Why don't you state in the headers...

[julianne]

I am an "IDI Person" here, and ,in a way, I understand where you are coming from. There are certain "RDI People" (small minority) who state that all the evidence always points to the Ramseys, and that it is all well-known fact. Of course, I know that their "facts" are not facts at all. When you question those so called facts, you are scolded for not knowing enough of the case as they do. To certain RDI's, their theories are FACT, and the IDI's theories are just...theories based on not knowing enough. BUT....I don't ever let it get to me. People are people, and there are alot of different personalities who post here. I know that this topic is emotionally draining. I have come to accept the fact that WS is definately Pro-RDI...but that's okay. No biggie. I will continue to post here, and just ignore those that tend to go overboard or those that aren't open to hearing anything that disagrees with what they think. Only time will tell. Karr may or may not be the one, but I am finding that everything in his case that the RDI's have said wouldn't happen, has happened.

 

[Louisa]

TB,

I started posting on Ramsey internet message boards just months after JB's murder. I stayed literally on the fence with a completely open mind for several years, doing just what you're trying to do now. Finally I concluded based on fact, research, and logic that IDI was the only logical scenario. Eventually I stopped posting on Ramsey boards because it seemed they'd become not much more than blood sport for hating the Ramseys, particularly Patsy.

I've been registered at WS because of my interest in another unrelated case for some time now, but hadn't ventured over to the Ramsey threads until Patsy's death. I left a post or two on a memorial thread, and was treated as julienne (? apologies if I've got that wrong) described. RDI's descended upon me and proceeded to "educate" me in the case, which was rather amusing, since all the posters I do recognize here, including the owner, I can well remember as "newbies" coming on long after I was well engrossed in the case. (IOW, it should have been obvious from my posts that I was plenty familiar with the facts of the case but had simply reached a different conclusion than the RDI's).

I've wrestled with whether to post here now or not because of the heavy RDI bent, but Karr is far too important an issue not to let all voices be heard on, wouldn't you agree? WS needs a balance, or it would become as you describe, merely a group patting each other on the back for holding the same opinion. For the moment, I think I'll stay and be a thorn in the sides of those who offer up sloppy thinking or bad evidence by countering it with clear thinking and solid evidence. Suggest you do the same. . .

 

[MrsMush99]

I think there are alot of IDI posters here. They are just not as vocal. I believe an intruder did it. Although I have already admitted on another thread that I do not have as much knowledge as most of the posters here, and am only in the middle of PMPT, and this is the first book I've read on the case, I am trying to find out as much information as I can on the case. And so far, I have found nothing to convince me that the Ramsey's are guilty.

 

[T Broodwater]

I absolutely agree with you . This is SO important and I couldn't have said it better.

I plan to hang back and do what I have to do and hopefully with a few good folks like yourself. I just felt I needed to speak up first. Why not? Someone should - it's rather ugly! And there are some sweet, sweet people in here.


By the way - I've owned my own forum (NEVER again) but just a little piece of advice - never trust your PM's!

 

[Linda7NJ]

TB,

I started posting on Ramsey internet message boards just months after JB's murder. I stayed literally on the fence with a completely open mind for several years, doing just what you're trying to do now. Finally I concluded based on fact, research, and logic that IDI was the only logical scenario. Eventually I stopped posting on Ramsey boards because it seemed they'd become not much more than blood sport for hating the Ramseys, particularly Patsy.

I've been registered at WS because of my interest in another unrelated case for some time now, but hadn't ventured over to the Ramsey threads until Patsy's death. I left a post or two on a memorial thread, and was treated as julienne (? apologies if I've got that wrong) described. RDI's descended upon me and proceeded to "educate" me in the case, which was rather amusing, since all the posters I do recognize here, including the owner, I can well remember as "newbies" coming on long after I was well engrossed in the case. (IOW, it should have been obvious from my posts that I was plenty familiar with the facts of the case but had simply reached a different conclusion than the RDI's).

I've wrestled with whether to post here now or not because of the heavy RDI bent, but Karr is far too important an issue not to let all voices be heard on, wouldn't you agree? WS needs a balance, or it would become as you describe, merely a group patting each other on the back for holding the same opinion. For the moment, I think I'll stay and be a thorn in the sides of those who offer up sloppy thinking or bad evidence by countering it with clear thinking and solid evidence. Suggest you do the same. . .

