removed.

DFS is swamped with children in need. They aren't going to remove children from the home because mommy likes to get her buzz on drinking wine, even to the point of drunkenness.
 
To the commenter that stated (maybe tongue in cheek), that parents who take nyquil for a cold or are heavy sleepers don't have their kids taken away...
well you are wrong...
I'm a heavy sleeper and was home alone with my kids, one teething horribly (I hadn't had more than 4 hours of sleep in one night in a week) and he was sleeping on my chest and my 5 yr old special needs son left our home in the middle of the night, I didn't hear a dang thing until the police woke me up....
My children were removed from the home for failure to supervise....
So yes sometimes kids get removed because a parent is a heavy sleeper and is suffering from exhaustion...
I really feel there is sufficient evidence to open an investigation into JI and DB..
MOO

Not sure about CPS in your area, but where I live if the police found a child wondering and returned them to their home, they would only call CPS if they found unsafe conditions or observed abuse or signs of abuse. I have heard on the news of several cases where a child is found wondering in the streets at night alone. When police return them, they wake parents up - who had no idea the child left the home. It is at this time that police would call in CPS if they felt the child was unsafe due to conditions of the home or abuse. If CPS everywhere took children away from heavy sleeping parents....the system would be flooded. Children who are mildly physically abused do not get taken away, so IMO I don't feel CPS would even look at heavy sleeping parents JMO
 
1. drinking to a stage of black out drunk.
2. admitting to drinking 2-3 times per week
3. not locking front door
4. not closing window
5. putting a sick child to bed at 6:40 PM, checking on her once, and not remembering to check on her again.
6. 10 month old child kidnapped from home

Each one individually doesn't warrant removal. However, combined, adds up to much more than reasonable removal IMHO. Add to that a child kidnapped (by the parents account) from the home during this time increases the reasonibility factor. I would expect simple safety measures to be applied while caring for your children (ie, locking door and windows).

My opinion only. Thank you.

Mel

Plenty of guys come home from work & knock back a couple of beers a few times a week without putting their kids at risk. IDK about the door being unlocked, I check & double check the doors every night, but if the next morning I found one unlocked, I would certainly have doubts about my diligence. The older I get, the more I forget. I've only been really drunk a few times in my many moons, I wish I could have blacked out. After a couple of hours I was worshipping the porcelain goddess. Would a box of wine drunk over a period of 4-5 hours get two people that drunk ?
 
CPS takes children out of homes before allegations are "proven" all the time. They can't just leave endangered children in an abusive home until the case goes through the court system. That would never work. Just wanted to point that out.

There's supposed to be evidence to support the allegations. I fully believe CPS violates the law all the time by removing children without evidence, that's why it's so important that Lisa's parents have legal representation.

MOO
 
And my husband has come home drunk after a night out with the boys (after getting a ride home) and left his house keys in the door. So anyone would have access to our house and children. But he is a good dad otherwise, and that is not grounds for taking our children away.

Not the same thing. Put your husband in the same scenario - sick infant and 2 children under the age of 7 in his care. He gets drunk, blacks out, baby's missing.....nope, not the same thing.
 
Rowen Ford of Stella MO was hotlined to DFS as an endangered child more than once and she was never removed.

DFS is swamped with children in need. They aren't going to remove children from the home because mommy likes to get her buzz on drinking wine, even to the point of drunkenness.

I really think they would try in this case on behalf of LE, IF the parents didn't have a good attorney.
 
Not the same thing. Put your husband in the same scenario - sick infant and 2 children under the age of 7 in his care. He gets drunk, blacks out, baby's missing.....nope, not the same thing.

I'm not saying it's the same thing. I am just saying that we have left the door unlocked, I am a heavy sleeper, there are 2 children in our home, he is drunk, etc. Someone could have stolen our children.
 
There's supposed to be evidence to support the allegations. I fully believe CPS violates the law all the time by removing children without evidence, that's why it's so important that Lisa's parents have legal representation.

