Why This Case Will Soon Go Cold Again...

[LINative13]

Cause half the island is hooked on Roxicet.

Maybe the nursery man really was him?????

 

[Justiceforever]

Cause half the island is hooked on Roxicet.

Maybe the nursery man really was him?????

Or like Hawkshaw (I think it was) suggested he is the patsy. Didn't he shoot himself though? If SCPD really believe what Preciousdust said, then they wouldn't bother to put much effort into solving it. Certainly makes their job easier I would think.

 

[mysterymom7]

A source who speaks with SCPD all the time told me a few months back that law enforcement feels the killer is likely either in prison or dead from a drug overdose.

More like... moved out of the state May of this year... to a neighborhood on the Gulf of Mexico overlooking the bay... much like his home was like in NY.

 

[truthspider]

A source who speaks with SCPD all the time told me a few months back that law enforcement feels the killer is likely either in prison or dead from a drug overdose.

Maybe they interviewed a POI and were like oh jesus this guy is a human garbage disposal for pharmaceuticals, he'll be dead before the trial, it....

 

[CriminalMinds]

Other than the work some sleuthers are doing to get the 911 call released not much is happening again.

I have a couple questions that I do not know the answers too, and I was hoping somebody might have some ideas.

We all assume there is a serial killer involved whom we call LISK. It appears that this serial killer has stopped killing. As far as I understand he has not killed for at least two years.

Question #1, Is it typical of serial killers to stop unless they are in jail, or caught?
I was under the impression they just continue killing until they are stopped.

Question #2, Disregarding SG's death, I believe the other ten bodies found had been dead for many months or years. Therefore if we disregard SG's death as part of the mix, it is possible that the LISK has not been active for years. Does that make sense?

MOO

1)sk's quite often experience a cooling off period that can last months to even years(even a decade like BTK)---seems generally the cooling off period is the result of the removal or lack of a powerful emotional trigger, which enables their suppression(although "temporary") of their most primal urge(s)--what say you on this, P Brendt?
2)(disregarding sg)+ if we assume manorville is separate from gb4, it is likely they are in a lull period, or still in a slow kill rate mode since that is common amongst many torso killers--but again, i would also ask PB his input on that also

 

[Justiceforever]

God help us all! Just the fact that this type of barbaric behavior is common enough to have coined a term for it "torso killer" is repulsive!

 

[Theforeigner]

Other than the work some sleuthers are doing to get the 911 call released not much is happening again.

I have a couple questions that I do not know the answers too, and I was hoping somebody might have some ideas.

We all assume there is a serial killer involved whom we call LISK. It appears that this serial killer has stopped killing. As far as I understand he has not killed for at least two years.

Question #1, Is it typical of serial killers to stop unless they are in jail, or caught?
I was under the impression they just continue killing until they are stopped.

Question #2, Disregarding SG's death, I believe the other ten bodies found had been dead for many months or years. Therefore if we disregard SG's death as part of the mix, it is possible that the LISK has not been active for years. Does that make sense?

MOO

Maybe he hasen´t killed the last 2 years because he knows he is a LISK POI and is beeing watched by LE and others?

 

[truthspider]

moved out of the state may of this year... To a neighborhood on the gulf of mexico overlooking the bay... Much like his home was like in ny.

the boy runs like a wounded dog, cuz he's a twisted coward!
He dresses up like the police, then he runs like a thief!!!
Just like in nineteen ninety one, he hurt two kids and had to run!

 

[LINative13]

The Urge to Kill:
Would the possibility of police activity stop a serial killer from killing? The killing act itself is addictive to them (correct me if I am wrong). Adddiction is more powerful than the law.

