Why hasn't there been an arrest?

[eileenhawkeye]

Honestly...LE doesn't really care what the public thinks about a case in terms of media coverage, unless it could benefit them in the case. In Lisa's case, it wouldn't really matter if they did or didn't proclaim that they thought Lisa was no longer alive. Even if they did announce that they thought that Lisa was gone, there would still be people who wouldn't agree and would continue to look.

I can't think of any case where LE kept the case alive in the media for months. Usually, it's the media wants the details, so LE is pretty much forced to hold press conferences, issue news releases, etc. Once the media packs up and leaves town, LE will rarely do things to keep the case in the news.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Honestly...LE doesn't really care what the public thinks about a case in terms of media coverage, unless it could benefit them in the case. In Lisa's case, it wouldn't really matter if they did or didn't proclaim that they thought Lisa was no longer alive. Even if they did announce that they thought that Lisa was gone, there would still be people who wouldn't agree and would continue to look.

I disagree. I believe that it's very important for LE to inform the public if a missing person is no longer a missing person but a homicide victim. Like I've said in the past , they don't have to reveal any information that could impede their investigation, but letting the public know that there is no reason to keep a look out for a missing child is common sense to me.

If people disregard a LE announcement that they have solid evidence of Lisa's death, then that's their prerogative. If LE gets tips that make little sense, they can ignore them. I'm sure that's how it works in most cases. JMO.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

That wasn't what I was saying at all. My point was that I don't think LE cares enough to make an announcement that they believe Lisa is dead, because they aren't receiving any (or barely any) sightings. It's not a nuisance. They aren't spending money and resources to check out any sightings.

I'm confused with your response. Your saying in this post that LE is not making an announcement that they believe Lisa is dead because they aren't receiving any sightings. Sightings/tips same thing to me. It shouldn't matter. If LE has solid evidence that Lisa is dead, in my opinion they should make that public knowledge.

 

[SyraKelly]

Does anyone have a pic of the back of the Irwin's house handy?TIA

 

[krimekat]

Unfortunately, I picture Lisa and Madeline playing together too with a lot of other missing kids, but not anywhere on this earth...

Not unfortunately IMHO and respectfully, some kids don't have a chance on this planet in this plane from the start. It is what it is . . .

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Does anyone have a pic of the back of the Irwin's house handy?TIA

Is this what your looking for?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Here's a floor plan of the house if that helps.

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[SyraKelly]

Thank you so much Ranch-I actually was looking to see if they had a back porch with grass underneath it and they do-after watching the Carnel case-I am wondering if Lisa is possibly buried under it--LE missed him for 7 days & they had dogs to!!!-Could this be the reason DB did not want to go look in the backyard???HMMM

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Thank you so much Ranch-I actually was looking to see if they had a back porch with grass underneath it and they do-after watching the Carnel case-I am wondering if Lisa is possibly buried under it--LE missed him for 7 days & they had dogs to!!!-Could this be the reason DB did not want to go look in the backyard???HMMM

I'm not familiar with the Carnel case, but I would hope that Lisa would have been found if she was buried in the backyard.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I'm confused with your response. Your saying in this post that LE is not making an announcement that they believe Lisa is dead because they aren't receiving any sightings. Sightings/tips same thing to me. It shouldn't matter. If LE has solid evidence that Lisa is dead, in my opinion they should make that public knowledge.

You originally said: "It would benefit the public if they made an announcement saying that they have solid evidence that Lisa's dead. People would no longer be on the lookout for her."

My response: People might be looking for Lisa, but they aren't calling any sightings in. LE is not using money or resources to follow up on them. So why would they care enough to make an announcement? You might think it would be a good idea, but from LE's POV, it won't make a difference. And it will just put the case back in the news, which LE probably doesn't want.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

You originally said: "It would benefit the public if they made an announcement saying that they have solid evidence that Lisa's dead. People would no longer be on the lookout for her."

My response: People might be looking for Lisa, but they aren't calling any sightings in. LE is not using money or resources to follow up on them. So why would they care enough to make an announcement? You might think it would be a good idea, but from LE's POV, it won't make a difference. And it will just put the case back in the news, which LE probably doesn't want.

BBM
Now this really confuses me. Why would LE not want this case back in the news?

 

[norest4thewicked]

I disagree. I believe that it's very important for LE to inform the public if a missing person is no longer a missing person but a homicide victim. Like I've said in the past , they don't have to reveal any information that could impede their investigation, but letting the public know that there is no reason to keep a look out for a missing child is common sense to me.

If people disregard a LE announcement that they have solid evidence of Lisa's death, then that's their prerogative. If LE gets tips that make little sense, they can ignore them. I'm sure that's how it works in most cases. JMO.

I can understand why you would disagree. I was just telling you how much of LE views things, especially if the parents will not talk to them. After all, this is not the only case that LE has to work on. And, they surely wouldn't announce that Lisa is a homicide victim because it hasn't been proven that Lisa died at the hands of someone in or out of the home. Many people think that it was an accident that happened through negligence or just an accident that was covered up in the heat of the moment. And, before I get versed on homicide is or isn't, I am referring to homicide as one of the parents or both plotting to kill Lisa.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

BBM
Now this really confuses me. Why would LE not want this case back in the news?

