Why is Adam Baker not in jail?

[tlcya]

Oh wow. I recall that now, I did watch a rather comrehensive show about his case, I cannot recall the circumstances or channel. It was many years ago. The burning in the garden. I had forgotten about that - all the neighbors had commented on how he would burn stuff, I think they even commented upon the odor. And yet no one realized that right there, just over the garden wall, what he was truly up to.

SO the stone floor (not as pourous) in his kitchen probably led to easier cleanup for this man than say a wood floor (more pourous) would.

MOO is that the sections of flooring removed from Zahra's bedroom had blood evidence within it that had seeped down into the wood. What I cannot figure with the limited info we have to go on at this point, is if the blood was from the murder event or from teh dismemberment. I suspect dismemberment but am unsure.

ETA sorry WhyaDuck? Just realized what thread this was and here I went of on a tangent

So this man's partner LIVED with the corpses (or parts thereof) in the same home and was clueless???? Wow, that is really hard to fathom. But I see your point, in drawing the parallel to this case where we are all so stymied by how AB could not know.

 

[Allusonz]

BBM

This is the first I've ever heard of an email to his mother. Would you happen to have a link for this? TIA.

IIRC i read this close to the beginning of the case in an Austrailian article. I will look for the link.

In the meantime Whyaduck if you feel it needs to be removed please do so.

It like the actually prosthetic being found, an article stating that he had been out of town working i do recall reading but do not see much if any info about these and a variety of other things anymore

I was even trying to find a link regarding the prosthetic and bedanged if i could find one on it but i know i did read it

Whyaduck it is not central to the point i was trying to make so will leave this to you. In the meantime, but not tonite as it has been a long day i will try and find the article and post the link

 

[Flakes]

Allusonz, I have a vague recollection that I read this material in posts by "Biomum" (Aussies say "mum" not "mom") in the forum on the Hinkymeter. From memory, ED stated that she located Zahra through facebook ... she was looking through friends of a friend, and noticed someone from the past that she didn't expect to see, and that led her to uncovering Zahra's location. She was not in touch with this person in the USA, as I vaguely recall they refused to respond to her, but somehow the location of Zahra was confirmed via this person. ???? details are vague, so don't quote me on this! Can anyone else recall this? I never saw it in any Australian newspapers, but it may well have been in an article I didn't read.

 

[Ssejors]

Well, after doing a bit more reading I truly think that AB must have known what happened to Zahra. By all accounts, there was blood in Zahra's room and on her mattress that was thrown out. I'm a fairly strong and large woman who used to work in the sheet metal trade nd I did a lot of heavy labour work but I dont know if I could dispose of a mattress by my self.

Murder, Dismemberment, clean up, disposal, mattress disposal, randsom note, on and on.. Just seems like this woman needed an extra set of hands with all the work she had in front of her.

 

[lauriej]

It was my understanding that AB was in the process of leaving EB and I believe that EB made this process very difficult and that truly was the only solution for Zahra's safety...

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..if AB was "in the process of leaving" ( as told to us by AY ) ----the 'date of offense' on the indictment was "on or about september 24th" ----why???? had he not yet left-- by october 9th?

..what was his reason for being "in the process of leaving EB? " -----HIS being ( as he says in his interview) 'verbally, emotionally & physically abused, as well as having things thrown at him & being hit'..??

..if the above was happening to ( AB-----[that image--going off of what we saw in the video interview]..)------what on earth did he think was happening to zahra??

..if his "in the process of leaving" was b/c EB was mistreating zahra-----again, why hadn't he left ??

..if he REALLY wanted to leave------how could EB 'make the process very difficult'? he had the "company-vehicle-that-i-use-for-work" --why not just take zahra , and the 2 of them get away from EB?

..IMO ( b/c she was dead...he knew it.. and AB was not "in the process of leaving".)

 

[Allusonz]

--------snipped the post quite a lot------to comment on the above portion only.

