Why GJ Likely Solved Case In 1999

[otg]

Is it possible that Mary Lacy actually does believe that the Ramseys are innocent?

Yes.

Or is that too far fetched?

Hanlon's razor states:
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

 

[midwest mama]

Don't you think if the R's would have tried to cut a deal with the DA a few days after JB's death, putting it onto BR, that they would have gone through all that they did, maybe even more so? Even if AH would have let them off the hook, their public disgrace over creating a phony kidnapping right down to leaving a RN and getting BPD so wrapped up would have ended everything publicly for them anyway. No, I think they had to play it out the way they did - no concrete evidence against anyone that way.

I agree that the GJ must have been giving BDI a pass, based on the evidence they saw, and instead were allowing for the fact that one of the parents did bear the ultimate responsibility for her death. Their vote to indict on the charges they stated was based on PROBABLE CAUSE. If AH would have been willing to prosecute, by the time they got to trial, the charges could have been far worse, and more defined.

If there was evidence enough that BDI was JB's killer, I would think the GJ would have brought no vote to indict. Because there was a gag order, it would have been easy for them to walk out without ever having to give a reason why they had no indictment. They simply would have declared there was insufficient evidence presented to arrive at a decision to bring charges against anyone at that time.

And also, why would ML in 2006 go through with the JMK fiasco if it was known behind closed doors that BDI? I can't believe her payoff would have been big enough to do that. She took a massive hit to her credibility.

I never thought I'd ever have to backtrack on myself, but in order to share some things with otg, I'll comment on my Bolded Remarks above:

Yes - they did vote to indict both the parents, and what I probably should have said is that since they could not tie BR to the evidence, and they were not certain which one of the parents must have been responsible for the evidence they did see, they voted to indict both of them.

Tell me, otg, because I don't recall reading your opinion on this, do you think if BR is responsible, he pulled the ligature tight enough to strangle JB as well as dealt the head blow? Or do you think it possible BR just did the head blow, and one or the other R had to tighten the ligature? Or have you formed an opinion about the ligature as yet?

And, if they saw evidence that BR was the killer, and knew he could not be charged, since there was a gag order, the GJ simply needed to declare to HUNTER that they saw no evidence that allowed them to bring forth an indictment. Yes, Hunter still would have made his public statement, in clear conscience, and we wouldn't have heard another peep.

You could be totally right about ML not knowing what the GJ told Hunter, and her being a Dunce! eace: but I thought I read somewhere that if a True Bill is issued, it goes into record. Even if Hunter didn't sign off, and then gave his declaration about no charges, wouldn't the vote get entered into record, which ML surely would have known about?? Lots of people think her a very dim bulb, for sure, so if she went ahead and did the JMK thing with enough case evidence knowledge that it was possible BDI, then
let me be the first to chip in :twocents: towards a dunce hat!

 

[Chrishope]

So how long after they reported the kidnapping and found that JonBenet was dead would anyone have known to tell them, “Ya know, if BDI, he couldn’t be charged with it because he was three weeks shy of being held criminally responsible.” Why would anyone think to tell them that? There was no evidence of it at that time. And since they created the IDI scenario and altered the crime scene, they were already up to their necks in felony charges if they had admitted their part in a cover-up. So at whatever point they might have found out that BR couldn’t be charged, they stuck with their story because it already looked like there wasn’t enough evidence to get anyone into a courtroom.

If the phone calls, for which the records have disappeared, were to lawyers, I suspect they'd have known that info in the wee hours of the 26th - were it relevant.

But let's say they didn't know, hence the staging. They lawyered up immediately and they would have had to discuss things with the lawyers. And the lawyers would have questions. Of course it's possible they lied to their lawyers, but assuming it was in their best interests to tell what really happened, then certainly JRs lawyer and PRs lawyer know the truth - if it's BDI. (They probably know the truth no matter what the solution is) Of course attorney-client privilege will prevent the truth from coming out, though the privilege is exercised by the client -IOWs, the client may tell, or allow the lawyer to tell.

So the answer is - within a day or two, if the facts indicated BDI, their lawyers would have thought to mention the fact that BR couldn't be charged.

I'm out of time now, I'll try to respond to the remainder as soon as I can.

Who’s to say that there wasn’t some sort of a meeting, or a discussion at least, about exactly what you describe between the R’s and Hunter? Isn’t that just about exactly what happened at some point? Except that if Hunter knew the truth, he might not want to share that information with BPD or anyone else. He had already learned by that time that anything he tells someone can very easily end up in headlines at the tabs once he confides in someone. So he could have just made the decision not to push it and let it play out until people lost interest and the whole thing just blew over.

