Why the DNA may NOT be important

  • #101
There are a LOT of people, wonder, that just cannot STAND to be wrong. And they can't ever forget it. Or learn from it.


I do believe Douglas spent some time with the LE but evidently it wasn't to get further case information.

Since he gave a written report he is writing about that and justifying his answers. If it ever came up in court he could change his mind based on "new" information not given to him at the time. He has to acknowledge his report and why he came to those conclusions.
Otherwise it would be like Foster, were he sent an unsolicited letter conflicting his professional opinion that he gave to BPD.
 
  • #102
I do believe Douglas spent some time with the LE but evidently it wasn't to get further case information.

No. Apparently, it was to browbeat small-town cops who he felt were hicks.

Since he gave a written report he is writing about that and justifying his answers. If it ever came up in court he could change his mind based on "new" information not given to him at the time. He has to acknowledge his report and why he came to those conclusions.

That's one thing, CR. Now he claims he never did any such thing. He sure has a bad memory for a lawman.

Otherwise it would be like Foster, were he sent an unsolicited letter conflicting his professional opinion that he gave to BPD.

That's a different issue, far as I go. But in principle I get you.
 
  • #103
He states in his book he made a report and his comments are based on that report so the fact that one has not been given one to the press is most likely because JR has it and has no inclination to share any results.
 
  • #104
11-30-2010, 06:52 PM
Maddy,

Your right PR wasn't dumb, she just liked to give you that impression. I base it on the fact that could remember nothing and couldn't rub to words together to make a sentence. I believe she was really very smart, or at least the persona that she showed the world. Now say she had an alter ego from too much mental pressure being applied, maybe some Chemo brain going on (real condition by the way) even though it had been a while, if already unstable, it may have helped her lose touch with reality.

Patricia Paugh Ramsey graduated magna 🤬🤬🤬 laude from West Virginia University w/ a degree in journalism. Magna 🤬🤬🤬 laude is Latin for: "with highest honor".


Following Patsy's beauty queen success and gainful employment in Atlanta, Patsy was still young and quite ambitious. Receiving a diagnosis of Stage Four Ovarian Cancer stopped her dead in her tracks. It was a death sentence because in all probability it returns within five years of remission. Patsy lived ten yrs bc she could afford excellent health care. :rolleyes:


In the last four years of JonBenét's life, I believe Patsy had developed symptoms of PTSD.

1. Beth died unexpectedly; crushing John, who withdrew; Patsy's intimate life likely suffered as a result.

2. Stage Four Cancer Diagnosis brought acute PTSD or the "life or death" stress response some refer to as the "fight or flight" response due to witnessing, whether by hearing or seeing, a traumatic event causing great fear of the thing [cancer, ie., death] that holds the power.

3. Kim Ballard Affair

4. Someone, maybe her, was molesting her daughter.

5. Patsy was turning the Big 4-0!

6. Access Graphics celebrated their billion dollars in sales with an extravagant champagne luncheon but Patsy received none of the glory.


:rumor: It has been rumored that Patsy swept through the $118,000 bonus rather quickly, much to the understandable chagrin of her husband. That estimates a $10,000 budget, each month, for the beauty queen married to the wealthy CEO.


It is a possibility that Patsy was taking a drug to assist her in coping, although, I don't recall her admitting in LE interviews to taking any prescribed medications prior to the murder; however, I do believe she was seeing a therapist before the murder. Isn't that correct?

OMO
 
  • #105
Klonopin, IIRC.
 
  • #106
11-30-2010, 06:52 PM


Patricia Paugh Ramsey graduated magna 🤬🤬🤬 laude from West Virginia University w/ a degree in journalism. Magna 🤬🤬🤬 laude is Latin for: "with highest honor".


Following Patsy's beauty queen success and gainful employment in Atlanta, Patsy was still young and quite ambitious. Receiving a diagnosis of Stage Four Ovarian Cancer stopped her dead in her tracks. It was a death sentence because in all probability it returns within five years of remission. Patsy lived ten yrs bc she could afford excellent health care. :rolleyes:


In the last four years of JonBenét's life, I believe Patsy had developed symptoms of PTSD.

1. Beth died unexpectedly; crushing John, who withdrew; Patsy's intimate life likely suffered as a result.

2. Stage Four Cancer Diagnosis brought acute PTSD or the "life or death" stress response some refer to as the "fight or flight" response due to witnessing, whether by hearing or seeing, a traumatic event causing great fear of the thing [cancer, ie., death] that holds the power.

