Why Have George and Cindy Requested a Video Visitation With Casey?

[TotallyObsessed]

They probably don't want us "idiot bloggers" to see it...but then again, they said they didn't care what we thought anyway, right?

I really find that to be quite humorous, especially since JB and CM got half of their information for motions from here.

 

[TotallyObsessed]

I have to agree with others that think this is an attempt to "backdoor" some kind of testimony from Casey to reach the jurors before the trial begins. There is always a reason for everything with this group. Nothing is done without being well thought out. Casey can claim it was an accident, that George did molest her, that Lee did molest her, or whatever and that video can then be made public for some "sympathy" for Casey. I just don't trust anyone involved with the DT or anyone that supports Casey.

MOO

I just think it would be the cat's meowwwwww if HHJP granted Lippman's motion. HAHAHA....what now, JB? Tape can't be used to HELP your client.

 

[Intermezzo]

I thought that in the past, Jose put in motion after motion to try to get the video visits with her parents, either not recorded or recorded and then destroyed.

I think that the ruling was that the court and the jail are two separate places. They could not do that for ICA at the jail and not for every other prisoner.

bbm
I think that is correct.
The Jail or Dept of Corrections, falls under, iirc the Executive Branch of gov't.
The Circuit court falls under the Judicial Branch

IIRC Judge Perry said something in one of his rulings about the separation of the Executive Branch(the Governor of Florida and other elected and appointed constitutional officers) and the Judicial Branch

 

[Aedrys]

I just don't see this as a setup. What is the DT going to say to Casey, "Pretty please, don't get mad or upset or do anything to make yourself look bad...uh...just sit there...just sit there and smile and don't say anything...". They cannot control Casey. Putting her in visual contact with her parents is not going to work to her benefit. She is going to explode at them, and that will only hurt her case, not help it. Plus, Casey's nonverbal cues destroy her as well. Even if she were silent, she wouldn't react correctly and people would pick up on that. She's a terrible client verbally and nonverbally. There is no way the DT can allow this to happen unless they want to sink their own case even further. Casey doesn't listen to anyone. She's been raised to do what she wants, when she wants, how she wants, with no challenge or reason to obey authority or do anything anyone else wants her to do. As much as it seems like a setup, I just don't think it is. Maybe CA would like it to be, but it's not going to happen.

 

[Leila]

I think if this was an "I love you no matter what" meeting that Lee would be there. One of those last time the family gathers kinda thing. Lee not being included is telling imo.

This is CA's game. It may benefit the DT but I don't think it's their game. Cindy is furious. She's furious at the SA, at the DT, and at ICA. Yeah, she loves her but she's just gotta see her face to face one more time on her terms. Her daughter made stupid mistakes. If she had listened to momma to start with, none of this would have ever happened. Cindy is furious.

She wasn't a happy camper at Monday's hearing.....that's for sure!

 

[Intermezzo]

The Anthony's attorney can file the motion but if IRC Judge Perry has already said that he has no jurisdiction over the rules of jails. He told JB he had to go to a different court for that (I don't remember what court he said). Anyway Judge Perry will deny the motion IMO.

bbm
I remember something along that line as well.
I don't think JBP(a chief circuit court judge under the Judicial Branch) has power over the Executive Branch..the jail,Dept of Corrections falls under this branch

 

[katydid23]

I just don't see this as a setup. What is the DT going to say to Casey, "Pretty please, don't get mad or upset or do anything to make yourself look bad...uh...just sit there...just sit there and smile and don't say anything...". They cannot control Casey. Putting her in visual contact with her parents is not going to work to her benefit. She is going to explode at them, and that will only hurt her case, not help it. Plus, Casey's nonverbal cues destroy her as well. Even if she were silent, she wouldn't react correctly and people would pick up on that. She's a terrible client verbally and nonverbally. There is no way the DT can allow this to happen unless they want to sink their own case even further. Casey doesn't listen to anyone. She's been raised to do what she wants, when she wants, how she wants, with no challenge or reason to obey authority or do anything anyone else wants her to do. As much as it seems like a setup, I just don't think it is. Maybe CA would like it to be, but it's not going to happen.

It might not be a set up. But what happens if Casey suddenly blurts out that it was just a terrible accident, and she is so sorry she couldn't tell anyone, she was too ashamed? Then what? The tape can be admitted and it will tell her 'story' without her having to take the stand and be cross examined.

 

[Intermezzo]

I don't think CJBP will be happy to see another frivolous repeated motion. He's already denied them secrecy once. I don't think Lippmann, the man of many pages, will get either of his motions through. I see a big ole :denied: coming on both.

bbm
:floorlaugh:

 

[TorisMom003]

I just don't see this as a setup. What is the DT going to say to Casey, "Pretty please, don't get mad or upset or do anything to make yourself look bad...uh...just sit there...just sit there and smile and don't say anything...". They cannot control Casey. Putting her in visual contact with her parents is not going to work to her benefit. She is going to explode at them, and that will only hurt her case, not help it. Plus, Casey's nonverbal cues destroy her as well. Even if she were silent, she wouldn't react correctly and people would pick up on that. She's a terrible client verbally and nonverbally. There is no way the DT can allow this to happen unless they want to sink their own case even further. Casey doesn't listen to anyone. She's been raised to do what she wants, when she wants, how she wants, with no challenge or reason to obey authority or do anything anyone else wants her to do. As much as it seems like a setup, I just don't think it is. Maybe CA would like it to be, but it's not going to happen.