But it didn’t.



The damage to their reputation because of speculation is less (IMO to them) than what it would be if the truth were to come out. And the longer they let it go on, the worse it would be if it did come out. But speculation about BDI is still minimized, unless it becomes public in a way they can send LW after. So far, they seem not to be able to go after Kolar because of how careful he was in dancing around the issue without really stating what he makes obvious.

 

[Darlene733510]

I believe that the decision to indict both parents was because of child neglect. Their decision came the next day after BR testified. If this was a BDI, the GJ may have decided the parents were at fault for not getting psychological help for BR. The GJ probably had a lot more info that we know nothing about. People may have testified about BR and we don't know what they said.

Letting JB be a victim of sexual molestation would give the GJ another reason to indict the parents.

The case took a huge turn once LS came aboard with his IDI theory, and both parents jumped on his bandwagon. JR started that theory, and LS took advantage of it. That would have taken all 3 R's out of the picture, but it didn't work as far as the GJ is concerned. Once they knew BR could not be charged they thought they were home free, and must have been astonished when the GJ indictment came down.

I agree with DeeDee249 - Because BR was the guilty one, and could not be charged, they knew they could just go on with life, and not be ostracized, or face the shame of raising a Son who ended his Sister's life.

 

[Chrishope]

So how long after they reported the kidnapping and found that JonBenet was dead would anyone have known to tell them, “Ya know, if BDI, he couldn’t be charged with it because he was three weeks shy of being held criminally responsible.” Why would anyone think to tell them that? There was no evidence of it at that time. And since they created the IDI scenario and altered the crime scene, they were already up to their necks in felony charges if they had admitted their part in a cover-up. So at whatever point they might have found out that BR couldn’t be charged, they stuck with their story because it already looked like there wasn’t enough evidence to get anyone into a courtroom.



Who’s to say that there wasn’t some sort of a meeting, or a discussion at least, about exactly what you describe between the R’s and Hunter? Isn’t that just about exactly what happened at some point? Except that if Hunter knew the truth, he might not want to share that information with BPD or anyone else. He had already learned by that time that anything he tells someone can very easily end up in headlines at the tabs once he confides in someone. So he could have just made the decision not to push it and let it play out until people lost interest and the whole thing just blew over.

But it didn’t.

It's possible such a meeting happened. If it were done within days I don't see why there'd be much concern with the tabs. It seems, to me at least, almost impossible to fuel negative speculation more than with the course of action taken.

The damage to their reputation because of speculation is less (IMO to them) than what it would be if the truth were to come out. And the longer they let it go on, the worse it would be if it did come out. But speculation about BDI is still minimized, unless it becomes public in a way they can send LW after. So far, they seem not to be able to go after Kolar because of how careful he was in dancing around the issue without really stating what he makes obvious.

I'm a bit confused. It it really was BDI, the truth would never come out - except in speculative/tabloid form. The police could quietly wind down the investigation, and the DA could say there is insufficient evidence to view JR/PR as suspects - or something to that effect.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I'm a bit confused. It it really was BDI, the truth would never come out - except in speculative/tabloid form. The police could quietly wind down the investigation, and the DA could say there is insufficient evidence to view JR/PR as suspects - or something to that effect.

Imagine it is December 26 or right after....At that point, the R's might not have even been thinking about any potential media circus, but just how their friends and family would view them after something like this happened. They were social climbers, who definitely cared about their reputation. A random person in another state wouldn't know what Burke did, but it seems likely that the information would come out amongst people who knew them or knew of them. People gossip, secret are revealed, etc all the time. All it takes is one person "in the know" to tell another person...and it spreads from there. So if the R's admitted Burke did it shortly after the murder, it would have never been a high-profile case at all, but I think there would have been "many" people who still knew the truth.

Another thing is...If the R's didn't know at the time of the crime that Burke was too young to be charged, and they helped with the coverup, well, are they just going to admit days later that they actually did strangle their daughter? The only way they could tell LE what happened, if BDI, is if the only thing they did was write the RN. Are they going to say, "We found our daughter unconscious from blunt force trauma...so then we strangled her until she was dead" Of course not...