3. Kim Ballard Affair

4. Someone, maybe her, was molesting her daughter.

5. Patsy was turning the Big 4-0!

6. Access Graphics celebrated their billion dollars in sales with an extravagant champagne luncheon but Patsy received none of the glory.


:rumor: It has been rumored that Patsy swept through the $118,000 bonus rather quickly, much to the understandable chagrin of her husband. That estimates a $10,000 budget, each month, for the beauty queen married to the wealthy CEO.


It is a possibility that Patsy was taking a drug to assist her in coping, although, I don't recall her admitting in LE interviews to taking any prescribed medications prior to the murder; however, I do believe she was seeing a therapist before the murder. Isn't that correct?

OMO
When Kolar was asked (Dec. 2012 Interview w/Tricia) whether Patsy & Burke were seeing therapists prior to JonBenet's murder he replied, "No, that was subsequent to...", so after Dec. 26th, 1996.
 
  • #107
When Kolar was asked (Dec. 2012 Interview w/Tricia) whether Patsy & Burke were seeing therapists prior to JonBenet's murder he replied, "No, that was subsequent to...", so after Dec. 26th, 1996.

Well, that could be possible only in JRs interview he admits that Burke's psychiatrist is who prescribed the medication that he needed immediately following the murder.
 
  • #108
Well, that could be possible only in JRs interview he admits that Burke's psychiatrist is who prescribed the medication that he needed immediately following the murder.
BBM
Which interview? I don't recall having read this same info...

From day 1 of JR's 1998 Interview:
"6 LOU SMIT: Okay. Are you under, taking any

7 medication?

8 JOHN RAMSEY: Taking Prozac.

9 LOU SMIT: Okay.

10 JOHN RAMSEY: Twenty milligrams in the

11 morning, ten milligrams at night.

12 LOU SMIT: Okay. And who is the doctor?

13 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, Dr. Sheevy, Catherine

14 Sheevy, is who I saw in Boulder. Well I haven't

15 seen her in a while. Steven Jaffee, Dr. Steven

16 Jaffee in Atlanta, prescribed the Prozac for me.

17 LOU SMIT: Okay.

18 JOHN RAMSEY: He's actually Burke's

19 psychiatrist."
 
  • #109
I was reading over this thread from FFJ- The Glenn McNeill Case: Status: Def...w.dcourier.com/main.asp?Typ...ionID=1&Page=3


And just wanted to bring over some parts from a post cynic made:

The Glenn McNeill Case:
Status: Defendant successfully prosecuted and currently in prison
Type of Case: Homicide, circumstantial
DNA: Analysis of Miss Patton's underwear found evidence of a mixed DNA profile from two females. Unidentified female DNA under Patton's fingernails and on her shorts and underpants…

The murder case of Janelle Patton clearly illustrates that matching DNA in three locations can have an innocent explanation and have no bearing, whatsoever, on the prosecution of the case. The DNA of the man who committed the crime (McNeill) was not found on the body of the victim.
McNeill was arrested in February and charged with murdering Janelle Patton, whose death was the first murder recorded on the self-governing island in 150 years.
The body of the 29-year-old was found wrapped in plastic at a picnic spot on Easter Sunday 2002.
Forensic evidence presented at a hearing into the murder of Janelle Patton on Norfolk Island has shown no DNA link to the New Zealand man accused of killing her.
The court has heard expert testimony from scientists who tested Miss Patton's clothing for DNA traces. Of more than 100 samples, they were unable to find the accused's profile on any of them.
Analysis of Miss Patton's underwear found evidence of a mixed DNA profile from two females.
Unidentified female DNA under Patton's fingernails and on her shorts and underpants, coupled with the ferocity of the attack, suggested motives such as "jealousy, rage, anger and revenge" –– emotions that could be felt only by someone who, unlike McNeill, knew Patton, the defense lawyer claimed.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/news/artic...220&ref=imthis

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/t...-1111113128516
McNeill was primarily convicted on the basis of fingerprint evidence and his confession.
A later appeal of the verdict was rejected.
The Janelle Patton case demonstrates that forensic evidence that doesn’t “fit” within the larger context of a case can be dismissed as evidence that must have an innocent explanation.