 

[Justiceforever]

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/serial-murder#disablemobile

**myth: serial killers can't stop killing**

It has been widely believed that once serial killers start killing, they cannot stop. There are, however, some serial killers who stop murdering altogether before being caught. In these instances, there are events or circumstances in offenders’ lives that inhibit them from pursuing more victims. These can include increased participation in family activities, sexual substitution, and other diversions.
• BTK killer, Dennis Rader, murdered ten victims from 1974 to 1991. He did not kill any other victims prior to being captured in 2005. During interviews conducted by law enforcement, Rader admitted to engaging in auto-erotic activities as a substitute for his killings.

 

[WINDSOR]

Interesting points of view put forward.

If the SCPD think the LISK is dead or in jail why do they not make an announcement to that effect, then we can stop beating on the SCPD.

If the LISK has stopped because LE is watching him closely and he is aware of that fact, possibly pressure will build up on the LISK to out smart LE.

If Truthspider's POI is the LISK, and is being watched closely, his movement to Florida makes some sense, but if SCPD believe the LISK is dead, then they will not be watching CPH.

Remember thousands of people move to Florida every year.

If LE is watching CPH, has CPH figured it out? If CPH is the LISK we have to assume that he senses he is being watched. If on the other hand if he acts like he is not watched, or acts if he does not care if he is being watched then he likely is not the LISK

What are the differences in behaviors between a person who is concerned that he is being watched by LE and one who is not concerned?

If we can recognize these difference then we will know.

An innocent man would behave this way .......


A man who expected to be watched would behave this way......




My driving style is different when a police car is behind me. If I have committed a crime I would tend to avoid interaction with LE, and be very strict in ensuring my legal rights were protected. I would tend to avoid contact with others, not trusting that some stranger might be undercover. I would keep a very low profile, no letters to the editors, no presentations to public bodies, no involvement in community activity.

Other than his movement to Florida, has anybody seen anything that may lead one to believe that CPH is more careful than before?

MOO

 

[mysterymom7]

Interesting points of view put forward.

If the SCPD think the LISK is dead or in jail why do they not make an announcement to that effect, then we can stop beating on the SCPD.

If the LISK has stopped because LE is watching him closely and he is aware of that fact, possibly pressure will build up on the LISK to out smart LE.

If Truthspider's POI is the LISK, and is being watched closely, his movement to Florida makes some sense, but if SCPD believe the LISK is dead, then they will not be watching CPH.

Remember thousands of people move to Florida every year.

If LE is watching CPH, has CPH figured it out? If CPH is the LISK we have to assume that he senses he is being watched. If on the other hand if he acts like he is not watched, or acts if he does not care if he is being watched then he likely is not the LISK

What are the differences in behaviors between a person who is concerned that he is being watched by LE and one who is not concerned?

If we can recognize these difference then we will know.

An innocent man would behave this way .......


A man who expected to be watched would behave this way......




My driving style is different when a police car is behind me. If I have committed a crime I would tend to avoid interaction with LE, and be very strict in ensuring my legal rights were protected. I would tend to avoid contact with others, not trusting that some stranger might be undercover. I would keep a very low profile, no letters to the editors, no presentations to public bodies, no involvement in community activity.

Other than his movement to Florida, has anybody seen anything that may lead one to believe that CPH is more careful than before?

MOO

You have to understand, you're thinking logically. SK's are very much about power and control. The behavior of a SK is different than a spree killer, or someone who killed a spouse. They lack remorse.

IMO, the "controlling" aspect in this case is the phone calls, much like BTK sent letters to news organizations and called in tips to police where to find a body. If CPH is the LISK, it would make sense that he would call families. I believe the taunting of his victim's family was part of that control. The phone calls to Mari was his way of gaining control of the situation he had on his hand... people were asking questions about this missing person in the first week. His call to Mari was his way of trying to get people to back off searching for her, "I treated her, then sent her on her way with MP, so she's not around here, go look somewhere else..." I also believe he felt in control when he got the girls to LEAVE their phones behind. I also lean towards believing the "tip" where SG's body may be came from him. It had been a year and a half and Dormer announced the day before that no new searches were planned. What coincidence they received a "tip". Now almost 2 years later, he probably believes he's not being watched, but has the urge to kill again... so he moves to a place where nobody knows him or the public perception of him... so he can resume killing.