 

[questfortrue]

PR and JR perhaps were responsible for the ligature. A lot of people tend to think so, though guess any of the 3 of them could have done that. But PR and JR made their decision and they were “all in”. I know that they were accustomed to presenting themselves as perfect, and PR accustomed to brushing things away she should have been paying attention to, but to neglect a basic duty of a parent to honor their beautiful child by seeking medical help, overriding embarrassment and shock at this situation, still remains unbelievable to me. They claimed they loved JB. Then they were ready to fly the coop for a sudden business trip to Georgia. Not even accompanying JB’s body to the morgue. IDK this whole flight away doesn’t portray either of the R’s as just “loving parents” who want the best for their son and need to control their own image. (JB was yesterday’s importance.) It portrays them in the most shallow terms I can dredge up. MHO

This is where BDI stumbles a bit for me, not because BR was too young to have inflicted that blow. I think he was probably strong enough in the right circumstances, and not because there’s really no documented evidence of BR and SBP. It’s because BR is sent to the Whites, perhaps to be picked up later, perhaps to be sent on a plane later. Weren’t they afraid BR might let something slip? If they weren’t afraid at all about this, it tells me of an enormous control of BR. Maybe someone planted a significant fear into him. (From Kolar’s book BR did act, according to his young friend who accompanied him to the funeral, like ”he kind of knew what happened and trusted that people would find out.” ) But also, according to his friend, BR wasn’t ever afraid or anxious, just a little confused sometimes.

 

[Chrishope]

Imagine it is December 26 or right after....At that point, the R's might not have even been thinking about any potential media circus, but just how their friends and family would view them after something like this happened. They were social climbers, who definitely cared about their reputation. A random person in another state wouldn't know what Burke did, but it seems likely that the information would come out amongst people who knew them or knew of them. People gossip, secret are revealed, etc all the time. All it takes is one person "in the know" to tell another person...and it spreads from there. So if the R's admitted Burke did it shortly after the murder, it would have never been a high-profile case at all, but I think there would have been "many" people who still knew the truth.

I agree. That's kind of what I was getting at. The people who are close to them would know anyway, or strongly suspect. Nothing they can do about that. But they could have kept it from becoming high profile.

Another thing is...If the R's didn't know at the time of the crime that Burke was too young to be charged, and they helped with the coverup, well, are they just going to admit days later that they actually did strangle their daughter? The only way they could tell LE what happened, if BDI, is if the only thing they did was write the RN. Are they going to say, "We found our daughter unconscious from blunt force trauma...so then we strangled her until she was dead" Of course not...

No, of course not. I'm not suggesting they would, in that scenario. I'm talking about a BDI scenario in which BR did the garrotting.

I've never felt that garrotting her was a believable response to finding JBR unconscious, at least not unless both adults were also involved in the prior molestation - which I doubt.

 

[otg]

I never thought I'd ever have to backtrack on myself, but in order to share some things with otg, I'll comment on my Bolded Remarks above:

Yes - they did vote to indict both the parents, and what I probably should have said is that since they could not tie BR to the evidence, and they were not certain which one of the parents must have been responsible for the evidence they did see, they voted to indict both of them.

Tell me, otg, because I don't recall reading your opinion on this, do you think if BR is responsible, he pulled the ligature tight enough to strangle JB as well as dealt the head blow? Or do you think it possible BR just did the head blow, and one or the other R had to tighten the ligature? Or have you formed an opinion about the ligature as yet?

I think BR is responsible for everything that caused her death. I don’t think he “pulled the ligature tight enough to strangle” her, because I don’t see that as how it happened. Nor do I think one of the parents could have done that. The marks on her neck tell a different story altogether from an intentional strangulation or “garroting” (as so many like to refer to it).

I won’t go into the entire explanation again here. I’ve never posted an entire theory on the “Members’ Theories” thread because I’ve still been trying to decide on some of the details. I wanted to know what caused the skull fractures, and I hope sometime soon to write about why Dr. Lucy was wrong about the length of time between the head blow and her death. But I outlined what I think is the sequence of events that led up to her death in [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9510484#post9510484"]this post[/ame].

Everything in that sequence of events fits with what actual evidence we know -- the marks on her neck, the skull fractures, and the genital injuries -- and it explains how her death occurred. It doesn’t try to explain motives or why someone might have done one thing or another. The only speculation is who I think the evidence points to as responsible for it because of who I think most likely to have done these kind of things. If I try to place either one of the parents into the same set of circumstances, it just doesn’t work. But the evidence tells me that this is how it happened.