..if AB was "in the process of leaving" ( as told to us by AY ) ----the 'date of offense' on the indictment was "on or about september 24th" ----why???? had he not yet left-- by october 9th?

..what was his reason for being "in the process of leaving EB? " -----HIS being ( as he says in his interview) 'verbally, emotionally & physically abused, as well as having things thrown at him & being hit'..??

..if the above was happening to ( AB-----[that image--going off of what we saw in the video interview]..)------what on earth did he think was happening to zahra??

..if his "in the process of leaving" was b/c EB was mistreating zahra-----again, why hadn't he left ??

..if he REALLY wanted to leave------how could EB 'make the process very difficult'? he had the "company-vehicle-that-i-use-for-work" --why not just take zahra , and the 2 of them get away from EB?

..IMO ( b/c she was dead...he knew it.. and AB was not "in the process of leaving".)

Like you and others here I dont have the answers. I truly wish i did

I was simply pointing out 2 things here

One was that it seemed that at every step ZB was let down

Secondly that if and i repeat the if deals were made i would rather have deals made if it meant justice could be somehow found for this young lady that has captured the hearts of so many here

 

[Allusonz]

Allusonz, I have a vague recollection that I read this material in posts by "Biomum" (Aussies say "mum" not "mom") in the forum on the Hinkymeter. From memory, ED stated that she located Zahra through facebook ... she was looking through friends of a friend, and noticed someone from the past that she didn't expect to see, and that led her to uncovering Zahra's location. She was not in touch with this person in the USA, as I vaguely recall they refused to respond to her, but somehow the location of Zahra was confirmed via this person. ???? details are vague, so don't quote me on this! Can anyone else recall this? I never saw it in any Australian newspapers, but it may well have been in an article I didn't read.

i dont post on any other forums but was that not in one of news articles there as well? If i come across it i will post if for you

ETA it actually might of been in the interviews with the ED as i know i read all i could from there to try and get a sense for what her life was like prior to coming to the states

 

[raisincharlie]

--------snipped the post quite a lot------to comment on the above portion only.

..if AB was "in the process of leaving" ( as told to us by AY ) ----the 'date of offense' on the indictment was "on or about september 24th" ----why???? had he not yet left-- by october 9th?

..what was his reason for being "in the process of leaving EB? " -----HIS being ( as he says in his interview) 'verbally, emotionally & physically abused, as well as having things thrown at him & being hit'..??

..if the above was happening to ( AB-----[that image--going off of what we saw in the video interview]..)------what on earth did he think was happening to zahra??

..if his "in the process of leaving" was b/c EB was mistreating zahra-----again, why hadn't he left ??

..if he REALLY wanted to leave------how could EB 'make the process very difficult'? he had the "company-vehicle-that-i-use-for-work" --why not just take zahra , and the 2 of them get away from EB?

..IMO ( b/c she was dead...he knew it.. and AB was not "in the process of leaving".)

Bingo Lauriej ! I have no idea how a person who claims his wife is abusing him would not be on a heightened alert concerning the welfare of his 10 year old handicapped child while he is supposedly working such long hours. Especially after DSS had interviewed him more than once about claims of Zahra being mistreated. Makes absolutely no sense and I can't figure a single defense for it. Good post, enjoyed it.

 

[passionflower]

AB should be arrested IMO for child endangerment and medical neglect! if nothing else.......

 

[raisincharlie]

AB should be arrested IMO for child endangerment and medical neglect! if nothing else.......

Negligent homicide aounds about right to me.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Negligent homicide sounds about right to me.

I've been operating under the impression that if LE were to charge AB with child neglect, and he were convicted of that, then he couldn't be charged with murder (if they ever did find enough proof to build that case). It seems as if I once read somewhere that you can't have 2 separate charges for one crime or something. (If you or anyone else can clarify that, please do.)

As to negligent homicide, I've wondered about that myself. I'm 90% sure LE is going to charge him with something, I think they are just holding back and hoping they can find something to make the worst possible charge stick. If they can't, I'm SURE we'll see them move on something...neglect, endangerment...something.

