Why Have George and Cindy Requested a Video Visitation With Casey?

[logicalgirl]

Thanks SOTS, but that is not the way Lippman's motion reads- take a look- it does not say the date(s) video's were released- it states the dates of the visits taped by the jail... strange.

Otherwise it is a sloppy job on Lippman's part?

Isn't that just the sillier side of legaleze? Clearly they have not yet visited because we would know about it in a heartbeat!

 

[RoseTree]

I think a pool accident could have happened. It happens all too frequently. But I would think that if it had been a pool accident while Casey was gone, GA and CA would have called 911. A medical examiner would have termed it an accidental drowning and there wouldn't have been the need for an elaborate cover-up.

I do remember both GA and CA expressing concern that within that first week after Casey left they found the pool ladder up against the pool and a side gate open. I think Mark Fuhrman reported that when he was working as one of Greta Van Susteran's on the scene reporters.

I love the theory but if this happened, why use duct tape? And why was their no mourning on the part of ica? I do think that Cindy's 911 call was the most genuine we've seen her.

 

[gamom]

I love the theory but if this happened, why use duct tape? And why was their no mourning on the part of ica? I do think that Cindy's 911 call was the most genuine we've seen her.

I thought this at first too. Especially when I read that early on CA thought this could be a possbly because of the ladder and a report from the neighbor saying that they heard splashing in the pool. She became very interested when Rick brought it up. She disregarded everything else he said.

The cover up (tape and all) could have been KC just doing what she always does when she makes a mistake and gets caught. Lie and cover it up. She believed it would be easier to make up this Nanny/kidnapping story then telling her parents the truth. The defense will then show all of the videos with protesters and GA/CA getting angry and violent. They will say "who would not be afraid knowing this would be the reaction" and so on.

They just need one member to give them the benefit of the doubt. The are going to play all of the videos of KC with Caylee playing and laughing, show her texts about the proud mom comment when Caylee went potty for the first time and they will call every friend on the stand and even enimies that will state KC was a good mom and loved Caylee. They are hoping a juror will look at little, pretty, young, KC and think maybe it was an accident? Maybe like every other decision KC has ever made, she did not think it through and made a bad decision to lie and cover it up. They will say something like "what child does not lie about eating cookies even when their hand was caught in the cookie jar and they have crumbs on thier face?" They will claim that because of CA being so controlling...KC does not have the same maturity level of a 22 year old. They will use her history of silly lies and behavior to back this up. They will say she is mentally younger. She is scared of her parents to the point that she lied about being pregnant and graduating even though she KNEW they would find out.

IMO, the defense is going for a hung jury or a mistrial and like AL has taught them, they will look for that one jury wearing the purple slip that won't find her quilty no matter how much science and experts your throw at them.

 

[sharpar]

They will never accept they arent special and they arent going to be given special consideration - Inmates dont get privacy - SUCK IT UP !
I think CA wants to level KC with her own special brand of mothering ..........

 

[BigMomma]

I think the duct tape was placed after to coincide with the nanny kidnapping story, to make it look like it was a kidnappng.

The only reason GA and CA wants to see ica is because they're running scared. It could be another way to hang up this trial, but CA looked pretty worried in the courtroom. Maybe they want another excited utterance to slip out. They could just go and visit her without drawing attention to themselves. I heard 2 different things so far ,request for the visit to be taped and also not to be taped. There has been too much game playing with this family and some seem to forget, this isn't about GA and CA. ICA. I think they need to turn those apron strings loose.

 

[logicalgirl]

I love the theory but if this happened, why use duct tape? And why was their no mourning on the part of ica? I do think that Cindy's 911 call was the most genuine we've seen her.

The theory is well thought out but doesn't work for me starting with looking all calm and lovey with her boyfriend at the video store, renting a video of...murder. Move on to the body in the car trunk....the list goes on and on.

 

[aafromaa]

Sorry if this has been addressed already but I don't have the time right now to read all the posts in this thread. Has anyone pointed out that the request does not seem to be limited to a single visit before the trial begins but also includes visits during the trial and beyond if KC is convicted?

I don't see this as a meeting to plan anything for trial or to seek a private confession or anything along those lines - as the motion even points out that they know it will be recorded and available for either the defense or prosecution to review and use if they so choose. I'm not saying that the motion should be granted - I'm just pointing out that they are not asking for it not to be recorded or to be withheld from the state - just that they are asking that it not be released to the public if nothing in it is going to be used at trial. The way I read it, they would expect the tape(s) to be released to the public if either side wanted to use it at trial even if this motion is granted. I don't understand FL's sunshine laws well enough to know whether there is any room in them to allow the judge to grant this motion, and I'm not sure that it should be granted, but I am surprised that this motion had not been made before. It seems to me that there is no harm in asking - after all, the worst thing that could happen is that the judge says no, right?

