Why hasn't there been an arrest?

[redheadedgal]

it just gives DB and ji more rope to hang themselves with.

this, along with not knowing the how or why lisa died, imo, is why there hasn't been an arrest yet. LE = waiting... watching...


http://youtu.be/7YvAYIJSSZY

 

[Deleted member 39678]

this, along with not knowing the how or why lisa died, imo, is why there hasn't been an arrest yet. LE = waiting... watching...


http://youtu.be/7YvAYIJSSZY

Nine months and no arrest. If Lisa is in fact dead the not knowing how isn't necessarily a problem to me, but the not knowing why would be. That LE is waiting and watching sounds reasonable to me. The odds that their still gathering new evidence after this much time has past is low in my opinion.

 

[redheadedgal]

it's called cross-fingerpointing...

from JVM last night... a comment made by wendy murphy (former prosecutor) re: haleigh cummings' case which i believe parallels the difficulties in lisa's case especially the comment re: "nonsensical theories" (name change website? :floorlaugh


She (Misty) probably does know a lot. But here's the thing, Jane. I write about this in my book, "And Justice for Some," what's called the cross finger pointing problem. So as long as these two, Ron and Misty, stay quiet about the truth, and they keep putting these nonsensical theories out into the court of public opinion, they each get to essentially point the finger at the other.

And that's what makes it impossible for law enforcement to solve this crime. They need one of them to give that up, because you can't let either of them go to trial. They'll blame the other. They have built-in reasonable doubt. It's a frustrating case.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/03/ijvm.01.html

 

[eileenhawkeye]

from JVM last night... a comment made by wendy murphy (former prosecutor) re: haleigh cummings' case which i believe parallels the difficulties in lisa's case especially the comment re: "nonsensical theories" (name change website? :floorlaugh


She (Misty) probably does know a lot. But here's the thing, Jane. I write about this in my book, "And Justice for Some," what's called the cross finger pointing problem. So as long as these two, Ron and Misty, stay quiet about the truth, and they keep putting these nonsensical theories out into the court of public opinion, they each get to essentially point the finger at the other.

And that's what makes it impossible for law enforcement to solve this crime. They need one of them to give that up, because you can't let either of them go to trial. They'll blame the other. They have built-in reasonable doubt. It's a frustrating case.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/03/ijvm.01.html

Yep, Wendy Murphy coined the term in her book, and she brings it up a lot on HLN.

 

[4Jacy]

Again, I feel very strongly that this case will not be solved. They are a tight little group these three: JI, DB, PN. While they might not be the sharpest tool in the shed, they realize that one false move, one wrong word, one person taken into their confidence, and they will, all three, go down.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Again, I feel very strongly that this case will not be solved. They are a tight little group these three: JI, DB, PN. While they might not be the sharpest tool in the shed, they realize that one false move, one wrong word, one person taken into their confidence, and they will, all three, go down.

You could be right that LE needs someone to confess or divulge incriminating information to the wrong person for them to make an arrest. That doesn't seem likely to happen in my opinion.

That could mean they have little or no physical evidence to make an arrest possible. If that's the situation LE is in, then I agree that this case is not going to be solved.
JMO.

 

[4Jacy]

You could be right that LE needs someone to confess or divulge incriminating information to the wrong person for them to make an arrest. That doesn't seem likely to happen in my opinion.

That could mean they have little or no physical evidence to make an arrest possible. If that's the situation LE is in, then I agree that this case is not going to be solved.
JMO.

Ranch, so sorry that you and I both agree on this. So, I guess this means no justice for little Baby Lisa. Lots of tears!!

 

[SyraKelly]

Nine months and no arrest. If Lisa is in fact dead the not knowing how isn't necessarily a problem to me, but the not knowing why would be. That LE is waiting and watching sounds reasonable to me. The odds that their still gathering new evidence after this much time has past is low in my opinion.

IMO-The not knowing how would be a problem to a jury-most juries want to know how a person died-as for motive-the State does not have to proof a motive-but most juries & I say most want to know a motive.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

IMO-The not knowing how would be a problem to a jury-most juries want to know how a person died-as for motive-the State does not have to proof a motive-but most juries & I say most want to know a motive.

Your right. But I'm not like most juries. If LE has good evidence that a person is dead and an individual killed that person, I don't have to know how they died. And it's true that the state doesn't have to prove a motive for a murder, but I sure would want one. Especially if the states circumstantial and/or forensic evidence is limited.
JMO.

 

[4Jacy]

Your right. But I'm not like most juries. If LE has good evidence that a person is dead and an individual killed that person, I don't have to know how they died. And it's true that the state doesn't have to prove a motive for a murder, but I sure would want one. Especially if the states circumstantial and/or forensic evidence is limited.
JMO.

I just don't feel that they have enough evidence even for a grand jury.

Okay, they have the tape dispenser, and the boys saying they heard those sounds, but what does it prove? These three had to do very little to make this crime work. All they had to do was push in a screen, open some windows, get rid of the cell phones, and dispose of Baby Lisa, the last being the most difficult I would think.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I just don't feel that they have enough evidence even for a grand jury.

Okay, they have the tape dispenser, and the boys saying they heard those sounds, but what does it prove? These three had to do very little to make this crime work. All they had to do was push in a screen, open some windows, get rid of the cell phones, and dispose of Baby Lisa, the last being the most difficult I would think.

I don't feel that LE has enough for a Grand Jury indictment either.

The tape dispenser, sounds that the boy's heard, window screens, cell phones and disposal problems are not including or excluding anyone being suspects as far as I can see.

 

[KsStormy]

Wonder what evidence they have that made them do the searches? They sure weren't looking for a child that wandered off in the woods.

 

[nivogirl]

What about the lack of dog barking? Deborah Bradley said that her dog would bark if there was a stranger in their house.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

What about the lack of dog barking? Deborah Bradley said that her dog would bark if there was a stranger in their house.

How do we know that the dog didn't bark that night?
Think about who would of been the one to hear the barking.

 

[nivogirl]

One of the neighbors said that they did not hear any dogs bark that night. And that neighbor happened to be a Beagley.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

One of the neighbors said that they did not hear any dogs bark that night. And that neighbor happened to be a *******.

I have no idea who a ******* is but you may want to remove their name from this site.

 

[nivogirl]

I was talking about Thelma Beagley, who lives 2 doors down from the Irwins.

 

[askfornina]

Here is a link. Her name is misspelled in the article. She has been interviewed a couple of times by a few local stations.

http://www.kmbc.com/news/29392699/detail.html

Next-door neighbor Thelma Bagley said her dogs often bark at night, but she never heard them Monday night.


"I let my dog out between 10 p.m. and 1 (a.m.)," Bagley said. "We sleep late. That night, I heard nothing."

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I was talking about Thelma Beagley, who lives 2 doors down from the Irwins.

Was she unable to hear any dog barking that night? Like maybe she was asleep?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Here is a link. Her name is misspelled in the article. She has been interviewed a couple of times by a few local stations.

http://www.kmbc.com/news/29392699/detail.html

Thanks Nina.
Her dog usually barks at night, just not that particular night. Great witness.