I am a RDI but had to say I think you made excellent points and ya did it well.......till ya got to the last sentence

 

[Maybe So]

I think there are alot of IDI posters here. They are just not as vocal. I believe an intruder did it. Although I have already admitted on another thread that I do not have as much knowledge as most of the posters here, and am only in the middle of PMPT, and this is the first book I've read on the case, I am trying to find out as much information as I can on the case. And so far, I have found nothing to convince me that the Ramsey's are guilty.

I feel the same way about the case. I am not convinced either way. It is hard to discuss some issues here when RDI posters often state some of the long standing RDI theories as absolute fact.

I also don't understand why IDI posters are called "Ramsey Supporters". Just because someone thinks that an intruder committing the crime is possible doesn't automatically mean they support everything said or done by the Ramseys.

 

[Tricia]

That you allow flaming and intolerance to any theories other that RDI?

I would have moved on easily. This place really has no room for theorizing and ideas swapping. I can't even SEE through the posts sent out like missles to immediately silence anyone and anything that doesn't fit with the RDI crowd.

Fine - Tricia thinks they did it - so why even bother allowing anyone else? because you get bored agreeing with each other and pattig each other on the back so let in people who debate and discuss so we can bait and attack?


This is so outright exactly how it is - you are all absolutely humoring yourselves if you even attempt to say this isn't how it is. I'll admit there are a very few RDI's out there that allow a debate or theory without throwing a bunch of bad unproven statements around like arsonal - but very few.


You want us out - Just say so! And don't say - you can not reqad what you want - that's a cop-out for not moderating properly.


Still on the fence TB

Excuse me? I allow people to discuss this case in a very broad way. Try going to another board and you will see. If I wanted to manipulate the forum I would but I would never consider it. You rarely see me post. I try not to interfere unless it is something drastic that I need to address.

 

[Louisa]

By the way - I've owned my own forum (NEVER again) but just a little piece of advice - never trust your PM's!

Sounds like there's a story behind that one, lol!

 

[tybee204]

Jeeze....wiping my brow and taking a deep breath....count to 10......another deep breath....

OK here it goes.

This is a forum. People come here and state their opinions. Nobody has to listen to your opinions and you are not obligated to listen to anyone elses. If someones opinion continuously annoys you WS offers a "ignore" feature so you never , ever , ever again have to read it. If a person does not like the level of conversation at Websleuths, finds it bothersome, etc well there are many many forums on the internet in which one might meet your needs.

All opinions are welcome here even ones you might now agree with. Your opinion has been welcome here and to my knowledge you havent been chastised by Staff for stating your opinon.

Had you payed attention you would be aware that although Tricia is firmly of the RDI opinion, the Moderators that man this board hour after freaken hour are either undecided or of the IDI opinion.

Mounting a giant whine fest about how unfair this Forum and Moderators are on WS just dosent wash given the reality of the above paragraph. Post dont post, read dont read, truthfully after a week of lost sleep, 9 million threads, negotiating mine fields, dealing with server overload and well you get the picture, Im not gonna get to ramped up because your feathers are ruffled.

 

[MrsMush99]

I feel the same way about the case. I am not convinced either way. It is hard to discuss some issues here when RDI posters often state some of the long standing RDI theories as absolute fact.

I also don't understand why IDI posters are called "Ramsey Supporters". Just because someone thinks that an intruder committing the crime is possible doesn't automatically mean they support everything said or done by the Ramseys.

I agree with what you are saying about the RDI theories being fact. I've always assumed that the palm print found was Melinda's. But since this case broke I have heard it stated more then once that the palm print as not been identified yet. One of those people who stated that was Bill Wise. So now what do I believe? I'm so confused it's driving me nutty!!! :crazy: I'm not saying Karr is the guy. And I'm hoping the DA has something concrete. But if not, I'm still not going with Patsy killing her. I may change my mind one day, but for now I think an intruder murdered JonBenet.

 

[Tricia]

Jeeze....wiping my brow and taking a deep breath....count to 10......another deep breath....

OK here it goes.

This is a forum. People come here and state their opinions. Nobody has to listen to your opinions and you are not obligated to listen to anyone elses. If someones opinion continuously annoys you WS offers a "ignore" feature so you never , ever , ever again have to read it. If a person does not like the level of conversation at Websleuths, finds it bothersome, etc well there are many many forums on the internet in which one might meet your needs.

All opinions are welcome here even ones you might now agree with. Your opinion has been welcome here and to my knowledge you havent been chastised by Staff for stating your opinon.

Had you payed attention you would be aware that although Tricia is firmly of the RDI opinion, the Moderators that man this board hour after freaken hour are either undecided or of the IDI opinion.