After Casey has heard Judge Perry deny motion after motion I do believe that her "boys" have come clean with her. There is no way, the way things stand as of right now, that Casey is going to be aquitted. No way. Their hope was to get evidence thrown out. Well that failed. So what is left? Get Casey to co-operate during a videotaped visit with her parents. If Casey understands completely that this is her last hail mary I do believe that she will be able to control herself. Her "boys" will need to make sure that Cindy and George (if he bothers going to the visit) follow the script to a T. This is not about helping Cindy or George or even the defense team. This is all about "saving" Casey and when it comes to Casey she will do whatever it takes for herself.

MOO

 

[LolaMoon08]

bbm
I remember something along that line as well.
I don't think JBP(a chief circuit court judge under the Judicial Branch) has power over the Executive Branch..the jail (Dept of Corrections) falls under this branch.

I do remember him saying he has no juristiction over the Orange County Jail and their procedures? I think he also stated how he could not change laws that are already in place. Something along those lines?

 

[Horace Finklestein]

They can have contact with her right now, why does it have to be secret?

I would think they would want people to be reminded of what a wonderful relationship they have with their daughter and how supportive and close knit this family is together. They mouth "I love you's" in court, and "thank you's"- why would they not want us to see their amazing relationship first hand?

I would think this would be exactly what they would want the world to see... oh yes... but there is someone in this mix that wouldn't want this 'image' portrayed... the defense team (Hmmmm).

It's another one of those things - they act as if they can't see her because it will be made public, but no one ever explains why they feel that way. It is obviously their egos getting in the way.

 

[faefrost]

It's a well written motion, much better than anything that the defense team spits out... But didn't both HHJS and HHJP inform the defense (and the A's) that this subject is not one for the Orange County Criminal court to address? This is a matter to take up with the Sheriff and the State. The County Criminal Court had no power to give such orders to the Executive branch. I seem to recall one of them politely pointing out that "the state court house was up the block, and that any of these concerns should be brought there". That the judges court had no standing to address the state Sunshine laws except in very narrow very specific circumstances. And Cindy and George wanting to stay off TV was not one of those.

or am I misremembering all of that?

 

[joypath]

didn't CA have to pretty much release Caylee to the A's for her funeral?

:twocents: The OME signed over the remains of Caylee to her immediate next of kin, the inmate. (yes, even if one is under suspicion of malfeasance, one remains the immediate, responsible relative with "ownership" of the decedent UNLESS other parties have petitioned the court and won)
The INMATE determined that she'd transfer ALL rights and most importantly, responsibilities (aka somebody's gotta PAY) for the interment of Caylee's remains to CA (and perhaps also, GA) as was reported by the media. UNLESS the law in Florida is unique, THAT's the end of the claim of CA & GA as immediate next of kin to Caylee since the maternal unit remains alive and the paternal unit has not been acknowledged, legally.

IMHO, CA & GA are attempting to demonstrate just how unique they believe they are by requesting another "special accommodation"

 

[LolaMoon08]

It might not be a set up. But what happens if Casey suddenly blurts out that it was just a terrible accident, and she is so sorry she couldn't tell anyone, she was too ashamed? Then what? The tape can be admitted and it will tell her 'story' without her having to take the stand and be cross examined.

If she simply blurts out that this was all a terrible accident... the jury may just see it as another one of her wild stories. She can not simply blurt out that this was an accident without explaining what happened because a jury is going to want to know more. They are going to want to know why she put duct tape over Caylee's face. Why she was so terrified of her parents... so terrified that she would rather dump her precious baby in an animal infested swamp instead of calling for help. They are going to want to know why she placed Caylee in trash bags... why not a box with some of her favorite toys and things that would comfort her... if it were an accident? Even one of those plastic totes? Anything but trash bags! Why was Caylee put in her trunk to decompose?

She better be willing to give some details because if she doesn't... a jury is going to see it as nothing more than the mind games she has been playing since she murdered Caylee.

 

[Paintr]

:twocents: The OME signed over the remains of Caylee to her immediate next of kin, the inmate. (yes, even if one is under suspicion of malfeasance, one remains the immediate, responsible relative with "ownership" of the decedent UNLESS other parties have petitioned the court and won)
The INMATE determined that she'd transfer ALL rights and most importantly, responsibilities (aka somebody's gotta PAY) for the interment of Caylee's remains to CA (and perhaps also, GA) as was reported by the media. UNLESS the law in Florida is unique, THAT's the end of the claim of CA & GA as immediate next of kin to Caylee since the maternal unit remains alive and the paternal unit has not been acknowledged, legally.