And, if they saw evidence that BR was the killer, and knew he could not be charged, since there was a gag order, the GJ simply needed to declare to HUNTER that they saw no evidence that allowed them to bring forth an indictment. Yes, Hunter still would have made his public statement, in clear conscience, and we wouldn't have heard another peep.

I don’t know that that was the conclusion that the GJ reached, but a lot seems to point to it. If they did decide it looked like a minor was responsible, I don’t think Hunter (or Kane) would have told them until then that a minor couldn’t be charged or even named because of Colorado statutes. But at that point, it would still be unresolved, because they might have felt the parents should ultimately be held responsible. That would explain their finding against the parents which put Hunter in the hot seat. Should he pursue charges in court without enough evidence that could be used and take a chance on it becoming obvious what was being avoided? Or should he just make a public statement that there was not enough evidence to indict anyone and hope the whole thing was forgotten? He chose the latter, but the public just wouldn’t let it be forgotten.

You could be totally right about ML not knowing what the GJ told Hunter, and her being a Dunce! eace: but I thought I read somewhere that if a True Bill is issued, it goes into record. Even if Hunter didn't sign off, and then gave his declaration about no charges, wouldn't the vote get entered into record, which ML surely would have known about?? Lots of people think her a very dim bulb, for sure, so if she went ahead and did the JMK thing with enough case evidence knowledge that it was possible BDI, then
let me be the first to chip in :twocents: towards a dunce hat!

I don’t know what “record” it might have gone into, but yes the GJ proceedings are recorded, but they are sealed and the gag order is still in place. Lacy should have had access to that, but maybe she thought (if she looked at it at all) that the GJ was just wrong. When the future Alexis Reich came along, it might have seemed like the perfect way to “resolve” the case. But of course, we all know how that turned out, and we both seem to have the same "high regard" for "Peekaboo" Lacy.

 

[otg]

If the phone calls, for which the records have disappeared, were to lawyers, I suspect they'd have known that info in the wee hours of the 26th - were it relevant.

That’s a big “IF”. And we’ll never know the answer to that “if”. But I agree that if there were phone calls to lawyers, or doctors, or any of the friends who showed up (or didn’t show up) that morning, things would be different.

But let's say they didn't know, hence the staging. They lawyered up immediately and they would have had to discuss things with the lawyers. And the lawyers would have questions. Of course it's possible they lied to their lawyers, but assuming it was in their best interests to tell what really happened, then certainly JRs lawyer and PRs lawyer know the truth - if it's BDI. (They probably know the truth no matter what the solution is) Of course attorney-client privilege will prevent the truth from coming out, though the privilege is exercised by the client -IOWs, the client may tell, or allow the lawyer to tell.

So the answer is - within a day or two, if the facts indicated BDI, their lawyers would have thought to mention the fact that BR couldn't be charged.

I'm out of time now, I'll try to respond to the remainder as soon as I can.

Sometimes lawyers don’t want to “know the truth”. If they do, it presents them with the dilemma of protecting their client as they are instructed to do from that client, or acting as they are required to do as “an officer of the court”. As “an officer of the court” (if you’ve ever noticed in a trial), if a lawyer involved in the proceedings is ever called to testify, they do not take an oath. Most judges will explain to a jury why that is, but sometimes it just goes unnoticed.

If the R’s did come clean and explain everything to their lawyers, the lawyers may have recognized that the parents were culpable in their alteration of the evidence, and decided to go with waiting to see what the DA decided to do before trying to make some kind of a plea deal with Alex “Monty Hall” Hunter. IOW, why cop a plea if the authorities don't have the goods?

 

[otg]

It's possible such a meeting happened. If it were done within days I don't see why there'd be much concern with the tabs. It seems, to me at least, almost impossible to fuel negative speculation more than with the course of action taken.

If such a meeting did take place, I don’t think it would have been within days. It probably would have been long after it had become the public spectacle that it was, and long after they had even committed more to the lie of their involvement. And by that time Hunter, the R’s, and each of the lawyers involved all knew he didn’t have a case he could go to trial with.

I'm a bit confused. It it really was BDI, the truth would never come out - except in speculative/tabloid form. The police could quietly wind down the investigation, and the DA could say there is insufficient evidence to view JR/PR as suspects - or something to that effect.

Isn’t that what happened, except for Hunter naming JR/PR as suspects? Instead he simply said there was insufficient evidence to bring charges against anyone. And then when Hunter agreed to sign the statement (with his strategic alterations) that BR was not a suspect, Wood had free reign to go after any tabloid that speculated about him, knowing that the GJ proceedings would not be revealed.