Part One
Janelle P 1 - YouTube

Part Two
Janelle P 2 - YouTube

Part Three
Janelle P 3 - YouTube

Part Four
Janelle P 4 - YouTube

The Steven DeMocker Case:
Status: Prosecution in progress
Type of Case: Homicide, circumstantial
DNA: DNA from 3 unidentified men found in 3 locations:
Under the fingernails of the victim’s left hand.
On the victim’s left hand
On a cell phone held by the victim.

Although the prosecution of DeMocker began with the DNA being of unknown origin, one profile (out of three unknown profiles) was later identified as contamination from a prior autopsy.
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...519issues.html

September 1, 2010
A scientist who works at a private laboratory testified Wednesday that Carol Kennedy had DNA from three unknown men underneath the fingernails of her left hand.
Alexis Brown, a supervisor at the Sorenson Forensic laboratory in Salt Lake City, Utah, told a jury in the murder trial for Kennedy's ex-husband, Steven DeMocker, that Kennedy also had DNA from three unknown males on her left hand itself.
In addition, Brown said, a cordless phone that her laboratory tested showed the DNA from three unidentified males. Tests found that the DNA had not come from DeMocker, she said. Kennedy was talking to her mother on the phone in the evening of July 2, 2008, when she suddenly exclaimed, "Oh, no," and the call ended. Her mother, Ruth Kennedy, became alarmed when she could not then reach her daughter and eventually called the Yavapai County Sheriff's Office. A deputy looked into a window of Carol Kennedy's Williamson Valley home and saw her body on the floor of a room she used as an office. A cordless phone lay nearby.
Brown said tests excluded DeMocker's DNA from the samples taken from Kennedy's hand, nails and the cell phone.
…
Previously, Dr. Philip Keene, who performed the autopsy on Kennedy, said the nail clippers he used to clip her nails were pulled from a drawer and might not have been sterile.
DeMocker, who voluntarily gave a statement to detectives the night of his former wife's death, said that he had been riding his mountain bike on trails near Granite Mountain at the time of her death. He offered to give them blood and DNA samples.
Det. Luis Huante, one of the initial investigators, testified that DeMocker aroused his suspicions when he came to Kennedy's Bridal Path house that evening after his younger daughter told him that her mother died. DeMocker asked Huante if he was a suspect. Also, Huante noted scratches on DeMocker's arms and legs that DeMocker said came from bushes along the trail.
…
http://www.dcourier.com/main.asp?Sec...=293&btnView=1

In September of 2010, the prosecution was pretty sure that the unidentified DNA that the defense was touting as DNA from the “real killer(s)” was the result of contamination. They were right.
6 months later the owner of the major DNA profile in the case was identified

March 21, 2011
DeMocker trial: Mystery DNA identified
Results support prosecution's nail clipper contamination theory

PRESCOTT - The DNA found on fingernail clippings of the victim in the murder trial of Steven C. DeMocker has been identified as being that of a man who may have died prior to or shortly after Carol Kennedy, according to documents obtained by the Courier.
The results may substantiate claims by the prosecution that the nail clippers used by the medical examiner were contaminated.
The prosecution in the DeMocker trial on Monday asked Judge Warren R. Darrow to order the Chino Valley Medical Center and the Yavapai Regional Medical Center to release the medical records of Ronald Lloyd Birman, who, the document said, "has been identified as the major donor of the DNA profile, previously unknown" by the Department of Public Safety's crime lab.
…
The Yavapai County Medical Examiner, Dr. Philip Keene, did an autopsy and determined Birman bled to death after an arterial graft failed.
DeMocker is accused of beating to death Kennedy, his ex-wife, on July 2, 2008.
…
The timing of the Birman's death will play a crucial role in DeMocker's retrial, as will the existence of DNA on Kennedy's body from what appears to be a totally unrelated person, which may point to contamination at Keene's office, as previously reported in the Courier.
Kennedy's fingernail contained DNA from three people, one "major" profile and two "minor" profiles. The DNA test results are believed to refer to the "major" profile, according to testimony quoted in the Courier.
On Aug. 24, 2010, Dr. Keene testified under examination by Deputy County Attorney Joseph C. Butner III that the clippers used to trim Kennedy's nails for evidence had not been sterilized.
The prosecution says in the motion that it wants to "corroborate the findings of the DPS crime lab."
Because a gag order has been imposed on the trial, neither side was able to speak about the motion or the identification made by DPS.
Scott Orr, The Daily Courier
http://www.dcourier.com/main.asp?Typ...ionID=1&Page=3



BBM. Wow.
 
