Why I believe that Patsy co-ordinated the staging

[LinasK]

Linda Arndt may be guilty of some things in this case - allowing people, suspects or not, to wander an unsecured crime scene, handling a body, etc, but she is not guilty of helping the killers to stage the crime. She'd have no reason to. She never met the Rs before that morning.

No, but she sure was incompetent enough to let John go search the basement without her and then carry the body and let Patsy fall down all over it, further contaminating the evidence...

 

[arielilane]

Yep, How could we forget her little drama-queen spill about Lazarus.

 

[trixie]

Yep, How could we forget her little drama-queen spill about Lazarus.

Lol! Yep I guess maybe by now she's met ole Lazarus. I can see it now. He probably had this very annoyed look on his face and said, "Why'd you SAY that?" LOL!:crazy::trout:

 

[Meyahna]

Just curious do all of you have brown paper bags at your house? I'm French so I don't know how usual it is for Americans (I'd have a hard time finding one in my house) but if it's not I'd assume that's someone who knew the Ramsey had brown paper bags at their house. Not everybody's supposed to have brown paper bags. It's in reference to the ransom letter: "When you get home you will put the money in a brown paper bag".

 

[Meyahna]

I was wondering what SBTC could mean in relation to Patsy and thought about she beat the cancer and saw someone else thought about it too on another forum. I think it could be that. In my opinion she felt inferior to her husband or that he treated her inferior.

 

[Ames]

Just curious do all of you have brown paper bags at your house? I'm French so I don't know how usual it is for Americans (I'd have a hard time finding one in my house) but if it's not I'd assume that's someone who knew the Ramsey had brown paper bags at their house. Not everybody's supposed to have brown paper bags. It's in reference to the ransom letter: "When you get home you will put the money in a brown paper bag".

Good point. We NEVER have brown paper bags in our house. How did the "intruder" KNOW if the Rams would have brown paper bags or not. Same thing goes for the attaché that is mentioned. A real intruder wouldn't give a hoot what sort of bag the money is placed in, as long as he got it.

 

[LinasK]

Just curious do all of you have brown paper bags at your house? I'm French so I don't know how usual it is for Americans (I'd have a hard time finding one in my house) but if it's not I'd assume that's someone who knew the Ramsey had brown paper bags at their house. Not everybody's supposed to have brown paper bags. It's in reference to the ransom letter: "When you get home you will put the money in a brown paper bag".

Yeah, sandwich bags for packing lunches, they are brown paper bags. Also some brown paper grocery bags, do they qualify as well???

 

[LinasK]

I was wondering what SBTC could mean in relation to Patsy and thought about she beat the cancer and saw someone else thought about it too on another forum. I think it could be that. In my opinion she felt inferior to her husband or that he treated her inferior.

Look in the archived threads for this forum. We have whole threads devoted to what SBTC could mean. I think it's John's reference- Subic Bay Training Center, but there are other good possibilities too like Saved By The Cross.

 

[Ames]

Look in the archived threads for this forum. We have whole threads devoted to what SBTC could mean. I think it's John's reference- Subic Bay Training Center, but there are other good possibilities too like Saved By The Cross.

I believe that its probably Saved By The Cross. I don't know about now...but, back then, there were actually bracelets and necklaces that you could buy with S. B. T. C. on them. (Bought at Christian stores).

 

[LI_Mom]

Yes- Arndt was inexperienced in this type of crime (as was the rest of the Boulder LE) but she was a straight-arrow, IMHO. She made mistakes, and she was trained to see women as victims (she dealt with rape victims) so she looked right past PR as perp in this case. But she'd never jeopardize her career or reputation to help people who had killed their child, accidentally or not.

Inexperienced? Stupid? Smitten with the wealth?

Didn't she also give the Ramseys & their lawyers a list of all the questions the detectives would be asking them at a later date?

Brilliant investigative tool.... tell suspects exactly what they should prepare for. LOL

 

[DeeDee249]

Inexperienced? Stupid? Smitten with the wealth?

Didn't she also give the Ramseys & their lawyers a list of all the questions the detectives would be asking them at a later date?

Brilliant investigative tool.... tell suspects exactly what they should prepare for. LOL

Yes she did- all of that. And it was stupid.

 

[LI_Mom]

Look in the archived threads for this forum. We have whole threads devoted to what SBTC could mean. I think it's John's reference- Subic Bay Training Center, but there are other good possibilities too like Saved By The Cross.

IIRC, it couldn't have been Subic Bay Training Center because no such thing exists?

Given what we know of Patsy's religious leanings & her flair for the dramatic, I'd lean towards the Saved by the Cross reference.

Sort of a "God help us NOW" kind of emotion might have kicked in.

 

[txsvicki]

I believe that its probably Saved By The Cross. I don't know about now...but, back then, there were actually bracelets and necklaces that you could buy with S. B. T. C. on them. (Bought at Christian stores).

I thought it could possibly mean stun, bind, torture, club (hit in the head). I was thinking of similarities to btk's choice of initials.

 

[LI_Mom]

I thought it could possibly mean stun, bind, torture, club (hit in the head). I was thinking of similarities to btk's choice of initials.

Interesting theory.


Here's a link that discusses the note in depth:

http://www.statementanalysis.com/ramseynote/

 

[Ames]

I thought it could possibly mean stun, bind, torture, club (hit in the head). I was thinking of similarities to btk's choice of initials.

Maybe. But, I think that Saved By The Cross..goes along with the theme. Patsy saying..."Help Me Jesus!" on the 911 call...and then her Lazarus speech..."Jesus, you raised Lazarus from the dead. Now, please raise my baby".

 

[JMO8778]

I believe that its probably Saved By The Cross. I don't know about now...but, back then, there were actually bracelets and necklaces that you could buy with S. B. T. C. on them. (Bought at Christian stores).

could be,I know there was the WWJD (what would Jesus do) jewelry going on around that time.

 

[Ames]

could be,I know there was the WWJD (what would Jesus do) jewelry going on around that time.

Yep...there was THAT too....

 

[JMO8778]

Pure grabbing at straws they know the intruder is not going to confess ....obviously as there was never an intruder and they know the DNA isnt going to show any intruder as a match by Codis and they know they removed enough DNA as to never have a complete match. No real intruder no match.

..it's like sending a probe to outer space in hopes it will someday meet up with alien life...whom are they kidding? go ahead,waste of time and money.there's nothing out there in either case.

 

[LI_Mom]

Good point. We NEVER have brown paper bags in our house. How did the "intruder" KNOW if the Rams would have brown paper bags or not. Same thing goes for the attaché that is mentioned. A real intruder wouldn't give a hoot what sort of bag the money is placed in, as long as he got it.

Why would kidnappers want their booty toted in a flimsy paper bag anyway?

What if it tore? What if it rained? What if it opened up & the money blew away? And how do you tell if how many bundles are inside IF it's all jammed together willy nilly & not laid out straight? Too many what ifs ..... why tell John to use an attache but then switch over to a paper bag?

They could have easily brought their own bag to transfer the money into AFTER it was delivered.

I never realized just HOW stoooopid this paper bag request really sounded until just now. Oh well, that's what you get when you deal with a SMALL foreign faction... the big foreign factions are SO much smarter.

 

[Peculiar Petunia]

Back 12 years ago, paper grocery bags were a lot more common.
Yes, it was a stupid request, I agree.