 

[Chrishope]

That’s a big “IF”. And we’ll never know the answer to that “if”. But I agree that if there were phone calls to lawyers, or doctors, or any of the friends who showed up (or didn’t show up) that morning, things would be different.


Sometimes lawyers don’t want to “know the truth”. If they do, it presents them with the dilemma of protecting their client as they are instructed to do from that client, or acting as they are required to do as “an officer of the court”. As “an officer of the court” (if you’ve ever noticed in a trial), if a lawyer involved in the proceedings is ever called to testify, they do not take an oath. Most judges will explain to a jury why that is, but sometimes it just goes unnoticed.

If the R’s did come clean and explain everything to their lawyers, the lawyers may have recognized that the parents were culpable in their alteration of the evidence, and decided to go with waiting to see what the DA decided to do before trying to make some kind of a plea deal with Alex “Monty Hall” Hunter. IOW, why cop a plea if the authorities don't have the goods?

Any lawyer would rather know the truth. He (or she) needs to know what his client is up against. His duties as an officer of the court do not create any conflict, as you seem to be suggesting. The lawyer is required to represent the client zealously.

I wasn't really imagining them copping a plea and taking a penalty, though I suppose it was possible. I was thinking of curtailing the circus and effectively putting the investigation on hold j- e.g. making it go away as quietly as possible. Part of the rationale of BDI is that the Rs were trying to protect their reputation. It's hard to imagine how they could have done any more damage to their rep than the way they proceeded - unless of course one or both are guilty of something more serious, such as applying the garrotte. The Rs were on track to be indicted. That's serious stuff. I'd think they'd try to avoid that, especially if the evidence supported BDI - with BR doing all the bad stuff.

 

[Chrishope]

If such a meeting did take place, I don’t think it would have been within days. It probably would have been long after it had become the public spectacle that it was, and long after they had even committed more to the lie of their involvement. And by that time Hunter, the R’s, and each of the lawyers involved all knew he didn’t have a case he could go to trial with.

If it were a possibility I'd think the sooner the better.

Isn’t that what happened, except for Hunter naming JR/PR as suspects? Instead he simply said there was insufficient evidence to bring charges against anyone. And then when Hunter agreed to sign the statement (with his strategic alterations) that BR was not a suspect, Wood had free reign to go after any tabloid that speculated about him, knowing that the GJ proceedings would not be revealed.

That's pretty much what happened, but that's not all that happened. They went through years of being prime suspects, having all the world openly wondering if the killed their daughter, and a lot of people still end up thinking BDI. Again if their purpose was to protect their rep., it's hard to see how the could have handled it any worse - unless of course it's not BDI, or not exclusively BDI.

 

[Nom de plume]

Any lawyer would rather know the truth. He (or she) needs to know what his client is up against. His duties as an officer of the court do not create any conflict, as you seem to be suggesting. The lawyer is required to represent the client zealously.

I wasn't really imagining them copping a plea and taking a penalty, though I suppose it was possible. I was thinking of curtailing the circus and effectively putting the investigation on hold j- e.g. making it go away as quietly as possible. Part of the rationale of BDI is that the Rs were trying to protect their reputation. It's hard to imagine how they could have done any more damage to their rep than the way they proceeded - unless of course one or both are guilty of something more serious, such as applying the garrotte. The Rs were on track to be indicted. That's serious stuff. I'd think they'd try to avoid that, especially if the evidence supported BDI - with BR doing all the bad stuff.

ITA Chrishope! When I really think about it, what was there to stop them from throwing BR under the bus (privately of course)? They threw everyone else under the bus! It was obvious they didn't care that much for their daughter (attempted flight to ATL with their dead child still on the floor), so why would I think they cared any more for their son?

Even some BDIs seem to think the parents covered for him to save their own reputation. I don't see either of them as the type to sacrifice themselves for either of their children. :moo:

 

[Chrishope]

ITA Chrishope! When I really think about it, what was there to stop them from throwing BR under the bus (privately of course)? They threw everyone else under the bus! It was obvious they didn't care that much for their daughter (attempted flight to ATL with their dead child still on the floor), so why would I think they cared any more for their son?

Even some BDIs seem to think the parents covered for him to save their own reputation. I don't see either of them as the type to sacrifice themselves for either of their children. :moo:

I wouldn't put it past them, but I'm not making that accusation. I wasn't clear at the outset that I'm talking about "pure BDI" as opposed to BDI along with one of the adults applying the garrotte. It just seems to me that the whole matter could have gone away quietly - well, as quietly as possible- if BR really did it, all of it. Within in hours, certainly within days, they'd have known BR couldn't be charged.