I actually thought there were some good points made in the motion - don't know how a judge will view them and don't know whether they are valid "legal" points - but I thought the lawyer did a pretty good job in presenting the argument for the judge to consider. I'm not qualified to comment on whether the judge "could" grant the motion under the sunshine laws and I really don't know whether I think he "should" - even if he "could"

Anyway, I just found it really interesting that the request was not just for a single pretrial visit but also for visits during and following the trial.

 

[gamom]

The theory is well thought out but doesn't work for me starting with looking all calm and lovey with her boyfriend at the video store, renting a video of...murder. Move on to the body in the car trunk....the list goes on and on.

The thing about this is how can you prove WHAT a person is feeling? I can tell you, that there has been plenty of times where something has happend and I need to stay calm so the kids won't get wind of it. She lived in a house with CA who is controlling and over reacts to everything! I bet staying calm on the outside is something both KC and LA have mastered growing up in this house. How many times have we said LA's demenor on the stand and awkward laughing was very odd behavior?

She could look calm on the outside and be freaking out on the inside. Whether she killed Caylee or it was an accident, either way, she HAD to have been freaking out on the inside. Heck, even cold blooded killers feel some kind of adrenaline rush and want to tell someone about it. Look how calm she looked when she was obviously caught and talking to the cops? Even if she were innocent, you would think she would have showed some nervousness. Or how calm she looks in court even when facing the death penalty? It is clear to anyone who watches her in court that her reactions are puzzling. The constant grooming, smirks, writing. All very, very odd. I think the defense can successfully argue that everyone shows stress differently. The blockbuster video defiinately sets the stage of her being a cold blooded killer, but its not the smoking gun. To me, the fusion photos are something that will be very, very hard to explain away. Especially when taken in context with her actually saying "I was conducting my own investigation"

In my opinion, KC's words are going to convict her. You may be able to explain away some of the actions, but her words are damaging. :twocents:

 

[LancelotLink]

Lippmann is arguing Bent, however IIRC, Baez brought this case up back in Dec. or January, and was shot down. I'll have to go and find this.

 

[sleutherontheside]

Lippmann is arguing Bent, however IIRC, Baez brought this case up back in Dec. or January, and was shot down. I'll have to go and find this.

http://www.4dca.org/opinions/Sept%202010/09-29-10/4D10-2726%20&%2010-2727.op.pdf

Think this is it.

 

[BigMomma]

Sorry if this has been addressed already but I don't have the time right now to read all the posts in this thread. Has anyone pointed out that the request does not seem to be limited to a single visit before the trial begins but also includes visits during the trial and beyond if KC is convicted?

I don't see this as a meeting to plan anything for trial or to seek a private confession or anything along those lines - as the motion even points out that they know it will be recorded and available for either the defense or prosecution to review and use if they so choose. I'm not saying that the motion should be granted - I'm just pointing out that they are not asking for it not to be recorded or to be withheld from the state - just that they are asking that it not be released to the public if nothing in it is going to be used at trial. The way I read it, they would expect the tape(s) to be released to the public if either side wanted to use it at trial even if this motion is granted. I don't understand FL's sunshine laws well enough to know whether there is any room in them to allow the judge to grant this motion, and I'm not sure that it should be granted, but I am surprised that this motion had not been made before. It seems to me that there is no harm in asking - after all, the worst thing that could happen is that the judge says no, right?

I actually thought there were some good points made in the motion - don't know how a judge will view them and don't know whether they are valid "legal" points - but I thought the lawyer did a pretty good job in presenting the argument for the judge to consider. I'm not qualified to comment on whether the judge "could" grant the motion under the sunshine laws and I really don't know whether I think he "should" - even if he "could"

Anyway, I just found it really interesting that the request was not just for a single pretrial visit but also for visits during and following the trial.

Good Thoughts! I'd guess if HHJP puts out the rule every day not to discuss this case with anybody, it might put a kabash on the visits. Witnesses in a murder trial? Maybe can go over to ask the board lawyers about this. A complex question, but a great one just the same:takeabow:

 

[LolaMoon08]

Lippmann is arguing Bent, however IIRC, Baez brought this case up back in Dec. or January, and was shot down. I'll have to go and find this.

What I don't understand is that Judge Perry has told them that HE can do nothing about it... he has no juristiction over Orange County jail... so why don't they file this with the proper courts? I am so confused?

 

[LaLaw2000]

IMO that is the purpose behind this visit. The DT already tried to do this once by having the Docs testify about her story. Now they are trying to get the parents on video with her 'revealing' the truth... :maddening:

Could be. Baez and Mason both know a 'loss' of a high profile case is coming their way. No one will ever forget that they have this big loss on their record.

What do any of them have to lose at this point?

 

[mitzi]

I think it's just a "feel good" interview to try and humanize them all. Just like Baez and Mason have tried in recent days on Insession. Won't work, but it's time for the hail Mary pass on public image for all the Anthonys.