  • #110
Coming to a decision based only on one piece of evidence is a slippery slope.

Here's an excerpt (BBM) from http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100317/full/464347a.html :

" Allan Jamieson, director of the Forensic Institute in Glasgow, which provides forensic-science services to UK police forces. Jamieson, who gave evidence in the Reed brothers' and the Omagh bombing trials, says that the forensics community must validate procedures and further investigate the issues that low-copy-number profiling has brought to light, before scientists and courtrooms can have confidence in the results. "The public does not understand that just because your DNA is on an object it does not mean you have touched it," he says. A point of contention in the Reeds' case was whether the Reeds had ever come in direct contact with the plastic knife handles, or whether they might have transferred DNA indirectly through someone else's touch, or, say, by sneezing."



The above source is a respected science journal.
 
  • #111
I was reading over this thread from FFJ- The Glenn McNeill Case: Status: De....dcourier.com/main.asp?Typ...ionID=1&Page=3


And just wanted to bring over some parts from a post cynic made:

The Glenn McNeill Case:
Status: Defendant successfully prosecuted and currently in prison
Type of Case: Homicide, circumstantial
DNA: Analysis of Miss Patton's underwear found evidence of a mixed DNA profile from two females. Unidentified female DNA under Patton's fingernails and on her shorts and underpants…

The murder case of Janelle Patton clearly illustrates that matching DNA in three locations can have an innocent explanation and have no bearing, whatsoever, on the prosecution of the case. The DNA of the man who committed the crime (McNeill) was not found on the body of the victim.
McNeill was arrested in February and charged with murdering Janelle Patton, whose death was the first murder recorded on the self-governing island in 150 years.
The body of the 29-year-old was found wrapped in plastic at a picnic spot on Easter Sunday 2002.
Forensic evidence presented at a hearing into the murder of Janelle Patton on Norfolk Island has shown no DNA link to the New Zealand man accused of killing her.
The court has heard expert testimony from scientists who tested Miss Patton's clothing for DNA traces. Of more than 100 samples, they were unable to find the accused's profile on any of them.
Analysis of Miss Patton's underwear found evidence of a mixed DNA profile from two females.
Unidentified female DNA under Patton's fingernails and on her shorts and underpants, coupled with the ferocity of the attack, suggested motives such as "jealousy, rage, anger and revenge" –– emotions that could be felt only by someone who, unlike McNeill, knew Patton, the defense lawyer claimed.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/news/artic...220&ref=imthis

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/t...-1111113128516
McNeill was primarily convicted on the basis of fingerprint evidence and his confession.
A later appeal of the verdict was rejected.
The Janelle Patton case demonstrates that forensic evidence that doesn’t “fit” within the larger context of a case can be dismissed as evidence that must have an innocent explanation.

Part One
Janelle P 1 - YouTube

Part Two
Janelle P 2 - YouTube

Part Three
Janelle P 3 - YouTube

Part Four
Janelle P 4 - YouTube

The Steven DeMocker Case:
Status: Prosecution in progress
Type of Case: Homicide, circumstantial
DNA: DNA from 3 unidentified men found in 3 locations:
Under the fingernails of the victim’s left hand.
On the victim’s left hand
On a cell phone held by the victim.

Although the prosecution of DeMocker began with the DNA being of unknown origin, one profile (out of three unknown profiles) was later identified as contamination from a prior autopsy.
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...519issues.html