 

[midwest mama]

I wouldn't put it past them, but I'm not making that accusation. I wasn't clear at the outset that I'm talking about "pure BDI" as opposed to BDI along with one of the adults applying the garrotte. It just seems to me that the whole matter could have gone away quietly - well, as quietly as possible- if BR really did it, all of it. Within in hours, certainly within days, they'd have known BR couldn't be charged.

IMHO it was either BDI completely (minus RN), or none of it. If completely, what would be the most likely time of discovery?

Early morning - could there be enough time to gather up everything and create the RN?

During the night - would he have gone to get one of his parents, or maybe something discovered if PR had gone to awaken JB at midnite for a potty run? That might explain the Ramsey date of death: 12-1-25-96.

I tend to agree they would call Dr. Beuf, lawyers, etc to get more validation and information. No need for them to take the wrap. The kid is simply hauled away in an ambulance, with JB going out in the coroner's ambulance. What parent in their right mind would think they should keep a child as ill as BR would have been in their home under their wing without fear he might have tried to kill them too?

The Ramsey spin team would have taken care of burying that whole incident as deep as possible, and a tragic story like that would be remembered with empathy for the entire family. Not to speak of how much money not only the R's would have been spared, but the citizens of CO.

 

[Chrishope]

IMHO it was either BDI completely (minus RN), or none of it. If completely, what would be the most likely time of discovery?

Early morning - could there be enough time to gather up everything and create the RN?

During the night - would he have gone to get one of his parents, or maybe something discovered if PR had gone to awaken JB at midnite for a potty run? That might explain the Ramsey date of death: 12-1-25-96.

There's no way to know. We know there's approx. 2 hours digestion time for the pineapple, so we know she didn't die at say 5am.

I tend to feel that the thinking took more time than the acting. The practice note indicates some time and thought was put into the finished product. Gathering items and dumping them, along with the body, in the WC would not have taken much time.

I tend to agree they would call Dr. Beuf, lawyers, etc to get more validation and information. No need for them to take the wrap. The kid is simply hauled away in an ambulance, with JB going out in the coroner's ambulance. What parent in their right mind would think they should keep a child as ill as BR would have been in their home under their wing without fear he might have tried to kill them too?

The Ramsey spin team would have taken care of burying that whole incident as deep as possible, and a tragic story like that would be remembered with empathy for the entire family. Not to speak of how much money not only the R's would have been spared, but the citizens of CO.

Well we know they lawyered up quickly, so it's difficult to believe they didn't know that BR was beyond prosecution within days, if not hours.

Since the phone records can't be had, it makes us suspicious that calls were made that would look suspicious. Of course we don't really know that, it's just our natural suspicion kicking in.

I agree if it was pure BDI they'd have wanted to get him in a mental hospital, at least for a while.

 

[UKGuy]

There's no way to know. We know there's approx. 2 hours digestion time for the pineapple, so we know she didn't die at say 5am.

I tend to feel that the thinking took more time than the acting. The practice note indicates some time and thought was put into the finished product. Gathering items and dumping them, along with the body, in the WC would not have taken much time.



Well we know they lawyered up quickly, so it's difficult to believe they didn't know that BR was beyond prosecution within days, if not hours.

Since the phone records can't be had, it makes us suspicious that calls were made that would look suspicious. Of course we don't really know that, it's just our natural suspicion kicking in.

I agree if it was pure BDI they'd have wanted to get him in a mental hospital, at least for a while.

Chrishope,
Well obviouslythat could not be done without raising suspicion, so they removed him from the house.

Nobody noticed, nobody cared, and JR intended flying interstate ASAP, what does that tell you?

.

 

[Venom]

(bbm)


I don't have a copy of PMPT. Does anyone who does have a copy know the inititals of the names of people BlueCrab was referring to here? I'm thinking it was DS and FW3, but I wouldn't want to assume it.

(I know... I really need to buy and e-book version so I can search.)

I just got a copy of PMPT this week at a used book store, I've searched the index and can't find anything.

Edited to add: Have been looking at BlueCrab's posts, could DS be Doug Stine??

 

[Chrishope]

My copy of PMPT doesn't even have an index.

I have to use this http://thewebsafe.tripod.com/02181999pmpt-index.htm