You may be right...and if so, betcha the next media story will be about a thankyou card sent from Cindy to Roy Kronk! LOL! :innocent:

 

[mitzi]

I think maybe Lippman (A's atty now) is the one that released this info....being newer to the case....gotta get his name out in the media so he can reap any rewards in the future.....the need to be known.....

Bold mine

Yeah, and he just had a phone interview with InSession too.

 

[mitzi]

BBM - Casey never told Cindy about George molesting her. Casey says she told Cindy about Lee molesting her. According to Casey's letters to Robyn, she had just started to have dreams of her father molesting her... vivid dreams of him coming into her room as a child. The same feeling she had when Lee would come into her room... were coming back to her in these dreams. She was sick in her stomach and I believe she said she was feeling some kind of pain.

So if Cindy is going to admit that she should have believed Casey... she is going to have to sacrifice Lee's life for Casey's life... is she really that sick... that vile... that twisted... to do something like that to her own son? Destroy Lee's life in order to save Casey's life? Is she willing to give up any future relationship with Lee... Mallory... her own future grandchildren in order to save Casey's life?

I would hope NOT!

Bold mine.

Please...Cindy gave up her precious grandaughter, Caylee, in order to save Casey's life...why not Lee. *eyeroll* (not at you, Lolamoon, but at the anthonys)

 

[darnudes]

Lippmann is arguing Bent, however IIRC, Baez brought this case up back in Dec. or January, and was shot down. I'll have to go and find this.

Going by memory with no time to look things up - Baez was arguing Bent and at that stage the Bent decision was not finalized, IIRC Judge Perry assumed for the hearing that Bent was decided but still Baez lost the motion due to the scope and also Florida legislation re Sunshine Laws (he wanted everything shut down ie. phone calls, letters, jail snack looksees, visitations etc.) and also because the Bent decision related to phone calls and phone calls only.

Now he didn't include all this in his motion and the Jail lawyer called him on it saying he was arguing what isn't in his motion and once again calling the jail into civil litigation which had nothing to do with them as they are only following the legislation of the Sunshine Laws, also Ms Fugate (sp?) was the lawyer for the media and she said the scope was too wide and that Bent shouldn't be applied the way Baez wanted.

I think this was the mess of a hearing where Ann Finell was making her first appearance and Baez was getting a reaming on expenditure. Remember Baez was having difficulty understanding that certain monies were allocated for getting records. Great hearing and one to watch if anyone missed it.

Here's part 1

http://www.wftv.com/video/25566372/index.html

 

[Charleyann]

I think the duct tape was placed after to coincide with the nanny kidnapping story, to make it look like it was a kidnappng.

The only reason GA and CA wants to see ica is because they're running scared. It could be another way to hang up this trial, but CA looked pretty worried in the courtroom. Maybe they want another excited utterance to slip out. They could just go and visit her without drawing attention to themselves. I heard 2 different things so far ,request for the visit to be taped and also not to be taped. There has been too much game playing with this family and some seem to forget, this isn't about GA and CA. ICA. I think they need to turn those apron strings loose.

I agree, why the need for the Anthony's lawyer to go to the media after the judge saying he was worried Casey fair trial maybe jeopardized? I believe the Anthony's are running with the judges words, along with the defense , in order to get a mistrial. Now someone tell me why does this wise judge not say anything to the defense or the Anthony's. They are the ones edging on the media. Creating this cirus? Jose is getting his cameo on every day....

I hope it backfires on them .Cause I believe there is coverup on part of the Anthony's that ultimately has backfired and could help put the needle in her arm !!!!:banghead:

Charleyann

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

The court decided that calls are public only if they involve a crime or security risk. The court considered the three teens' calls "purely personal" and private, labeling them exempt from Sheriff's Office official business..."

Court Opinion
in pdf format
http://www.4dca.org/opinions/Sept 2...00&rlead=500&sufs=0&order=r&cq=&id=4ca953df1a

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/20...d-20100929_1_appeals-court-jail-phone-4th-dca



So, If ICA should give them this tearful confession, it's open to being released. If they just idol chit chat, it's kept confidential...so, if the plan was to give an accidental confession, it's going to be shown...JMHO

Justice for Caylee

 

[darnudes]

Watching the hearing again Oct 2010, (was wrong about the media lawyer, it was a gent from the Sentinel not Ms Fugate) I've come to the conclusion (gut feeling) that it is ICA pressing for the visitations to be sealed. As Judge Perry was giving his decision ICA made notes and I suspect she was getting it straight re what Judge Perry might consider in the future.

My prediction now, and it goes against my deeply held belief she would never see her parents before the trial, is that she desperately wants to see one if not both her parents and will only see them if the visit is sealed. I firmly believe after watching the hearing again that this is her idea and she is fully aware that if the case is not discussed on the call and it is just "chit chat" to quote Judge Perry, then she wants those visits.

My question now is this, if it is only personal stuff and not related to the case, and they don't try to talk in code, why is ICA so desperate to talk to her parent/s? Keeping in mind that her parents get next to nothing from her in court.