JMO

 

[Carolina Girl]

AB is guilty of neglect and allowing the abuse to continue after SS was involved.

 

[diphi]

Negligent homicide does sound about right, I suppose, assuming they can't prove more.

When I think about AB, I ask myself, "Just how dumb can a person be?" Then, I think about people who have babies and don't even know they are pregnant, or people who don't see their spouse is cheating on them even though it's right in front of their face. Could it be just plain old DENIAL OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES? We all see what we want to see or need to see in order to survive sometimes. Is that what AB was doing?

I'm not trying to defend him by any means, just trying to understand, if he is innocent (which I don't really think he is), what his thought process could have been.

MOO

 

[Mountain_Kat]

My personal feeling is that if AB were truly innocent of everything, and if he were truly cooperating in this investigation, we would have seen a 1st degree murder charge laid on Elisa. He knew Zahra was being abused. And he knows EXACTLY what when on in that house. And if he weren't concerned about covering up his part in it (however great or small it might be), he'd have already told what he knows. The fact that he chooses to save his own rear end over helping to bring about real justice for his own child speaks VOLUMNS to me about how much he cared for Zahra in life.

All just MOO, of course.

 

[vjlaw]

Iirc, one of EB's daughters said AB saw some abuse and did nothing about it. AB claims he was abused, but there were neighbors saying they heard fighting. Sounds like he was defending himself. If AB didn't know what happened to Zahra, then I am trying to figure out why EB waited two weeks before pulling the ransom note stunt to expose Zahra being gone. If she acted alone, she knew she was going to have to come up with an excuse at some point to tell AB. I think if he didn't know, then she would have done this shortly after she killed Zahra. According AB something was in bed. So if that is true, then EB knew she could get by with that ruse because she knew AB was not very hands on with Zahra and would never go in and actually check on her. All jmo of course.

 

[Reannan]

Adam aslo never noticed all of the painting going on? I also find it impossible to believe that EB did all of this painting, disposing of body parts in bags, mattresses, etc. by her self. This is a great article from the Herald Sun in Australia. I don't think they believe Adam's story either...

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/ipad/zahra-tortured-by-hand-of-evil/story-fn6bfkm6-1226012206714

 

[NoeticSoul]

Adam aslo never noticed all of the painting going on? I also find it impossible to believe that EB did all of this painting, disposing of body parts in bags, mattresses, etc. by her self. This is a great article from the Herald Sun in Australia. I don't think they believe Adam's story either...

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/ipad/zahra-tortured-by-hand-of-evil/story-fn6bfkm6-1226012206714

"Adam would not talk to the Herald Sun this week, except to say that his first wife, Emily, who was expressing her grief for Zahra back in Australia, had "never been a mother to Zahra".

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/ipad/zahra-tortured-by-hand-of-evil/story-fn6bfkm6-1226012206714

Um.. oh no he didn't. THIS is what AB wants to let people know?!

:furious:

A cheap shot at a mutilated girls mother. JUST wow.

 

[NcMomma]

"Adam would not talk to the Herald Sun this week, except to say that his first wife, Emily, who was expressing her grief for Zahra back in Australia, had "never been a mother to Zahra".

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/ipad/zahra-tortured-by-hand-of-evil/story-fn6bfkm6-1226012206714

Um.. oh no he didn't. THIS is what AB wants to let people know?!

:furious:

A cheap shot at a mutilated girls mother. JUST wow.

Exactly! His "wife" had just been charged with murdering his only child and THIS is what he has to say??:furious:

Says a lot IMO.

 

[NoeticSoul]

Exactly! His "wife" had just been charged with murdering his only child and THIS is what he has to say??:furious:

Says a lot IMO.

Says it absolutely ALL.

imo

He's knows PLENTY. See what his guilt is causing him to do?

ETA: I hope Karma is the biggest B**** ever.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I'm sitting here slack jawed. Literally. No words.