MOO

I was responding to someone who said they couldn't remove children until something is "proven." Yes, there should definitely be evidence before CPS removes children. Evidence does not equal Proof.
 
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I spend several hours/week answering medical questions and locating medical information/documentation for those falsely accused of child abuse/neglect by CPS. Many of these individuals desperately want to sue CPS. Finding an attorney that will agree to take such a case and sue CPS is very difficult even in areas with well known CPS corruption. Society has been indoctrinated that CPS is a group of "child saviors" and attorneys do not want the reputation of suing "child saviors" and financially harming the county that employed the caseworker.
absolutely 100% agreed. I just think that with DB, JT, wealthy benefactor she may have more exposure to some more influential resources now because of how everything has evolved.

But you're absolutely right.

ETA- I have HUGE issues with DHS. Please don't ever think that I am blind to the mess that exists. I get it. Half of the homes I went in to were couples in it for the check, and were worse than my bio home. I work with them because I can't not work with them. CASA is a huge part of my life, both for getting kids home when they should be and getting them out when they should be. I tolerate DHS, I don't adore them.
 
Not the same thing. Put your husband in the same scenario - sick infant and 2 children under the age of 7 in his care. He gets drunk, blacks out, baby's missing.....nope, not the same thing.

She just had a cold, right ? Sounds like she was coherent enough to get the kids in bed at a reasonable hour. If she was a true partier, she wouldn't have stopped at 10:30.The 6:40 bedtime for Lisa bothers me though. I don't see anything wrong with putting the kids to bed and having a few glasses of wine.
 
Rowen Ford of Stella MO was hotlined to DFS as an endangered child more than once and she was never removed.

DFS is swamped with children in need. They aren't going to remove children from the home because mommy likes to get her buzz on drinking wine, even to the point of drunkenness.

I have worked closely to this topic in 4 states. In this region (MO & surrounding) we are especially hit hard right now with a very large meth problem. The children in these homes are among the most dire cases I've ever experienced. And we are swamped.
 
There's supposed to be evidence to support the allegations. I fully believe CPS violates the law all the time by removing children without evidence, that's why it's so important that Lisa's parents have legal representation.

MOO
This statement is patently false. CPS does not have the manpower, the time, nor the facilities to take children, without reason, from homes without any sort of evidence. Does it happen? Yes, but "all the time" is an overstatement. I would rather err on the side of caution in child abuse cases. More often than not, CPS fails to take children from homes where the child(ren) end up dead.

Lisa blacked out, she left three children in harm's way. One didn't make it to the next morning. Has it occurred to the poster that those two children may know something? They may have witnessed something and they may be afraid. If so, they need to be removed until a complete investigation has taken place, and that includes LE representatives speaking with them.

What if one of the family is involved and the boys are afraid they are next. The boys were there that night and they weren't drunk - there's a good possibility they saw or heard something.
 
She just had a cold, right ? Sounds like she was coherent enough to get the kids in bed at a reasonable hour. If she was a true partier, she wouldn't have stopped at 10:30.The 6:40 bedtime for Lisa bothers me though. I don't see anything wrong with putting the kids to bed and having a few glasses of wine.

A true partier would have put Lisa to bed at 6:40 so she could get the party started. As far as going to bed herself at 10:30, we don't know that - even Deborah doesn't know that. The neighbor said the lights went off....well, we all know, at some point, they came back on.

A few glasses of wine is fine....blacking out drunk, not so much.
 
I actually think the 6:40 bedtime is common and signals a good mom. I at first thought DB put her to bed at 10:30 and thought poorly of that. I have read many sleep books and an early bedtime is best especially if they don't take a late afternoon nap. My 7 month old and many of my friends babies go to bed this early.
 
Personally, I don't care what time a baby goes to bed as long as it gets enough sleep. I used to keep my babies up until 11 or 12, then let them sleep until noon. What difference does it make which hours they sleep as long as there are enough hours slept? I am a night owl, and hate getting up early. So I allowed the kids to sleep my hours until they started school. Everyone was happy.
 

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