September 1, 2010
A scientist who works at a private laboratory testified Wednesday that Carol Kennedy had DNA from three unknown men underneath the fingernails of her left hand.
Alexis Brown, a supervisor at the Sorenson Forensic laboratory in Salt Lake City, Utah, told a jury in the murder trial for Kennedy's ex-husband, Steven DeMocker, that Kennedy also had DNA from three unknown males on her left hand itself.
In addition, Brown said, a cordless phone that her laboratory tested showed the DNA from three unidentified males. Tests found that the DNA had not come from DeMocker, she said. Kennedy was talking to her mother on the phone in the evening of July 2, 2008, when she suddenly exclaimed, "Oh, no," and the call ended. Her mother, Ruth Kennedy, became alarmed when she could not then reach her daughter and eventually called the Yavapai County Sheriff's Office. A deputy looked into a window of Carol Kennedy's Williamson Valley home and saw her body on the floor of a room she used as an office. A cordless phone lay nearby.
Brown said tests excluded DeMocker's DNA from the samples taken from Kennedy's hand, nails and the cell phone.
…
Previously, Dr. Philip Keene, who performed the autopsy on Kennedy, said the nail clippers he used to clip her nails were pulled from a drawer and might not have been sterile.
DeMocker, who voluntarily gave a statement to detectives the night of his former wife's death, said that he had been riding his mountain bike on trails near Granite Mountain at the time of her death. He offered to give them blood and DNA samples.
Det. Luis Huante, one of the initial investigators, testified that DeMocker aroused his suspicions when he came to Kennedy's Bridal Path house that evening after his younger daughter told him that her mother died. DeMocker asked Huante if he was a suspect. Also, Huante noted scratches on DeMocker's arms and legs that DeMocker said came from bushes along the trail.
…
http://www.dcourier.com/main.asp?Sec...=293&btnView=1

In September of 2010, the prosecution was pretty sure that the unidentified DNA that the defense was touting as DNA from the “real killer(s)” was the result of contamination. They were right.
6 months later the owner of the major DNA profile in the case was identified

March 21, 2011
DeMocker trial: Mystery DNA identified
Results support prosecution's nail clipper contamination theory

PRESCOTT - The DNA found on fingernail clippings of the victim in the murder trial of Steven C. DeMocker has been identified as being that of a man who may have died prior to or shortly after Carol Kennedy, according to documents obtained by the Courier.
The results may substantiate claims by the prosecution that the nail clippers used by the medical examiner were contaminated.
The prosecution in the DeMocker trial on Monday asked Judge Warren R. Darrow to order the Chino Valley Medical Center and the Yavapai Regional Medical Center to release the medical records of Ronald Lloyd Birman, who, the document said, "has been identified as the major donor of the DNA profile, previously unknown" by the Department of Public Safety's crime lab.
…
The Yavapai County Medical Examiner, Dr. Philip Keene, did an autopsy and determined Birman bled to death after an arterial graft failed.
DeMocker is accused of beating to death Kennedy, his ex-wife, on July 2, 2008.
…
The timing of the Birman's death will play a crucial role in DeMocker's retrial, as will the existence of DNA on Kennedy's body from what appears to be a totally unrelated person, which may point to contamination at Keene's office, as previously reported in the Courier.
Kennedy's fingernail contained DNA from three people, one "major" profile and two "minor" profiles. The DNA test results are believed to refer to the "major" profile, according to testimony quoted in the Courier.
On Aug. 24, 2010, Dr. Keene testified under examination by Deputy County Attorney Joseph C. Butner III that the clippers used to trim Kennedy's nails for evidence had not been sterilized.
The prosecution says in the motion that it wants to "corroborate the findings of the DPS crime lab."
Because a gag order has been imposed on the trial, neither side was able to speak about the motion or the identification made by DPS.
Scott Orr, The Daily Courier
http://www.dcourier.com/main.asp?Typ...ionID=1&Page=3



BBM. Wow.

Thanks for this Venon.
...

AK
 
  • #112
The Glenn McNeill Case isn’t quite what it seems. One of the jurors has been quoted as saying, "We know he didn't do it, but know who did. He (McNeill) wouldn't tell us, so we decided to slot him." http://tinyurl.com/n8muzdg

Supposedly, McNeill “has revealed the names of a drug-dealing couple who he alleges were responsible for her murder.” So, does any of that DNA match either of these named people? Who knows? http://tinyurl.com/kvrq4vn

It is absolutely true that DNA can have innocent explanations, and that it is not always connected to the crime. In the Steven DeMocker Case at least one of the DNA samples was the result of contamination. Contamination happens, but it is almost always found out, and it is found out because of protocols set in place to control for such events. If the DNA in the Jonbenet case was from contamination than we would know, just as they knew in the DeMocker case and the Chandra Levy case, etc.

If Kolar’s description of the DNA is accurate, than at least some of the unsourced DNA is going to be from innocent transfer – the fingernail DNA, possibly the DNA found on the ligatures. But, the CODIS sample and the matching tDNA? It’s pretty hard to find a reasonable and likely innocent explanation for that.
...