Well, if LE thinks Lisa is dead, AND they think a parent was involved, what good will media attention do? How will the public help to solve the case then? If you can help, you already know about about the case. The media will just put pressure on them to solve the case, and criticism if they don't. Why do we rarely see LE push for media coverage after the initial frenzy?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Well, if LE thinks Lisa is dead, AND they think a parent was involved, what good will media attention do? How will the public help to solve the case then? If you can help, you already know about about the case. The media will just put pressure on them to solve the case, and criticism if they don't. Why do we rarely see LE push for media coverage after the initial frenzy?

I haven't seen much media promotion by LE in this case at all. What am I to make of that? That certain people are guilty of a crime? Or certain people are innocent? I don't believe that LE has told us enough to decide who is guilty or who is innocent. JMO.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I haven't seen much media promotion by LE in this case at all. What am I to make of that? That certain people are guilty of a crime? Or certain people are innocent? I don't believe that LE has told us enough to decide who is guilty or who is innocent. JMO.

In the first two months, D&J and their lawyers were all over the media, so LE didn't have to put much effort into getting coverage for the case, even if they thought it would be beneficial. I don't think being part of a high-profile case is something LE across the country covet, no matter who they think the perpetrator is. Look at the Mickey Shunick case, where she was obviously kidnapped by a non-family member, and LE has only held one press conference.

LE making the announcement that the parents weren't cooperating tells me where they stand with the parents. You don't put that out in the media about parents you think might be innocent; That will (and did) horribly affect their reputation. And what about LE trying to extract a confession from Deborah, according to her? Or telling her she failed the lie detector? That doesn't seem like a way you would treat an innocent, grieving mother.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

In the first two months, D&J and their lawyers were all over the media, so LE didn't have to put much effort into getting coverage for the case, even if they thought it would be beneficial. I don't think being part of a high-profile case is something LE across the country covet, no matter who they think the perpetrator is. Look at the Mickey Shunick case, where she was obviously kidnapped by a non-family member, and LE has only held one press conference.

LE making the announcement that the parents weren't cooperating tells me where they stand with the parents. You don't put that out in the media about parents you think might be innocent; That will (and did) horribly affect their reputation. And what about LE trying to extract a confession from Deborah, according to her? Or telling her she failed the lie detector? That doesn't seem like a way you would treat an innocent, grieving mother.

BBM
You may be right Eileen. LE could have had a bad opinion about Jeremy and Debbie from the very beginning. And maybe that prejudiced them somewhat. And that attitude spread from them to the media. And from them to the general public. And here we are.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

BBM
You may be right Eileen. LE could have had a bad opinion about Jeremy and Debbie from the very beginning. And maybe that prejudiced them somewhat. And that attitude spread from them to the media. And from them to the general public. And here we are.

There are three things that destroyed the parent's reputation in the media, and thus with the public. They are:

1. LE announcing that the parents weren't cooperating, and the parents saying that LE was treating them horribly.

2. Deborah telling everyone that she was drunk that night.

3. The (rumored) national media deal...especially when the Anthony trial had just ended, and we know that ABC gave money to Casey that went to her defense.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

There are three things that destroyed the parent's reputation in the media, and thus with the public. They are:

1. LE announcing that the parents weren't cooperating, and the parents saying that LE was treating them horribly.

2. Deborah telling everyone that she was drunk that night.

3. The (rumored) national media deal...especially when the Anthony trial had just ended, and we know that ABC gave money to Casey that went to her defense.

I'm part of the public, but I'm not the media.

1. I'm not so sure that's a bad thing. When government forces people to do what it wants against the peoples wishes, we have a big problem.

2. Getting drunk that night was not a good idea. Telling the truth about it later on was good.

3. Rumors about big money deals with TV networks don't belong here. Just because people are angry about Casey doesn't mean they should take it out on others.

JMO.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I'm part of the public, but I'm not the media.

1. I'm not so sure that's a bad thing. When government forces people to do what it wants against the peoples wishes, we have a big problem.

2. Getting drunk that night was not a good idea. Telling the truth about it later on was good.

3. Rumors about big money deals with TV networks don't belong here. Just because people are angry about Casey doesn't mean they should take it out on others.

JMO.

I don't think your views on the three issues I brought up are the views of the majority of people who follow the case. The media deal is still mentioned today, so many people do think it has a place here. The fact that the parents haven't talked to LE since February is not something most people excuse, even if is one of their rights. Even if you don't think those three points are proof that the Irwins are guilty, I don't know how you can deny that they have definitely affected how people view D&J.

 

[SmoothOperator]

There are three things that destroyed the parent's reputation in the media, and thus with the public. They are:

1. LE announcing that the parents weren't cooperating, and the parents saying that LE was treating them horribly.

2. Deborah telling everyone that she was drunk that night.

3. The (rumored) national media deal...especially when the Anthony trial had just ended, and we know that ABC gave money to Casey that went to her defense.

And IMO the above are reasons why many are of the opinion DB should be arrested for murder of her child when truth is we have no evidence in the least proving or indicating such.. jmo