Mounting a giant whine fest about how unfair this Forum and Moderators are on WS just dosent wash given the reality of the above paragraph. Post dont post, read dont read, truthfully after a week of lost sleep, 9 million threads, negotiating mine fields, dealing with server overload and well you get the picture, Im not gonna get to ramped up because your feathers are ruffled.

Thanks Tybee. Very well put.

It is unbelievable to me when people come to WS, whine when they don't get their way, then post like this person did. Unfreaking believable.

 

[ragland]

i definately dont want to get shot in this BUT, i think hes right....it does need to be stated somewhere (probably the TOS) that you can bash ramseys but NOT other familys of victims. to the lay person thats quite confusing and if you dont read EVERY thread under JBR you wouldnt know thats the case. you would just watch everyone get to chew and hate and slaughter the ramsey family and you would think it was ok to take that to another case on WS. Im a fence rider too, mainly cause i would never want to believe a mother or father could do such at thing but i know it does happen. BUT, i think its a good idea to put it in the TOS that this is not a well balanced board, that you can get in trouble for bashing ANY other family but the ramseys. hes right it should be in big bold print where all can find it first thing and not just walk into a fist fight. i know in another case i post about here, the least lil bit happens and tybee is on em like stink on dog doo (good job tybee...lol) but i was greatly confused by the amount of hatred and personal attacks that are allowed here, its not the same on the rest of WS.

 

[MrsMush99]

In all fairness to Tricia, she did make a thread stating that this case was different. It's somewhere on this board, probably still on the first page.

 

[tybee204]

The difference here is the Ramseys have not been cleared of this crime. Although some believe they have no connection others believe they do.

An example is Scott Peterson. before he was arrested for the murder of his wife and son he was the next of kin. Victim or murderer? Should we not have discussed his connection or possible connection to the crime or discussed opinion on whether he did it or not before his arrest?
Janet Abaroa's husband? he is her next of kin, closest surviving family..is he off the table as a suspect in her murder?

The list can go on and on. Perry March for 10 years before his arrest, We continue to discuss whether Darlie Routiers husband was involved etc.

 

[Details]

Another one of these threads again - wheeeeee... "I'm not going to post here because people are mean!" "Just admit you don't want me on here!" Sorry, but I feel these posts are most often an attempt to get either special treatment or ego boosting pleas to stay.


And - search the posts - I'm an IDI who spends a lot of time defending the Ramsey's actions. I can read a lot of emotion behind the posts of some RDIs - some few of which even seem quite personally offended and angry that someone doesn't recognize the obvious guilt and evil of the Ramseys - but the lines are being held - you address the post, even attack the post (based on facts) - but not the poster - it sure seems to apply to my posts, and I'm pretty sure I've got a few ticked off people replying to me.

 

[Texana]

I am on the fence, and I've always felt welcome here. Yes, the RDI folks are more vocal, but that is how it is when you feel strongly that someone is guilty of a crime and justice has not been done.

 

[ragland]

i can see what you guys are saying and yes i know about the thread that tricia put out about this being different than other parts of WS....but what if i just didnt read that part and took my experience in the JBR threads and went elsewhere and posted the same type stuff...oh its late i dont think im making any sense but my point is just this, im stayin...like it er not..lol. i just think it should be in the TOS somewhere close to where it says ( i believe it does) that no family or victim bashing is tolerated. it should be clear that it does not include the ramseys. and im not that fond of the ramseys myself, but i dont know how i feel about whether they did it or not.

 

[WhiteWolf]

Some victims' families put themselves into the "public figure" catagory by putting themselves on all of the news shows and writing books to push their point. This makes them fair game for public comment.

 

[T Broodwater]

Another one of these threads again - wheeeeee... "I'm not going to post here because people are mean!" "Just admit you don't want me on here!" Sorry, but I feel these posts are most often an attempt to get either special treatment or ego boosting pleas to stay.


And - search the posts - I'm an IDI who spends a lot of time defending the Ramsey's actions. I can read a lot of emotion behind the posts of some RDIs - some few of which even seem quite personally offended and angry that someone doesn't recognize the obvious guilt and evil of the Ramseys - but the lines are being held - you address the post, even attack the post (based on facts) - but not the poster - it sure seems to apply to my posts, and I'm pretty sure I've got a few ticked off people replying to me.

Sounds like you've been beaten down! sorry

 

[tybee204]

We dont allow bashing of Victims families when they have been cleared of the crime or like the Holloways were not even near Aruba. No one has been cleared of this crime. This forum is really not much different other then ove rthe years it has become more polorized. When a crime occurs we discuss all angles on WS and the suspects.