He wasn't going to take the chance of getting caught. SK's believe they have "fooled" police. So would they not speak to anyone? Not likely, they are more prone to insert themselves in to find out what is known, and to control the situation. (Again, another reason he called Mari, and wrote to CBS, IMO.)

He has stopped talking since the letters to CBS, as far as I can see. It's time for him to move on so he can resume killing without taking too big of a risk getting caught. IMO

 

[Justiceforever]

CPH's house was searched ( I think I remember reading that and he complained because was allergic to dogs but he still let them in. Please correct me if I'm wrong) but I was wondering if they searched his computer and if not, WHY NOT?

 

[Justiceforever]

It very well might be that he has killed again but his victim/have yet to be found. Does anyone think that he wanted his victims to be found? Is that part of his M.O.?

 

[LINative13]

CPH has put up every roadblock he can in the legal system. JB on the other hand....cooperated completely. So the guy down the block who inserted himself into the investigation is not cooperating as much as the guy whose house she was partying at. Thats kind of strange in itself? Wouldn't you think it would be the opposite?

 

[mysterymom7]

It very well might be that he has killed again but his victim/have yet to be found. Does anyone think that he wanted his victims to be found? Is that part of his M.O.?

IMO, the LISK is the same as Manorville.

With that opinion, the following is my theory...

When he dismembered, the most distinguishing features he disposed of in a remote location. The torsos were left in a state park with public access. IMO, he did want the torsos to be found. With the others, because there was no dismemberment, he would have to wait until the body was decomposed to bone... it would be harder to get evidence... so he had to put them in a more remote location. I think at first, he dumped their bodies immediately (Asian man, mother/child). I think that because the jewelry still on the mother/child and the clothes on the Asian man. I think the reason he killed the child (because the wrapping in the blanket suggests some remorse) is to spare her life without a mother. It doesn't make logical sense to "normal" people, but to a SK, that could possibly be the thought process.

I think he evolved and then held on to the bodies longer (which is why he used burlap... to carry the bones).

I think he liked dismembering best, since he took the most "care" in concealing and leaving his "work" displayed. I think Fire Island legs was his first mistake, but he got lucky, and that probably thrilled him more. I think the dismemberment "satisfied" him for longer periods of time. After 2003, he stopped dismembering, and his kills became closer together. I would imagine, in his personal life, there was a significant change in his routine. Maybe his wife or kids kept closer tabs on him or he stopped working (then didn't have an excuse to be gone long periods of time).

The above is based on MOO.

 

[Justiceforever]

Did you read the news? About the cop arrested? What do you think? I started a thread to talk about it. Does anybody think this might be the killer?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/interactive/2012/10/25/criminal-charges-against-alleged-cannibal-cop/

 

[LINative13]

No, they never said anything about GB4 missing body parts.

 

[Samantha Spade]

Did you read the news? About the cop arrested? What do you think? I started a thread to talk about it. Does anybody think this might be the killer?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/interactive/2012/10/25/criminal-charges-against-alleged-cannibal-cop/

Justice, I do think it is possible that there may be less than six degrees of separation between this fruitloop and the monster or monsters responsible for killing the other women. Maybe there's some twisted subculture into this sort of thing, like a club for sexual deviants along the same lines as a rotary club or the moose.

 

[Justiceforever]

Justice, I do think it is possible that there may be less than six degrees of separation between this fruitloop and the monster or monsters responsible for killing the other women. Maybe there's some twisted subculture into this sort of thing, like a club for sexual deviants along the same lines as a rotary club or the moose.

That's what I was thinking. It's not too far fetched to think he was providing women to a SK. Much the way some think MP provided women to Oakbeach residents. Same theory...different people. I don't know how to cross post this and I don't want to litter Seaslugs thread with this disscusion. Can a moderater move these over to the breaking news thread? Please?