AK
 
  • #113
I’m not very familiar with either the DeMocker case or the McNeill case; but, it doesn’t seem that either case is an example of one in which DNA would necessarily be of import. And, I’m not sure that either case is comparable to the Jonbenet case.

In the McNeill case DNA was found in the panties of the victim, but the victim was not sexually assaulted so there is no reason to think that any DNA found there would or should be related to the crime. This is very much different from the Jonbenet case. In the Jonbenet case, because she was sexually assaulted, we know that the killer handled her leggings and her panties. So, we can expect to find his DNA there.

In the DeMocker case it’s difficult to know how DNA could have assisted in any prosecution (or exoneration) of a suspect. No murder weapon and no sexual assault. DeMocker seems to have been convicted on little, but he was deemed to have and a motive and that probably helped to do him in.

There was DNA mixed in the victim’s blood found on a door knob, but the DNA was from a house guest/tenant who probably had touched that door know on several occasions. I have no idea how the blood got on the door knob. Interestingly, after the murder the house guest/tenant, who had some kind of relationship with the murder victim, supposedly committed suicide sometime after the murder.
...

AK
 
  • #114
Coming to a decision based only on one piece of evidence is a slippery slope.

Here's an excerpt (BBM) from http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100317/full/464347a.html :

" Allan Jamieson, director of the Forensic Institute in Glasgow, which provides forensic-science services to UK police forces. Jamieson, who gave evidence in the Reed brothers' and the Omagh bombing trials, says that the forensics community must validate procedures and further investigate the issues that low-copy-number profiling has brought to light, before scientists and courtrooms can have confidence in the results. "The public does not understand that just because your DNA is on an object it does not mean you have touched it," he says. A point of contention in the Reeds' case was whether the Reeds had ever come in direct contact with the plastic knife handles, or whether they might have transferred DNA indirectly through someone else's touch, or, say, by sneezing."



The above source is a respected science journal.
This article is about low copy number DNA. The DNA in the Ramsey case is not LCN. The article is not relevant to the Ramsey case.
 
  • #115
Not quite so. Some of the dna in this case was LCN.

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67340"]Low copy number (LCN) DNA = Ramsey's far from cleared - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]
 
  • #116
  • #117
The DNA matters. It always matters. It includes, it excludes, it pinpoints. It always matters..

Well unless it is the Ramsey case then it is manipulated and ridiculously discarded even though the FBI found the sample valid for CODIS.

The DNA is the one thing that truly stands in the way of RDI. People want to hate the r's. That is fine but you can not use the DNA to say they did it. Because the DNA says they didn't. It is that simple. IMO
 
  • #118
The DNA matters. It always matters. It includes, it excludes, it pinpoints. It always matters..

Well unless it is the Ramsey case then it is manipulated and ridiculously discarded even though the FBI found the sample valid for CODIS.

The DNA is the one thing that truly stands in the way of RDI. People want to hate the r's. That is fine but you can not use the DNA to say they did it. Because the DNA says they didn't. It is that simple. IMO


The DNA says no such thing until it's been sourced and proven to be the perpetrator.



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  • #119
The DNA says no such thing until it's been sourced and proven to be the perpetrator.



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Yes it does. It says it is not a Ramsey. That is plain. That is the issue. If it was inconclusive that would be one thing but it is not. The DNA has excluded many people in this case and everyone accepts that but for some reason will not accept that the same dna excludes the Ramseys.

IT really is easy and clear. It can not be played both ways. If it is accepted that DNA clears everyone else, Than it also indeed clears the Ramseys.
 
  • #120
Yes it does. It says it is not a Ramsey. That is plain. That is the issue. If it was inconclusive that would be one thing but it is not. The DNA has excluded many people in this case and everyone accepts that but for some reason will not accept that the same dna excludes the Ramseys.



IT really is easy and clear. It can not be played both ways. If it is accepted that DNA clears everyone else, Than it also indeed clears the Ramseys.


I don't believe the DNA cleared anyone. DNA didn't clear John mark Karr regardless of what Lacy said. Old fashioned actual police work did.
IMO it is not now nor ever a DNA case.

We have no idea whose unsourced DNA is present or how it got there. There certainly weren't SIX individuals in the basement killing JonBenet.


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