IMHO, CA & GA are attempting to demonstrate just how unique they believe they are by requesting another "special accommodation"

maternal unit :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh: Great term, Joypath!

 

[Intermezzo]

I do remember him saying he has no juristiction over the Orange County Jail and their procedures? I think he also stated how he could not change laws that are already in place. Something along those lines?

bbm
That is what I remember.
Judge Perry has no jurisdiction over the Executive Branch..

 

[TotallyObsessed]

I just don't see this as a setup. What is the DT going to say to Casey, "Pretty please, don't get mad or upset or do anything to make yourself look bad...uh...just sit there...just sit there and smile and don't say anything...". They cannot control Casey. Putting her in visual contact with her parents is not going to work to her benefit. She is going to explode at them, and that will only hurt her case, not help it. Plus, Casey's nonverbal cues destroy her as well. Even if she were silent, she wouldn't react correctly and people would pick up on that. She's a terrible client verbally and nonverbally. There is no way the DT can allow this to happen unless they want to sink their own case even further. Casey doesn't listen to anyone. She's been raised to do what she wants, when she wants, how she wants, with no challenge or reason to obey authority or do anything anyone else wants her to do. As much as it seems like a setup, I just don't think it is. Maybe CA would like it to be, but it's not going to happen.

Oh but I see it differently, respectfully. ICA and family are fighting for her life. They will do ANYTHING....and if that means a "scripted" confession of how Caylee accidentally drowned in the pool and ICA went koo-koo for cocoa puffs for 31 days....then that is exactly what they would do IMHO. They know darn well that within hours it would be broadcast on every local and national media show around. There you have ICA "testifying" without having to take the stand.

 

[Purple Iris]

They have been communicating with her all along courtesy of Baez, we know that for a fact, so they could certainly continue to do so.
Which begs the question why do they need to be there in person? They see her at every hearing. IMO it is simply for her to testify without running the risk of being cross-examined. She can get 'upset' at their visit ,break down and tell them the 'truth' which for those who watched Mason yesterday is going to be that there was a terrible, tragic accident in which Caylee lost her life, ICA was so distraught she couldn't face her mother so she told those stupid lies about Zanny and couldn't find a way to back down. I can see the National Enquirer headlines now!
The video makes it to court but ICA can hide behind it.
I found it's best to start with the supposition that everything this family and the DT do is devious, and work from there...

BINGO ! Spot on and dead right.

There is nothing that the Anthony's can't tell Casey through Jose, either by his mouth, or by a smuggled letter to her as before that they have gotton away with.

What sticks out in my mind, loud and clear, is one of the first visits where Casey tells her parents, "Don't worry, I haven't said/told anything".

Well, well, well..........I guess it's time to "tell" now and get it out without Casey having to take the stand.

Her parents have always wanted non-videoed visits, now all of a sudden, they make it crystal clear that they do want it taped??

They also know, that with this tidbit being leaked or told, that every media agency in Florida already has the paperwork put together and waiting for the final dates and time stamp to get it to the court house before the Anthony's would even walk out of that visit.

They want something "out" ~

They are so transparent.

 

[Solace]

If she simply blurts out that this was all a terrible accident... the jury may just see it as another one of her wild stories. She can not simply blurt out that this was an accident without explaining what happened because a jury is going to want to know more. They are going to want to know why she put duct tape over Caylee's face. Why she was so terrified of her parents... so terrified that she would rather dump her precious baby in an animal infested swamp instead of calling for help. They are going to want to know why she placed Caylee in trash bags... why not a box with some of her favorite toys and things that would comfort her... if it were an accident? Even one of those plastic totes? Anything but trash bags! Why was Caylee put in her trunk to decompose?

She better be willing to give some details because if she doesn't... a jury is going to see it as nothing more than the mind games she has been playing since she murdered Caylee.

She is not going to take the stand; if she does, they will shred her in five seconds. I am going to say the sexual abuse thing is it and it goes right along with the tape being over her mouth and George is the one who did it. It is all they have and Cheney said there are very disturbing things in this family. Sexual abuse is as disturbing as it gets. George was the last one (besides KC) WHO was with Caylee. It fits. Tape over the baby's mouth means keep your mouth shut. I just think they will use this.

All they need is for KC to have said it and she already did in her letters. Get one person on the jury and have Cheney and Baez give them a closing statement that gets to them and they have it.

Although I have to admit, I don't think it will work, but they will use it. And I guess they have to say George killed the baby so KC would keep her mouth shut. It be a stretch, but it is all they have.

 

[sleutherontheside]

IMHO...which may be totally off base.....

I smell a plea coming and think that this is a last ditch effort by the Anthony's to color history. After all...it will be the last visit before a trial or a plea.

Lippman says the parents don't plan to attend jury selection???

Does anyone else find that decision to be odd, out of character, and a departure from the "script at large"? Attend hearings but skip jury selection????

OR.......they have been told to stay away so as not to let juror opinion of their actions impact questioning. Wait...that doesn't even make sense.

In every spirit....their attending jury selection would bolster the impression of family support. I see no defense benefit to them skipping out.